Ryan Anderson - Near-perfect fit for the Cs?

[syfy9]

 
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6142049

I would love for this trade to happen mid-season.

Jeff Green and Brandon Bass for Ryan Anderson and Jason Smith


Let me first say I notice many problems with the trade as well, primarily who our backup SF will be. Hopefully we can either go small and play Lee at the 3 or pick up another SF from the free agency. Another solution would be switching Jason Smith with Aminu or even Henry. Due to time management ATM, Jeff Green would be forced to play some 4, which is not his natural position. Anderson, however, is a pure PF who can play some SF depending on the match ups.

I really like Ryan Anderson, though. I first started following him when I drafted him for fantasy basketball, not expecting the reigning M.I.P to post such amazing numbers and lead the league in 3 pointers made. As a big man.

His success last season makes me feel like he would be a perfect fit for the Celtics. We would have to lose beloved Green's contract and Green, as well as the 2nd best mid-range shooter last year in Bass, but I feel like Anderson would put us over the top. Here's why -


1) That guy can shoot.



http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderry01.html

He averaged 16.1 PPG last season and led the league in 3 pointers made. Putting a great shooter like him with Rondo would stretch the floor all the way to the stadium entrance. He made 166 3 pointers in a 66 game season. Wowzers. He shot .393% for his 3 point percentage and is a good foul shooter at .877%.

You can say that he got open looks from Dwight Howard's double teams, but I'm sure that he'll get even MORE open looks playing with a premier point guard like Rondo. With whom would you have more open looks - Playing with Shaq, or playing with Nash?


2) Jason Smith is included.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smithja02.html

At first, I included him so that the numbers could work, but Jason Smith is actually a pretty good player who averaged a very good 10 PPG last season. He's a 7 footer with a good work ethic who is defensive minded and can improve under KG. He's also developing a nice mid range jumper, which will help with Rondo. He's a good finisher as well.


3a) Ryan Anderson can REBOUND THE BASKETBALL.



This is a HUGE point I want to make. Ryan Anderson is a good rebounder. Y'know? The thing we suck at nowadays? Howard was putting up monster numbers like he always does in the rebounding department, yet Anderson managed 7.7 rebounds. He's a better rebounder than either Green or Bass, and gives you decent size at 6'10. His PER36 minutes stats had him averaging 8.6 RPG last season as well as for his career. He's always been a good rebounder. Not dominant, but this would still be very helpful for the Celtics.

3b) Offensive Rebounding.

Anderson averaged 3.7 offensive boards per game and 4.0 defensive boards per game. This may have been because he was playing with Dwight (in the videos below, that wasn't really the case), but almost half your rebounds coming from offensive boards is a big + . I don't know how well he'll do in our system, but Red knows that the Celtics need to get better rebounders.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VIQv1UWz-M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZVJHfk_VYQ

[hardlyyardley]

Offensively a perfect fit....does he play "D" though.....don't remember him opening eyes on the defensive side of the court

[ausbacker]

Offensively a perfect fit....does he play "D" though.....don't remember him opening eyes on the defensive side of the court

It's a trade I would hate to see. Anderson cannot defend if his life depended on it. It makes no sense for a defensive team to make this trade.

[Surferdad]

There's a lot of things I like about Anderson.  He has a nose for the ball which helps his rebounding, and he can a high variety of shots.  It sounds like his defense may not be as good Bass who at times can be quite good.  Bass also hit shots with a high FG% and in the C's schemes that's as good as what Anderson can do so in a way this is kind of a wash offensively..

Giving up Green leaves a huge hole at backup 3. I would not play Lee there in general.  Jason Smith doesn't really help you, IMO.  I would rather get a wing player back who can defend big wings.

The Green contract has better value than Anderson, IMO.  If he gets traded down the line, he could be packaged to perhaps get an elite player to replace either PP or KG when they hang it up.

I give the OP credit for a thoughtful idea, but in balance I would not do this trade.

[moiso]

I'd take Anderson over Green any day of the week, but I wouldn't want to lose Bass and I don't like Smith.

[Clench123]

A really bad idea if you ask me

[fitzhickey]

Green and bass is too much IMO because there would be a gap at 3, and lee is a bit small to guard 3. Giving up too much in this, and Anderson isnt as good p at defence than bass

[syfy9]

Offensively a perfect fit....does he play "D" though.....don't remember him opening eyes on the defensive side of the court

It's a trade I would hate to see. Anderson cannot defend if his life depended on it. It makes no sense for a defensive team to make this trade.

The general consensus around the league is that going to Boston will improve your defense, but not necessarily improve the team. Anderson will only get better defensively, especially under KG's tut.

ATM, Anderson is a better defender as a PF than Jeff Green, but worse than Brandon Bass. Jason Smith is compensation for that - a 7 footer with good defensive fundamentals.

It's like bringing in another Ray Allen, but at PF. He's not known for his defense like Ray was when he was in his late Seattle years, but Ray was able to work within the Celtics system.

By any means, I'm not saying that the defense will improve. I expect it to weaken - but for the sake of another potent offensive piece.

Rondo
Terry
Pierce
Anderson
Garnett

All are 12+ PPG scorers, great shooters (excluding the top 2 passing PG in the league), and can work within a system. Terry and Pierce can create off the dribble, Garnett can post up, and Anderson can play a rich (and unique) man's Big Baby and finish well. All this PLUS the fact that each one is a deadly spot up shooter that will thrive from Rondo's superb passing.

