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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2012, 10:59:09 AM »

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Kobe shot the ball at an amazing rate last year. How do you ensure the ball is spread out more so west and Duncan are consistently more involved then Bynum and gasol were at times. Kobe loves hero ball but that seems to be a detriment now to his teams at this point in his career.

I think a big part of it is having him go back into a structured offense.  He took an average of 3 more shots per game last year than he had in the past 4 years.  Also, last year he lost a great ball mover in Lamar Odom and had a couple of sub par PG's playing along side of him. 

Grant Hill will replace Lamar Odom.  Grant is another great ball mover at the SF spot and Duncan will be passing out of the low Post which he is phenomenal at.  I think this team will be very good at spreading the ball around and keeping everybody happy. 

I think I have balanced out Kobe well, he is obviously a shot taker, but I surrounded him with several unselfish players with good leadership qualities.

Tim Duncan = Pau Gasol passing
David West = Andrew Bynum passing
Grant Hill > Barns/Artest passing
George Hill < Ramon Sessions passing

I'm not saying it won't work or anything, but when you consider that Pau Gasol played 37 MPG in 65 of 66 regular season games, while Tim Duncan played 28 MPG in 58 regular season games, I don't think you can really argue that you improved the ball movement. Not that its a bad team, but I don't think you did much to take the ball out of Kobe's hands.

I personally think you are underestimating West and Hill.  But I think the part of it you are ignoring is that on that team you had Bynum, a punk, Gasol who kobe turned into a punching bag as Kane mentioned earlier and Matt Barnes.  Replace that with West, Duncan and Grant Hill and I think you have alot more accountability for Kobe.  Surround Kobe with Unselfish high character guys and good things will happen. 

In general look at what replacing delonte west with a guy like Keyon Dooling did for the celts.  Even replacing low character bench guys with high character bench guys has a deep effect on a team.

At this point in his career i think you are overestimating Grant Hill.

I don't think so, Solid defensively, ball mover, 8-10 ppg.  I think thats 100% realistic for Grant.

All im saying is if Hill was on my team he would be my 12th-13th guy

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/336/grant-hill

And that would be your mistake but I wouldnt want to bury a guy like that in the rotation, and I don't think the clippers plan on that either.

How would that be my mistake did you see his PER you are overrating him and kidd

Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2012, 10:59:48 AM »

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Kobe isn't changing who is his anymore than Tim Duncan is.

Im not sure what that means, Im not saying Kobe will change who he is, im just saying he will go back to the 07-10 Kobe rather than the 11-12 kobe who shot 3 more shots per game.
Kobe shot at roughly the same rate last year as he has in the past. He's shooting 20 to 21 shots per 36 minutes the past 6 years.

He was just playing 5 more MPG for Mike Brown than for Phil in 2010-2011. The number of shots per minute were essentially the same.

Kobe is who he is, he'll get his 20-21 shots per 36 with a usage of around 32 to 35. Small variations that don't really amount to a big difference.

I agree, I was just trying to answer Kanes question, im assuming he was refering to the uptick from 20ish to 23ish shots per game this past season. 
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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2012, 11:00:54 AM »

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Kobe shot the ball at an amazing rate last year. How do you ensure the ball is spread out more so west and Duncan are consistently more involved then Bynum and gasol were at times. Kobe loves hero ball but that seems to be a detriment now to his teams at this point in his career.

I think a big part of it is having him go back into a structured offense.  He took an average of 3 more shots per game last year than he had in the past 4 years.  Also, last year he lost a great ball mover in Lamar Odom and had a couple of sub par PG's playing along side of him. 

Grant Hill will replace Lamar Odom.  Grant is another great ball mover at the SF spot and Duncan will be passing out of the low Post which he is phenomenal at.  I think this team will be very good at spreading the ball around and keeping everybody happy. 

I think I have balanced out Kobe well, he is obviously a shot taker, but I surrounded him with several unselfish players with good leadership qualities.

Tim Duncan = Pau Gasol passing
David West = Andrew Bynum passing
Grant Hill > Barns/Artest passing
George Hill < Ramon Sessions passing

I'm not saying it won't work or anything, but when you consider that Pau Gasol played 37 MPG in 65 of 66 regular season games, while Tim Duncan played 28 MPG in 58 regular season games, I don't think you can really argue that you improved the ball movement. Not that its a bad team, but I don't think you did much to take the ball out of Kobe's hands.

I personally think you are underestimating West and Hill.  But I think the part of it you are ignoring is that on that team you had Bynum, a punk, Gasol who kobe turned into a punching bag as Kane mentioned earlier and Matt Barnes.  Replace that with West, Duncan and Grant Hill and I think you have alot more accountability for Kobe.  Surround Kobe with Unselfish high character guys and good things will happen. 

In general look at what replacing delonte west with a guy like Keyon Dooling did for the celts.  Even replacing low character bench guys with high character bench guys has a deep effect on a team.

At this point in his career i think you are overestimating Grant Hill.

I don't think so, Solid defensively, ball mover, 8-10 ppg.  I think thats 100% realistic for Grant.

All im saying is if Hill was on my team he would be my 12th-13th guy

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/336/grant-hill

And that would be your mistake but I wouldnt want to bury a guy like that in the rotation, and I don't think the clippers plan on that either.

