Ray's ankle may be an issue this season

[guava_wrench]

One of the reasons I wasn't too worried about Ray leaving was that he seemed to be having trouble staying healthy for a full season.  By the playoffs he seemed run-down and hobbled more often than not.  The ankle was a big part of that. 

  I think people would have been a lot less concerned about Ray leaving at the time if Bradley were healty, or possibly even if Lee were under contract. We were pretty high and dry at the time.

Good point. If we had the other options ready to go, people would have said, 'nice knowing you'. Fortunately, it didn't drag on long, giving us time to put a team together that shouldn't miss his presence.

[guava_wrench]

One of the reasons I wasn't too worried about Ray leaving was that he seemed to be having trouble staying healthy for a full season.  By the playoffs he seemed run-down and hobbled more often than not.  The ankle was a big part of that. 

Playing for the Heat though, he'll be doing a lot more spotting up - it'll probably be less strenuous on him.  But I wouldn't be surprised if he starts a lot better than he finishes this year.

Good point. Our offense taxed his sketchy ankles. Waiting for a Lebron or Wade kickout when the defense collapses on them is far less strenuous.

He also might be thinking about legacy. A few more titles would make his HOF resume overwhelming.

[fairweatherfan]

One of the reasons I wasn't too worried about Ray leaving was that he seemed to be having trouble staying healthy for a full season.  By the playoffs he seemed run-down and hobbled more often than not.  The ankle was a big part of that. 

  I think people would have been a lot less concerned about Ray leaving at the time if Bradley were healty, or possibly even if Lee were under contract. We were pretty high and dry at the time.

We did have Terry locked in by then, but sure, I can respect that.  Replacing Ray was always the major second part of the issue.  But in my opinion I didn't think Ray at his age was likely to be at his best when we needed him to be.

[Interceptor]

We did have Terry locked in by then, but sure, I can respect that.  Replacing Ray was always the major second part of the issue.  But in my opinion I didn't think Ray at his age was likely to be at his best when we needed him to be.

Terry was never supposed to be an Allen replacement, though, if reports are to be believed. The lead bleeds of the bench had to be attacked from both ends: KG (defense), and Rondo (offense). JET was the answer to the second thing. Having him as our starting two just exacerbates the original problem.

[fairweatherfan]

We did have Terry locked in by then, but sure, I can respect that.  Replacing Ray was always the major second part of the issue.  But in my opinion I didn't think Ray at his age was likely to be at his best when we needed him to be.

Terry was never supposed to be an Allen replacement, though, if reports are to be believed. The lead bleeds of the bench had to be attacked from both ends: KG (defense), and Rondo (offense). JET was the answer to the second thing. Having him as our starting two just exacerbates the original problem.

I agree, I was trying to say that in my answer - we had Terry but replacing Ray was always a major part of the equation.  But Terry did help with our backcourt scoring, which was something we leaned heavily on Ray for. 

And Ray wasn't our starting two towards the end either - he came off the bench til Bradley went down.  So Terry will be playing a somewhat similar role.

[angryguy77]

Let's keep the ill will wishing to ourselves. We're better than this.
We don't need to wish him a speedy recovery or feel bad for him, but we should show a little class.

The dislike is understandable, but wishing injury on Ray is not.

Are people wishing injury, or just that he is trying to play past his time? Bodies give out on the greats who try to play forever. Some fans are just happy to have it happen now rather than in 3 years. His ankles are his ankles. They are already defective.

I've seen a few posts saying they're happy.
It's not that I'm wishing him success, I hope he fails big this year because of what he did and who he plays for, but I don't wish for him to be injured.

There's a fine line between being happy for another team's misfortune, and wishing injury. Ray is not a dirty player, he doesn't try to injure others or take cheap shots. He may have given the org the finger, but he doesn't deserve this.

If anyone deserves this type of ill will, it's Wade.


 

[AshyLarry]

i like ray and he should be here but
even if his ankle was 100% his shootin ~even tho deadly when he is hot~ has fallen off

Yeah. But when you mention his shot's fallen off, you gotta think that it's still the one aspect of his game that's fallen off the least.

And that says a lot.

[relja]

Maybe whoever is guarding him can slide a foot under Ray Allen so that he lands awkwardly after a jumpshot.

Sign Bruce Bowen.

[CelticHooligan3]

I didn't label any poster, or call anybody out by name.

Seems like a distinction without a difference to me. Why should it suddenly not matter if the statement is weasel-worded? It's still inflammatory, isn't it?

Anyway, I find your reaction a little bit ironic. While I agree that people wishing harm on Judas are going too far, your "end up miserable" wish is basically what the jilted Ray fans project at him. I'd think that this would give you some sympathy for where people are coming from, even if they are out of line, because it's fundamentally the same emotion. You're frustrated at Ray haters and want him to rub it in their faces, Ray haters are frustrated at Ray and want every corner three to hit the side of the backboard.

The whole Allen situation is all about the dog that didn't bark. There are basically four kinds of people here:

1) Those that are thankful to Allen for a championship, and five good years on the team.
2) Those who consider him a traitor for leaving under the circumstances that he did.
3) Allen apologists who dress down group #2 for calling Allen out.
4) Allen haters who mock group #1 for appreciating Allen's contributions.

