Courtney Lee Shutting Down Ray Allen

[rayallen1934]

Ray Shutting down Teague

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-tcenQXfP0

 

Then Ray Allen got mad and this happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TijqcFFVK58

Hes SO mad he hit two 3 pointers! Taked it!

11 points after that dunk all in 13 minutes of play

but a dunk by teague in which he got a technical and Ray ends up hitting the free throw?

And thats suppossed to be shutting down Ray Allen?

I dont get it.

[gar]

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A 26 year old Lee is NOT better than a 26 year old Allen. But right now Lee's better all around game than a Allen at 37, fits better for what the C's want to do, and gives them some one that will get out in front of Rondo, and can also trail at the same time. And cut to the hoop and make the twinner shot that has been missing from Ray's arsenal the last couple of years.
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Good point; but Courtney Lee has done little to improve his game since he has been in the league. He played well as a rookie and continued to play at a fairly high level. All I am saying is that Ray showed that it takes hard work to have a long and productive career in the NBA. It will take a lot of work for Lee to get to the next level. Hope he is willing commit and to be the player that the C's need him to be. Want to see some of the fire that he played with in College and during his rookie year.

Once Bradley returns having Jet, Lee and Green off the bench could be exciting. Wilcox also likes to run.

[Sketch5]

Ray is a Hall of Famer. For some reason, people on this Blog just refuse to acknowledge what a great all around player he is. It is about time that CelticsBlog accept full responsibility for single-handedly driving Ray Allan out of Boston.

What?

I don't think CelticBlog had ANYTHING to do with Ray leaving.

Ray's ego, had more to do with it. Heck DA had more to do with it for trying to trade him the last couple years. Do I blame DA for trading to get younger when the team was stinking it up? No. And maybe that lit the fire needed to get them to play better at the same time.

I also don't think people refuse to acknowledge that he WAS a great all around player. Because he was. Again. He WAS. But now he's a spot up shooter that either helped or hurt the team.

He hurt them by not being able to dribble, create his own shot and that lead them to being down in games because the offense got stagnate and had to wait for him to get around picks. Which also gave them less offensive opportunities.

He helped when they needed a big time shot when they were down. But wouldn't have been needed if the stated above didn't happen.

A 26 year old Lee is NOT better than a 26 year old Allen. But right now Lee's better all around game than a Allen at 37, fits better for what the C's want to do, and gives them some one that will get out in front of Rondo, and can also trail at the same time. And cut to the hoop and make the tweener shot that has been missing from Ray's arsenal the last couple of years.

The key part there was the "But seriously" that followed and that you did not include in the quote

My Bad. Should learn how to read more gooder. i wonder if the
Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too school is now taking applications...

[CelticsFan9]

A large part of Ray's value in Boston (and in Miami) is that you have to know where he is at all times, which limits a team's ability to double team other players, and helps space the floor. It worked in Boston and it will work in Miami. If you had the choice between having a player help on a LeBron drive or sticking with Ray, which do you choose? I think most teams are going to opt for the former and leave Ray with open shot after open shot. He won't beat a team by himself, but he will help his team, which is kind of the point of basketball.

Ray is going to hurt us next year if he is healthy. Simple as that. The only thing that can stop Ray is Ray and his 38 year old body trying to play yet another 82 game season. This time coming off surgery. Remember that he is rehabbing more then training this season.

But with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh on the court defenses have bigger fish to fry then Ray Allen. He will get his looks. I am still a little unsold on Spoelstra's ability to utilize Ray the way we did or his desire to do so.

I just don't know how involved Ray will be in the offense. I see him getting a decent amount of open 3 looks but Miami always gets that. A combo of Mike Miller, James Jones, and Shane Battier is a pretty darn good 3 point shooting.

Isn't Miller and Jones some of the highest percentages over the past couple years? I mean ray is a better ball player but unless he is highly featured in their offense how much more is he going to be bring offensively?

I just don't see a gigantic difference in any of those guys standing in the corner waiting to get the ball kicked out to them. If you go by the percentages there just isn't a big difference.

How many times has Mike Miller scored 15+ last season, how about Battier, how about Jones


This is the problem with board members. Ray Allen might be considered just a shooter, but if he is healthy he is still a scorer.

