KG full no trade clause

[pearljammer10]

Saw this interesting blurb on hoops hype. Sorry if it is already known to most but it was news to me... Oh the terror of the dreaded dog days of boring summer basketball.

Mark Deeks: there are now three full no trade clauses in the NBA. Kevin Garnett is the third.

He goes on to say Duncan is actually the fourth. Kobe and maybe lebron the other two? So if anyone starts the mid season trade Garnett thread, we can kindly shut them down.

[bfrombleacher]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697401/christmas-contract-in-focus

There are some intriguing tidbits, including confirmation that Kevin Garnett's three-year contract extension included one of only four no-trade clauses in the league (Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, and Tim Duncan the others).

[j804]

Well deserved.

[Jon]

Well, so much for Danny's, "no one's untradeable" philosophy.

It's a good move.  As has been proven the past year or so, the market for the Big Three isn't what people thought it was.  We were never going to be able to trade KG for a major piece for the future.  And with the 6 million dollar buy out option (which is essentially what the third year has built in) Danny has flexibility if he really needs it. 

[Fafnir]

Well, so much for Danny's, "no one's untradeable" philosophy.

I don't think that's true, instead KG recognized that Danny would trade him if he thought it'd be best for the C's and made sure his agent took steps so that it couldn't happen without his consent.

[Fafnir]

Well deserved.

Yeah it is.

I'd rather not give no trade clauses out for sake of flexibility. But realistically give the deals Terry/Bass/Lee signed in addition to KG we're already locked in for a few more years.

[Chris]

Well deserved.

Yeah it is.

I'd rather not give no trade clauses out for sake of flexibility. But realistically give the deals Terry/Bass/Lee signed in addition to KG we're already locked in for a few more years.

Yeah.  And the thing is, KG is at a point in his career where he is likely going to retire before he gets traded.  And with his partial guarantee ($6 million) in year 3, and the stretch provision, basically you only have KG for 1 year after this, if things go south (then he would just be a $2 million cap hit each year after that if they cut him loose/he walks away).

[Interceptor]

If a no-trade is what it costs to retain KG, it's worth the price.

[Chris]

An interesting twist to this is whether Danny was willing to give Ray a no trade clause or not (I don't think the one sketchy report of it was enough to convince me he was).  If he wasn't, and Ray heard about KGs (which I am sure he would have), I have to imagine that would have been twisting the knife with him, and perhaps the last nail in the coffin. 

[CelticG1]

An interesting twist to this is whether Danny was willing to give Ray a no trade clause or not (I don't think the one sketchy report of it was enough to convince me he was).  If he wasn't, and Ray heard about KGs (which I am sure he would have), I have to imagine that would have been twisting the knife with him, and perhaps the last nail in the coffin.

First they offer me 12 mil now no trade clause....that's outta here!!

Seriously if that's true just another example of ray taking things personal, not realizing that it's a business. Ugh ray there are 4 guys that have no trade clauses get over it. You mist have one enormous ego if you think you have meant as much to this franchise, team, and city that KG has.


Also do you really think he even heard about this? Why would we have found this out now and Ray have known about it for.months?

[Chris]

An interesting twist to this is whether Danny was willing to give Ray a no trade clause or not (I don't think the one sketchy report of it was enough to convince me he was).  If he wasn't, and Ray heard about KGs (which I am sure he would have), I have to imagine that would have been twisting the knife with him, and perhaps the last nail in the coffin.

First they offer me 12 mil now no trade clause....that's outta here!!

Seriously if that's true just another example of ray taking things personal, not realizing that it's a business. Ugh ray there are 4 guys that have no trade clauses get over it. You mist have one enormous ego if you think you have meant as much to this franchise, team, and city that KG has.


Also do you really think he even heard about this? Why would we have found this out now and Ray have known about it for.months?

Yeah, I think he took it personally.  But I would also take it as a confirmation that if he stays in Boston, he would never be able to feel comfortable that he won't be traded.  Danny has reportedly tried multiple times over the last few years, and now he is refusing to give him a no trade clause, while he is giving it to someone else he has not reportedly tried to trade.

