Courtney Lee Shutting Down Ray Allen

[mgent]

Just look at Rondo giving Ray these shots. And yet he hates playing with him? C'mon now. Does he hate that Rondo, the PG is telling him what to do?

Yeah, I still feel like that was way overblown.

Ray was responsible for the highest percentage of Rondo's assists, Shaq's probably been the only one close.

I have faith he can still lead the league, but he's gonna have to work harder for them as Pierce and KG prefer to go 1 on 1 or grab the assist themselves.

  KG has as many of his baskets assisted as Ray did.

Read what I said, it's going to require more for him to get as many.  Almost all of KG's baskets from Rondo (at least since 08 when the lobs slowed down) come from Rondo driving it to the basket and dishing out when the defense collapses on penetration.  The ones that don't come from pick and pops/rolls when both defenders are pressuring Rondo.  This is obviously much different than waiting for Ray to curl while he has no pressure from his defender standing 6 feet away.

  I was responding to your comment about KG going 1v1 a lot. In any case, last year Rondo had 132 assists to PP, 127 to KG and 90 to Ray (regular season), and I'm fairly sure that he led the league in assists for that late season stretch when Ray was out of the lineup. I don't see Ray leaving causing a drop in assists for Rondo.

Good point, Ray wasn't injured or anything.

So KG doesn't go 1 on 1 as much as players on other teams do, he's still our number 1 post up option and takes turn-around jump shots quite often.  Compared to Ray Allen who turned into an almost exclusive catch and shooter towards the end of his stay here. 

Again, read what I said.  I never implied Rondo's assists would go down, I actually stated he could maintain them.  It was about how much more work/effort/energy is required from Rondo to get KG (or Bass) open in comparison to Ray.

[Smitty77]

Thanks Ray Allen 1934 for giving us highlights of one of Ray's ONLY good games in the 2012 calendar year:-))))))

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

Fun idea Rayallen,

How did Super Ray do vs. Jason Terry???

Game 1:  Terry had 16 pts. in 32 minutes and shot 57% from long range.
         Ray had 15 pts. in 37 minutes and shot 20% from long range.

Game 2:  Terry had 18 pts. in 33 minutes and shot 44% from the floor.
         Ray had ONLY 9 points in 33 minutes and shot 38% from the floor.

Got anything for me??:-)))))

Smitty77

[Timdawgg]

Ray Shutting down Teague

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-tcenQXfP0

 

[Celtics4ever]

Ray can't create his own shot anymore Bradley will be able to D him.  Lee too I think.

[gar]

Ray is a Hall of Famer. For some reason, people on this Blog just refuse to acknowledge what a great all around player he is. It is about time that CelticsBlog accept full responsibility for single-handedly driving Ray Allan out of Boston.

But Seriously, we all know that Ray will have his moments next year. Whatever his beef was, I just hope the Lee kid can play. I get concerned when everyone on this Blog says that Lee is the second coming of Avery Bradley, and all the other "experts" see his defense as a weakness. He also need to prove that he can produce consistently. I hope he can prove me wrong; but I don't consider him a "Celtic" until he earns it. Ray earned it. I want to see for myself what this kid can do.

[bruinsandceltics]

Why use 1 game when you can use a whole series?

Game 3: 3-13 0-5 3pt 8 pts
Game 4: 6-13 0-5 3pt 12 pts
Game 5: 3-11 2-5 3pt 13 pts
Game 6: 2-11 0-7 3pt 5 pts
Game 7: 9-18 3-6 3pt 23 pts
AVG: 34.9 FG%, 17.9 3PT%, 12.2 PTS

Courtney Lee was hurt in games 1 and 2.

[rayallen1934]

Why use 1 game when you can use a whole series?

Game 3: 3-13 0-5 3pt 8 pts
Game 4: 6-13 0-5 3pt 12 pts
Game 5: 3-11 2-5 3pt 13 pts
Game 6: 2-11 0-7 3pt 5 pts
Game 7: 9-18 3-6 3pt 23 pts
AVG: 34.9 FG%, 17.9 3PT%, 12.2 PTS

Courtney Lee was hurt in games 1 and 2.

JJ Reddick was guarding Ray most of the time...sadly.