I think the offense Anderson brings outweighs the defense.

Green and bass is to much IMO because there would be a gap at 3, and lee is a bit small to guard 3. Giving up too much in this, and Anderson isnt as good p at defence than bass

Take out Smith and put in Aminu?

[fitzhickey]

Offensively a perfect fit....does he play "D" though.....don't remember him opening eyes on the defensive side of the court

It's a trade I would hate to see. Anderson cannot defend if his life depended on it. It makes no sense for a defensive team to make this trade.

The general consensus around the league is that going to Boston will improve your defense, but not necessarily improve the team. Anderson will only get better defensively, especially under KG's tut.

ATM, Anderson is a better defender as a PF than Jeff Green, but worse than Brandon Bass. Jason Smith is compensation for that - a 7 footer with good defensive fundamentals.

It's like bringing in another Ray Allen, but at PF. He's not known for his defense like Ray was when he was in his late Seattle years, but Ray was able to work within the Celtics system.

By any means, I'm not saying that the defense will improve. I expect it to weaken - but for the sake of another potent offensive piece.

Rondo
Terry
Pierce
Anderson
Garnett

All are 12+ PPG scorers, great shooters (excluding the top 2 passing PG in the league), and can work within a system. Terry and Pierce can create off the dribble, Garnett can post up, and Anderson can play a rich (and unique) man's Big Baby and finish well. All this PLUS the fact that each one is a deadly spot up shooter that will thrive from Rondo's superb passing.

I think the offense Anderson brings outweighs the defense.

Green and bass is to much IMO because there would be a gap at 3, and lee is a bit small to guard 3. Giving up too much in this, and Anderson isnt as good p at defence than bass

Take out Smith and put in Aminu?

Yeah, maybe if aminu instead of smith, still would like to see green stay in green for a while

[Cman]

I like the trade, and I like the justification/argument made by the OP -- TP for the effort.

[pearljammer10]

They've done studies you know...Sixty percent of the time, I say no to this trade, every time.

[ManUp]

I'd pass. His efficiency nose dived when Howard went down with his injury. He was a non-factor in the play-offs while BBD was pretending to be an Allstar. He's a bi-product of playing with Howard a superstar, I'd save our trade chips for a bigger fish.

[Vermont Green]

I feel like Bass could become expendable but I don't see Jeff Green going anywhere.  Even though Bass is likely to start at PF, I don't feel he is a more valuable player than Green.

I feel like our team could improve meaningfully if we could "upgrade" Bass.  The best scenario is to somehow get a true center who is starting-calibar and then start KG at PF and use Green, Sullinger, Wilcox as back-up PF.  The second best scenario is to offer a package to get back a better PF (essentially what the OP is suggesting).

I am just not sure Anderson is the fit for this.  I think with KG at Center, we need more of a full-sized, blue collar PF who can defend and rebound.  I also think a package of Bass and Bradley or Bass and Lee is more likely than trading Green as we have some redundancy at 1 and 2.  I even think they would consider trading Rondo with Bass if they could get back some one really good like say Aldridge.  That is not saying that they are looking to trade Rondo but if the right big man were to be in play, I don't think Rondo is untouchable.

[syfy9]

I'd pass. His efficiency nose dived when Howard went down with his injury. He was a non-factor in the play-offs while BBD was pretending to be an Allstar. He's a bi-product of playing with Howard a superstar, I'd save our trade chips for a bigger fish.

Fair enough. But even though his efficiency went down, his numbers were more or less the same. He was a non factor in the playoffs though - He's not the sort of player who'd be able to carry a team. He's not a good 1st option guy, but he's a great 2nd/3rd/4th option guy.



It's okay if he's a bi-product from playing with Howard. If he even goes to the Celtics, he'll be in a much better situation.

What's playing from Shaq's double teams compared to playing alongside John Stockton?

Numerous examples of players playing better under a superior passing PG than from the double teams of a top tier player.

Jason Richardson (Nash & Howard)
Marion (Nash & Dirk)
Shaq (Playing with Rondo and Nash)
Raja Bell (Nash & Jazz (i believe))
Brandon Bass (Rondo)
And many more.

[2short]

I feel like Bass could become expendable but I don't see Jeff Green going anywhere.  Even though Bass is likely to start at PF, I don't feel he is a more valuable player than Green.

I feel like our team could improve meaningfully if we could "upgrade" Bass.  The best scenario is to somehow get a true center who is starting-calibar and then start KG at PF and use Green, Sullinger, Wilcox as back-up PF.  The second best scenario is to offer a package to get back a better PF (essentially what the OP is suggesting).

I am just not sure Anderson is the fit for this.  I think with KG at Center, we need more of a full-sized, blue collar PF who can defend and rebound.  I also think a package of Bass and Bradley or Bass and Lee is more likely than trading Green as we have some redundancy at 1 and 2.  I even think they would consider trading Rondo with Bass if they could get back some one really good like say Aldridge.  That is not saying that they are looking to trade Rondo but if the right big man were to be in play, I don't think Rondo is untouchable.

tp and agree with everything UNTIL the rondo trade part
green is going to be very important in keeping paul fresh and giving rondo a running mate (at 6'9")