The guy is not out there like Mike Miller who can barely move anymore or hasnt seen the basket up close in like 5 years

Ray Allen can still drive, dish, get to the basket, and hit mid range shots from anywhere

This is not Mike Miller, Shane Battier, or Jones.....This is Ray Allen

And if you want to keep telling yourself lies like Ray Allen is no better than Novak, then continue to do so.

Wait wait wait wait wait.  So you're telling me Ray's gonna score more than 15 a game for the Heat next season?  That's a joke.  Not with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh there.  And who cares if Ray's healthy?  Even if he is, I can't imagine his offense will be anything other than jumpers.  Last time I checked, being a "shooter" and being a "scorer" are different things.

[lightspeed5]

not to mention, he'll be getting passes from mario chalmers and lebron...

last time i checked, neither can pass as good as the best passer in the game. this aspect is overlooked way too often. Rondo lines up the seams in his passes and always hits the numbers on the jersey. the speed, direction, trajectory, and spin of rondo's passes are second to none. I personally believe the downgrade in pass quality will be evident to ray, especially because of his OCD... hes used to the best passes of his career, and will now downgrade to one of the worst passers in the game.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZYNRSwKkcg

[rayallen1934]

A large part of Ray's value in Boston (and in Miami) is that you have to know where he is at all times, which limits a team's ability to double team other players, and helps space the floor. It worked in Boston and it will work in Miami. If you had the choice between having a player help on a LeBron drive or sticking with Ray, which do you choose? I think most teams are going to opt for the former and leave Ray with open shot after open shot. He won't beat a team by himself, but he will help his team, which is kind of the point of basketball.

Ray is going to hurt us next year if he is healthy. Simple as that. The only thing that can stop Ray is Ray and his 38 year old body trying to play yet another 82 game season. This time coming off surgery. Remember that he is rehabbing more then training this season.

But with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh on the court defenses have bigger fish to fry then Ray Allen. He will get his looks. I am still a little unsold on Spoelstra's ability to utilize Ray the way we did or his desire to do so.

I just don't know how involved Ray will be in the offense. I see him getting a decent amount of open 3 looks but Miami always gets that. A combo of Mike Miller, James Jones, and Shane Battier is a pretty darn good 3 point shooting.

Isn't Miller and Jones some of the highest percentages over the past couple years? I mean ray is a better ball player but unless he is highly featured in their offense how much more is he going to be bring offensively?

I just don't see a gigantic difference in any of those guys standing in the corner waiting to get the ball kicked out to them. If you go by the percentages there just isn't a big difference.

How many times has Mike Miller scored 15+ last season, how about Battier, how about Jones


This is the problem with board members. Ray Allen might be considered just a shooter, but if he is healthy he is still a scorer.

The guy is not out there like Mike Miller who can barely move anymore or hasnt seen the basket up close in like 5 years

Ray Allen can still drive, dish, get to the basket, and hit mid range shots from anywhere

This is not Mike Miller, Shane Battier, or Jones.....This is Ray Allen

And if you want to keep telling yourself lies like Ray Allen is no better than Novak, then continue to do so.

Wait wait wait wait wait.  So you're telling me Ray's gonna score more than 15 a game for the Heat next season?  That's a joke.  Not with LeBron, Wade, and Bosh there.  And who cares if Ray's healthy?  Even if he is, I can't imagine his offense will be anything other than jumpers.  Last time I checked, being a "shooter" and being a "scorer" are different things.

It does not matter what he avaerages

its what he can do when needed to

Lebron Bosh and Wade are not going to score 25 points a game every night or every game

Ray Allen will be feared no matter what...will he average more than 14 a night, probably not

but can he score 20+ on a any given occassion?

YUP

he might average 9 points a game, but he might drop 28 and 7 threes on the Celtics if he needs too.

[Sketch5]

Ray Shutting down Teague

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-tcenQXfP0

 

Then Ray Allen got mad and this happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TijqcFFVK58

Hes SO mad he hit two 3 pointers! Taked it!

11 points after that dunk all in 13 minutes of play

but a dunk by teague in which he got a technical and Ray ends up hitting the free throw?