It's a business...but its also his life.  If I were him, I think the only way to take that is that they would try to trade him again if he resigned.  And I think he wanted to settle down some place and not have to worry about that every February.

[mgent]

I believe I heard we offered one to Ray too.  I think it's funny that they would get one and not Pierce, especially now that we heard comments about keeping his options open for the future.  Nobody other than Pierce, Duncan, Kobe, and Dirk has played with the same team for a full career (Ilgauskas didn't have a no-trade either but he didn't maintain the same production late in his career like Paul; besides he messed up that honor on his own).

[mgent]

An interesting twist to this is whether Danny was willing to give Ray a no trade clause or not (I don't think the one sketchy report of it was enough to convince me he was).  If he wasn't, and Ray heard about KGs (which I am sure he would have), I have to imagine that would have been twisting the knife with him, and perhaps the last nail in the coffin.

First they offer me 12 mil now no trade clause....that's outta here!!

Seriously if that's true just another example of ray taking things personal, not realizing that it's a business. Ugh ray there are 4 guys that have no trade clauses get over it. You mist have one enormous ego if you think you have meant as much to this franchise, team, and city that KG has.


Also do you really think he even heard about this? Why would we have found this out now and Ray have known about it for.months?

Yeah, I think he took it personally.  But I would also take it as a confirmation that if he stays in Boston, he would never be able to feel comfortable that he won't be traded.  Danny has reportedly tried multiple times over the last few years, and now he is refusing to give him a no trade clause, while he is giving it to someone else he has not reportedly tried to trade.

It's a business...but its also his life.  If I were him, I think the only way to take that is that they would try to trade him again if he resigned.  And I think he wanted to settle down some place and not have to worry about that every February.

I highly doubt that would have anything with him going to Miami.  Especially considering Miami is more likely to trade him than we would've been (they are better off at SG and have larger needs than us elsewhere).  I also have to believe Ray's value goes up significantly on a 3 mil contract as opposed to 6 mil.

[Chris]

An interesting twist to this is whether Danny was willing to give Ray a no trade clause or not (I don't think the one sketchy report of it was enough to convince me he was).  If he wasn't, and Ray heard about KGs (which I am sure he would have), I have to imagine that would have been twisting the knife with him, and perhaps the last nail in the coffin.

First they offer me 12 mil now no trade clause....that's outta here!!

Seriously if that's true just another example of ray taking things personal, not realizing that it's a business. Ugh ray there are 4 guys that have no trade clauses get over it. You mist have one enormous ego if you think you have meant as much to this franchise, team, and city that KG has.


Also do you really think he even heard about this? Why would we have found this out now and Ray have known about it for.months?

Yeah, I think he took it personally.  But I would also take it as a confirmation that if he stays in Boston, he would never be able to feel comfortable that he won't be traded.  Danny has reportedly tried multiple times over the last few years, and now he is refusing to give him a no trade clause, while he is giving it to someone else he has not reportedly tried to trade.

It's a business...but its also his life.  If I were him, I think the only way to take that is that they would try to trade him again if he resigned.  And I think he wanted to settle down some place and not have to worry about that every February.

I highly doubt that would have anything with him going to Miami.  Especially considering Miami is more likely to trade him than we would've been (they are better off at SG and have larger needs than us elsewhere).  I also have to believe Ray's value goes up significantly on a 3 mil contract as opposed to 6 mil.

I am not so sure about that.  The C's HAD tried to trade him.  And I would not be surprised if they told him they wouldn't trade him in Miami.  Remember, their selling point was that they respect their high profile players, which they were telling him he was one. 

But either way, it is just a theory.  And I can't imagine it felt good, if he was not offered a no trade, but KG was.  I know if I was in his position, I would not be pleased at all.  You can understand its a business all you want...but when it is your life they are dealing with, you take that stuff personally.

[BballTim]

Well, so much for Danny's, "no one's untradeable" philosophy.

I don't think that's true, instead KG recognized that Danny would trade him if he thought it'd be best for the C's and made sure his agent took steps so that it couldn't happen without his consent.

  KG signed for a hometown discount, I don't think he'd be happy being shipped off to another team because that contract makes him a better trade asset.