Just kidding, nobody from group #4 actually exists. This is entirely a one-way feud on the part of the apologists. I think that Allen is a scumbag, but I don't care to argue or disagree with people who want to thank him for the good things that he did, either for the team or various charities in the area.

Yet I have to deal with people constantly implying all sorts of unsavory things about me on the subject of Ray Allen.

This pretty much sums it up for me. Thank you Interceptor. TP. You said it in a way i couldnt clearly illustrate.

Also i wish no injury on anyone. I hate how ray showed us up but id never go as far to wish him an injury or anything to that type of ridiulous extent.

Im just tired of people looking down their noses at those of us like myself who are really pee'd off about how he left and the manner in which he did.

[SHAQATTACK]

i like ray and he should be here but
even if his ankle was 100% his shootin ~even tho deadly when he is hot~ has fallen off

True, Ray has slowed down a step bad ankle or not.  Rondo walking the ball up court standing around waitng all day for Ray Allen to get open was just  KILLING US , we had ZERO offensive push or flow when Allen and that statue O'NEAL was playing.  Me and everybody else were falling asleep.

Ray WILL hit some big shots against ALOT LESSER TEAMS , with poor defense.

I personally think , the HEAT are a run and gun team, they need the chaos and breakaway buckets to win games against quality teams.

Frankly other than a last sec shot situation,  Ray Allen will be lost in the Heats breakneck paced game Wade and Lebron want to play.

Ray used to say he need LOT OF TOUCHS to score where is he gonna get them with Wade and Lebron hogging the ball. 

Rays damage to other teams will be  from the corners , he'll just set up house there and wait for people to slack off him.

Ray is 37 with bad ankles , I just don't see him putting up numbers like he could 10 years ago or 5 for that matter. 

Father time will take care of Ray .

[Big Rondo]

Roy really embarrassed himself in this thread. How can a moderator say those kinds of thing and then try to justify himself on top it? 

Pot-Kettle-Black is darn right. Ugly ugly stuff from someone who's supposed to know better 

[2short]

Roy really embarrassed himself in this thread. How can a moderator say those kinds of thing and then try to justify himself on top it? 

Pot-Kettle-Black is darn right. Ugly ugly stuff from someone who's supposed to know better 

I think his point is that hoping someone gets hurt is (insert words) .  I don't wish ray allen any ill will, I don't like what he did in leaving the celtics but appreciate what he did when he was here.  Maybe he is a bit spoiled compared to others but I have followed ray since uconn and he has always been a classy guy through many different jerseys.
Of course roy wanting to cheer with laker or heat fans  instead of bad boston fans...can't go with that one.

[Roy H.]

Roy really embarrassed himself in this thread. How can a moderator say those kinds of thing and then try to justify himself on top it? 

Pot-Kettle-Black is darn right. Ugly ugly stuff from someone who's supposed to know better 

I'm not too worried about it.  If you feel as if you need to defend those who root for injury and who act ignorantly, boorishly, or with vitriol -- or if you feel like you yourself act in that manner and identify with that group -- then I'm not in the slightest upset to have offended you.

As I said in my original post and in the follow up, plenty of good fans are disappointed with Ray.  Only a small subset of those fans, however, act like entitled fake thugs.  To those people, I wish they'd become Knicks fans, because we don't need classless idiots in our fanbase.

Again, I didn't call out any poster, and I didn't call out people upset by Ray leaving.  I *did* call out the amorphous group of "fans" who act "entitled, ignorant, classless, boorish" and the "outright jerks, morons, meatheads and fake tough guys".  If you feel offended on behalf of people that meet those descriptions, perhaps you need to start hanging out with a better class of people.

[FatjohnReturns]

PLEASE stop with some of these posts on here - celebrating Ray's injury?

Seriously?

After Feb 19, 2009 and June 15, 2010 - I don't think we should be celebrating ANYONE's injuries....

Perk and KG going down probably cost BOS AT LEAST two rings.

Sorry but some of us aren't that "nice" and shouldn't be.  Nobody here is wishing him a serious injury but anything to make this guy realize he left a knife in our backs.  I really hope his run on the Heat is one big FAIL.  Call me heartless but that's the way it is

How can we forget all that he has done to make the Celtics relevant again? Seems like we've completely neglected the fact that Ray helped us raise 18, hit countless clutch baskets, and took a back seat for the development of Avery Bradley. The man did all he could for the Celtics and unfortunately we couldn't digress from developing Bradley and we brought in Jet. Ray had to go.

I don't want this to turn into a defending Ray's decision post. But I am just shocked at how people can hold a grudge against a player that has contributed so much to our team's success in the past 5 years, and extend it to the degree of wishing him bad health. He left to pursue a better opportunity. Does the single act of leaving for the Heat completely negate all the good he has done?

Please, do not rip on Ray anymore, because doing so makes us Celtics fans look like spoiled brats.

This post is accurate TP.
He was a free agent he made the decision he felt was best for him. The Celtics were phasing him out and he didnt want to continue. Whats the problem again? Just as the Celtic organization does whats best for the Celtics, Ray did he felt is best for himself, some Celtic fans just cant handle it.

Also count me in the group that is thankful to Ray for a all he has done for the franchise.
 

[MJohnnyboy]

I apologize if I gave people the wrong impression of what this thread was about.

My point was, "Well that's Miami's problem now!" I wasn't wishing anything bad towards Ray injury wise or taking shots at his legacy. I just felt like this would catch peoples' eye.