And thats suppossed to be shutting down Ray Allen?

I dont get it.

Well you quote "Ray Allen got mad and this happened"

And then post a video of him hitting two 3's and the rest of the team playing well also. Heck Rondo gave him the passes for those shots, set him up nicely, he hit some free throws, so he didn't do anything out of the ordinary.

Look, Ray Allen is good. he's going to have some good games next year. But the team in a hole is better. Now could they be as good with him in the line up with Terry, probably. Are they better with out him? Who knows yet, the season hasn't started.

But you had a better argument with your stat line than the lame quote and bad video to back it up.

You call your self a Celtics fan but you keep throwing the team under the bus.

I don't get it...

[BballTim]

Just look at Rondo giving Ray these shots. And yet he hates playing with him? C'mon now. Does he hate that Rondo, the PG is telling him what to do?

Yeah, I still feel like that was way overblown.

Ray was responsible for the highest percentage of Rondo's assists, Shaq's probably been the only one close.

I have faith he can still lead the league, but he's gonna have to work harder for them as Pierce and KG prefer to go 1 on 1 or grab the assist themselves.

  KG has as many of his baskets assisted as Ray did.

Read what I said, it's going to require more for him to get as many.  Almost all of KG's baskets from Rondo (at least since 08 when the lobs slowed down) come from Rondo driving it to the basket and dishing out when the defense collapses on penetration.  The ones that don't come from pick and pops/rolls when both defenders are pressuring Rondo.  This is obviously much different than waiting for Ray to curl while he has no pressure from his defender standing 6 feet away.

  I was responding to your comment about KG going 1v1 a lot. In any case, last year Rondo had 132 assists to PP, 127 to KG and 90 to Ray (regular season), and I'm fairly sure that he led the league in assists for that late season stretch when Ray was out of the lineup. I don't see Ray leaving causing a drop in assists for Rondo.

Good point, Ray wasn't injured or anything.

So KG doesn't go 1 on 1 as much as players on other teams do, he's still our number 1 post up option and takes turn-around jump shots quite often.  Compared to Ray Allen who turned into an almost exclusive catch and shooter towards the end of his stay here. 

Again, read what I said.  I never implied Rondo's assists would go down, I actually stated he could maintain them.  It was about how much more work/effort/energy is required from Rondo to get KG (or Bass) open in comparison to Ray.

  I did read what you said. I read your point that Ray was responsible for the highest percentage of Rondo's assists when Rondo has more assists to both PP and KG than Ray. I also read your point that KG likes to go 1v1 but he's got the 5th or 6th highest rate of assisted shots out of the top 100 scorers in the league.

[rayallen1934]

Ray Shutting down Teague

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-tcenQXfP0

 

Then Ray Allen got mad and this happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TijqcFFVK58

Hes SO mad he hit two 3 pointers! Taked it!

11 points after that dunk all in 13 minutes of play

but a dunk by teague in which he got a technical and Ray ends up hitting the free throw?

And thats suppossed to be shutting down Ray Allen?

I dont get it.

Well you quote "Ray Allen got mad and this happened"

And then post a video of him hitting two 3's and the rest of the team playing well also. Heck Rondo gave him the passes for those shots, set him up nicely, he hit some free throws, so he didn't do anything out of the ordinary.

Look, Ray Allen is good. he's going to have some good games next year. But the team in a hole is better. Now could they be as good with him in the line up with Terry, probably. Are they better with out him? Who knows yet, the season hasn't started.

But you had a better argument with your stat line than the lame quote and bad video to back it up.

You call your self a Celtics fan but you keep throwing the team under the bus.

I don't get it...

Celtics are better without Allen

Jeff Green is my second favorite player

I just think Ray is very underrated. And not one Dimensional.

[RockinRyA]

2009 playoffs against the Magic guarded primarily by courtney lee and jj reddick, ray allen averaged just 35% from the field and 13 ppg.

[CelticsFan9]

rayallen1934, could you please share with us all the dimensions of Ray Allen's offensive game, other than shooting?