[CelticG1]

A large part of Ray's value in Boston (and in Miami) is that you have to know where he is at all times, which limits a team's ability to double team other players, and helps space the floor. It worked in Boston and it will work in Miami. If you had the choice between having a player help on a LeBron drive or sticking with Ray, which do you choose? I think most teams are going to opt for the former and leave Ray with open shot after open shot. He won't beat a team by himself, but he will help his team, which is kind of the point of basketball.

Ray is going to hurt us next year if he is healthy. Simple as that. The only thing that can stop Ray is Ray and his 38 year old body trying to play yet another 82 game season. This time coming off surgery. Remember that he is rehabbing more then training this season.

But with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh on the court defenses have bigger fish to fry then Ray Allen. He will get his looks. I am still a little unsold on Spoelstra's ability to utilize Ray the way we did or his desire to do so.

I just don't know how involved Ray will be in the offense. I see him getting a decent amount of open 3 looks but Miami always gets that. A combo of Mike Miller, James Jones, and Shane Battier is a pretty darn good 3 point shooting.

Isn't Miller and Jones some of the highest percentages over the past couple years? I mean ray is a better ball player but unless he is highly featured in their offense how much more is he going to be bring offensively?

I just don't see a gigantic difference in any of those guys standing in the corner waiting to get the ball kicked out to them. If you go by the percentages there just isn't a big difference.

[bfrombleacher]

Just look at Rondo giving Ray these shots. And yet he hates playing with him? C'mon now. Does he hate that Rondo, the PG is telling him what to do?

Yeah, I still feel like that was way overblown.

Ray was responsible for the highest percentage of Rondo's assists, Shaq's probably been the only one close.

I have faith he can still lead the league, but he's gonna have to work harder for them as Pierce and KG prefer to go 1 on 1 or grab the assist themselves.

  KG has as many of his baskets assisted as Ray did.

Read what I said, it's going to require more for him to get as many.  Almost all of KG's baskets from Rondo (at least since 08 when the lobs slowed down) come from Rondo driving it to the basket and dishing out when the defense collapses on penetration.  The ones that don't come from pick and pops/rolls when both defenders are pressuring Rondo.  This is obviously much different than waiting for Ray to curl while he has no pressure from his defender standing 6 feet away.

  I was responding to your comment about KG going 1v1 a lot. In any case, last year Rondo had 132 assists to PP, 127 to KG and 90 to Ray (regular season), and I'm fairly sure that he led the league in assists for that late season stretch when Ray was out of the lineup. I don't see Ray leaving causing a drop in assists for Rondo.

Good point, Ray wasn't injured or anything.

So KG doesn't go 1 on 1 as much as players on other teams do, he's still our number 1 post up option and takes turn-around jump shots quite often.  Compared to Ray Allen who turned into an almost exclusive catch and shooter towards the end of his stay here. 

Again, read what I said.  I never implied Rondo's assists would go down, I actually stated he could maintain them.  It was about how much more work/effort/energy is required from Rondo to get KG (or Bass) open in comparison to Ray.

And Ray's replacement is the Jet, who can run through the same "screen maze" (props to the guy who coined that term, love it) and won't stop the ball as he at least has some handles. He will also provide a more dynamic option on the break for Rondo.

Before anyone says anything about how the Jet is totally not better than Ray Allen...like quite a few have said before, he may not be better but he's a better fitting piece.

Rondo also got quite a few assists with AB last season. It's not a sure thing now but players who can actually cut to the basket and a serviceable jumper (like the Jet, AB and Green) might be an even better fit. We've seen "pure shooters" KG and Ray completely stop the ball when there's no open jumper available.

[rayallen1934]

Ray Shutting down Teague

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-tcenQXfP0

 

Then Ray Allen got mad and this happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TijqcFFVK58

[rayallen1934]

A large part of Ray's value in Boston (and in Miami) is that you have to know where he is at all times, which limits a team's ability to double team other players, and helps space the floor. It worked in Boston and it will work in Miami. If you had the choice between having a player help on a LeBron drive or sticking with Ray, which do you choose? I think most teams are going to opt for the former and leave Ray with open shot after open shot. He won't beat a team by himself, but he will help his team, which is kind of the point of basketball.