[CelticG1]

A large part of Ray's value in Boston (and in Miami) is that you have to know where he is at all times, which limits a team's ability to double team other players, and helps space the floor. It worked in Boston and it will work in Miami. If you had the choice between having a player help on a LeBron drive or sticking with Ray, which do you choose? I think most teams are going to opt for the former and leave Ray with open shot after open shot. He won't beat a team by himself, but he will help his team, which is kind of the point of basketball.

Ray is going to hurt us next year if he is healthy. Simple as that. The only thing that can stop Ray is Ray and his 38 year old body trying to play yet another 82 game season. This time coming off surgery. Remember that he is rehabbing more then training this season.

But with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh on the court defenses have bigger fish to fry then Ray Allen. He will get his looks. I am still a little unsold on Spoelstra's ability to utilize Ray the way we did or his desire to do so.

I just don't know how involved Ray will be in the offense. I see him getting a decent amount of open 3 looks but Miami always gets that. A combo of Mike Miller, James Jones, and Shane Battier is a pretty darn good 3 point shooting.

Isn't Miller and Jones some of the highest percentages over the past couple years? I mean ray is a better ball player but unless he is highly featured in their offense how much more is he going to be bring offensively?

I just don't see a gigantic difference in any of those guys standing in the corner waiting to get the ball kicked out to them. If you go by the percentages there just isn't a big difference.

How many times has Mike Miller scored 15+ last season, how about Battier, how about Jones


This is the problem with board members. Ray Allen might be considered just a shooter, but if he is healthy he is still a scorer.

The guy is not out there like Mike Miller who can barely move anymore or hasnt seen the basket up close in like 5 years

Ray Allen can still drive, dish, get to the basket, and hit mid range shots from anywhere

This is not Mike Miller, Shane Battier, or Jones.....This is Ray Allen

And if you want to keep telling yourself lies like Ray Allen is no better than Novak, then continue to do so.

That's funny that you mentioned Steve Novak the guy who dropped 25 points and 8 3' on us last season.


Yeah Ray Allen will have some of those games but very few IMO has with Miami. I just don't see him getting many more shots or plays than some of those other layers on that team.

If he's draining those shots it will suck but it sucks whenever any other 3 point shooter is doing it.

What type of role do you see Ray really having with them? I mean it is clearly going to be severely limited compared to what it was with the Celtics. His shot attempts could be cut in half.

He's going from a team with the best ball movement in the league, probably the most selfless team who knew eachother in and out to a brand new system where the ball mainly "sticks" to 2 players.

[scaryjerry]

endorse this post for the most part....I like courtney lee...liked him when he was a rookie with the magic and i saw a whole lot of him.....I also think hes one of the more overrated signings ever and not as good as avery bradley, really on either side of the ball. we acted like we signed dwight howard when we got lee and it was embarassing.

[Sketch5]

endorse this post for the most part....I like courtney lee...liked him when he was a rookie with the magic and i saw a whole lot of him.....I also think hes one of the more overrated signings ever and not as good as avery bradley, really on either side of the ball. we acted like we signed dwight howard when we got lee and it was embarassing.

I think the excitement was more the fact that we needed a quality shooting guard to start the season with having AB down for a while. Mayo was on the Radar, and so was Lee. And with what happened with West last year, know Mayo was out of reach, moslty because of location.

Lee was the next quality SG, and he is young. I think thats what people got excited about that some one with good around skill younger than 30 came to Boston, and on the cheap. I say on the Cheap because you know some one would have payed more for him, so YEA to Doc and Rondo drawing in young talent.

I think it was more of the hope that Boston is turning the "OLD MANs TEAM" corner, and with the signing of Green, and AB rising, and the hope that Sully and Melo turn out for the best will bring more young talent sniffing around Boston in the next few years. And people got excited about it.

[CelticG1]

endorse this post for the most part....I like courtney lee...liked him when he was a rookie with the magic and i saw a whole lot of him.....I also think hes one of the more overrated signings ever and not as good as avery bradley, really on either side of the ball. we acted like we signed dwight howard when we got lee and it was embarassing.

Excitement (relative excitement) for me was that it was a guy they wanted and got which doesn't happen much with this team. They didn't really have any means of getting him and pulled it off.

Plus it adds to our depth and even if you aren't a huge fan he is a pretty good player who will help the team.