Ray is going to hurt us next year if he is healthy. Simple as that. The only thing that can stop Ray is Ray and his 38 year old body trying to play yet another 82 game season. This time coming off surgery. Remember that he is rehabbing more then training this season.

But with Lebron, Wade, and Bosh on the court defenses have bigger fish to fry then Ray Allen. He will get his looks. I am still a little unsold on Spoelstra's ability to utilize Ray the way we did or his desire to do so.

I just don't know how involved Ray will be in the offense. I see him getting a decent amount of open 3 looks but Miami always gets that. A combo of Mike Miller, James Jones, and Shane Battier is a pretty darn good 3 point shooting.

Isn't Miller and Jones some of the highest percentages over the past couple years? I mean ray is a better ball player but unless he is highly featured in their offense how much more is he going to be bring offensively?

I just don't see a gigantic difference in any of those guys standing in the corner waiting to get the ball kicked out to them. If you go by the percentages there just isn't a big difference.

How many times has Mike Miller scored 15+ last season, how about Battier, how about Jones


This is the problem with board members. Ray Allen might be considered just a shooter, but if he is healthy he is still a scorer.

The guy is not out there like Mike Miller who can barely move anymore or hasnt seen the basket up close in like 5 years

Ray Allen can still drive, dish, get to the basket, and hit mid range shots from anywhere

This is not Mike Miller, Shane Battier, or Jones.....This is Ray Allen

And if you want to keep telling yourself lies like Ray Allen is no better than Novak, then continue to do so.

[Sketch5]

Ray is a Hall of Famer. For some reason, people on this Blog just refuse to acknowledge what a great all around player he is. It is about time that CelticsBlog accept full responsibility for single-handedly driving Ray Allan out of Boston.

What?

I don't think CelticBlog had ANYTHING to do with Ray leaving.

Ray's ego, had more to do with it. Heck DA had more to do with it for trying to trade him the last couple years. Do I blame DA for trading to get younger when the team was stinking it up? No. And maybe that lit the fire needed to get them to play better at the same time.

I also don't think people refuse to acknowledge that he WAS a great all around player. Because he was. Again. He WAS. But now he's a spot up shooter that either helped or hurt the team.

He hurt them by not being able to dribble, create his own shot and that lead them to being down in games because the offense got stagnate and had to wait for him to get around picks. Which also gave them less offensive opportunities.

He helped when they needed a big time shot when they were down. But wouldn't have been needed if the stated above didn't happen.

A 26 year old Lee is NOT better than a 26 year old Allen. But right now Lee's better all around game than a Allen at 37, fits better for what the C's want to do, and gives them some one that will get out in front of Rondo, and can also trail at the same time. And cut to the hoop and make the twinner shot that has been missing from Ray's arsenal the last couple of years.
 

[Sketch5]

Ray Shutting down Teague

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-tcenQXfP0

 

Then Ray Allen got mad and this happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TijqcFFVK58

Hes SO mad he hit two 3 pointers! Taked it!

[gar]

Ray is a Hall of Famer. For some reason, people on this Blog just refuse to acknowledge what a great all around player he is. It is about time that CelticsBlog accept full responsibility for single-handedly driving Ray Allan out of Boston.

What?

I don't think CelticBlog had ANYTHING to do with Ray leaving.

Ray's ego, had more to do with it. Heck DA had more to do with it for trying to trade him the last couple years. Do I blame DA for trading to get younger when the team was stinking it up? No. And maybe that lit the fire needed to get them to play better at the same time.

I also don't think people refuse to acknowledge that he WAS a great all around player. Because he was. Again. He WAS. But now he's a spot up shooter that either helped or hurt the team.

He hurt them by not being able to dribble, create his own shot and that lead them to being down in games because the offense got stagnate and had to wait for him to get around picks. Which also gave them less offensive opportunities.

He helped when they needed a big time shot when they were down. But wouldn't have been needed if the stated above didn't happen.

A 26 year old Lee is NOT better than a 26 year old Allen. But right now Lee's better all around game than a Allen at 37, fits better for what the C's want to do, and gives them some one that will get out in front of Rondo, and can also trail at the same time. And cut to the hoop and make the twinner shot that has been missing from Ray's arsenal the last couple of years.

The key part there was the "But seriously" that followed and that you did not include in the quote