How would that be my mistake did you see his PER you are overrating him and kidd

Maybe, I think its clear that we have different methods of evaluating talent, but I am very comfortable in the fact that I think my team is the most cohesive and best put together group in the division and not just a collection of talent that may or may not work together.
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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2012, 11:01:56 AM »

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Washington, a hypothetical: Stephen Curry misses a 20-game stretch with a mild ankle sprain, and Chauncey Billups still isn't recovered yet from his major injury. How does that affect your rotation? How does that affect your win total?

This will become our rotation

Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Lou Williams

Bench
Spencer Hawes
DeJuan Blair
Steve Novak
Michael Beasley
Jameer Nelson

How does that affect your win total? I dont know i cant look into the future.

I'd say it significantly hurts your win total. And that's the conclusion I reached before I traded Curry (and I bet its the one Roy reached too): He's gonna miss games.

We have depth though so it wont affect us by a lot

Not really...you've got Jameer Nelson.

Chauncey Billups, before he was injured, had become a better 2 guard than a 1. You put Chauncey next to Jason Terry, or Monta Ellis, a SG in a PG's body. Now, any kind of hope that Billups can guard the 1 is just a thing of the past in my mind.

I do think that you've got something good working with a Lou Williams/Chauncey backcourt, but again, we're talking about a 36 year old man coming off of achillies surgery. Elton Brand did it at age 28, and never got back to the elite player he was before he heard the pop, and he still took off basically an entire season.

I'd take Nelson over Jack :)

That is why you fail.

Lol you and i would both take Vasquez over Jack :)

Whoa whoa whoa Ms Lippy**. I was gonna take Vasquez on for another player who I thought would help my rotation. I wanna say it was Gasol for Bosh?

Your team traded for Stephen Curry. That team's gotta think 'You got a real issue here. You got a responsibility.' If your point guard gets hurt you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that (freaking) versatile backcourt depth!!**






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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2012, 11:02:46 AM »

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Kobe shot the ball at an amazing rate last year. How do you ensure the ball is spread out more so west and Duncan are consistently more involved then Bynum and gasol were at times. Kobe loves hero ball but that seems to be a detriment now to his teams at this point in his career.

I think a big part of it is having him go back into a structured offense.  He took an average of 3 more shots per game last year than he had in the past 4 years.  Also, last year he lost a great ball mover in Lamar Odom and had a couple of sub par PG's playing along side of him. 

Grant Hill will replace Lamar Odom.  Grant is another great ball mover at the SF spot and Duncan will be passing out of the low Post which he is phenomenal at.  I think this team will be very good at spreading the ball around and keeping everybody happy. 

I think I have balanced out Kobe well, he is obviously a shot taker, but I surrounded him with several unselfish players with good leadership qualities.

Tim Duncan = Pau Gasol passing
David West = Andrew Bynum passing
Grant Hill > Barns/Artest passing
George Hill < Ramon Sessions passing

I'm not saying it won't work or anything, but when you consider that Pau Gasol played 37 MPG in 65 of 66 regular season games, while Tim Duncan played 28 MPG in 58 regular season games, I don't think you can really argue that you improved the ball movement. Not that its a bad team, but I don't think you did much to take the ball out of Kobe's hands.

I personally think you are underestimating West and Hill.  But I think the part of it you are ignoring is that on that team you had Bynum, a punk, Gasol who kobe turned into a punching bag as Kane mentioned earlier and Matt Barnes.  Replace that with West, Duncan and Grant Hill and I think you have alot more accountability for Kobe.  Surround Kobe with Unselfish high character guys and good things will happen. 

In general look at what replacing delonte west with a guy like Keyon Dooling did for the celts.  Even replacing low character bench guys with high character bench guys has a deep effect on a team.

At this point in his career i think you are overestimating Grant Hill.

I don't think so, Solid defensively, ball mover, 8-10 ppg.  I think thats 100% realistic for Grant.

All im saying is if Hill was on my team he would be my 12th-13th guy

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/336/grant-hill

And that would be your mistake but I wouldnt want to bury a guy like that in the rotation, and I don't think the clippers plan on that either.

How would that be my mistake did you see his PER you are overrating him and kidd

Maybe, I think its clear that we have different methods of evaluating talent, but I am very comfortable in the fact that I think my team is the most cohesive and best put together group in the division and not just a collection of talent that may or may not work together.

I agree one goes for the big name players the other goes for the best players :)

Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2012, 11:04:02 AM »

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2012, 11:05:04 AM »

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Washington, a hypothetical: Stephen Curry misses a 20-game stretch with a mild ankle sprain, and Chauncey Billups still isn't recovered yet from his major injury. How does that affect your rotation? How does that affect your win total?

This will become our rotation

Marcin Gortat
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
J.R Smith
Lou Williams

Bench
Spencer Hawes
DeJuan Blair
Steve Novak
Michael Beasley
Jameer Nelson

How does that affect your win total? I dont know i cant look into the future.

I'd say it significantly hurts your win total. And that's the conclusion I reached before I traded Curry (and I bet its the one Roy reached too): He's gonna miss games.

We have depth though so it wont affect us by a lot

Not really...you've got Jameer Nelson.

Chauncey Billups, before he was injured, had become a better 2 guard than a 1. You put Chauncey next to Jason Terry, or Monta Ellis, a SG in a PG's body. Now, any kind of hope that Billups can guard the 1 is just a thing of the past in my mind.

I do think that you've got something good working with a Lou Williams/Chauncey backcourt, but again, we're talking about a 36 year old man coming off of achillies surgery. Elton Brand did it at age 28, and never got back to the elite player he was before he heard the pop, and he still took off basically an entire season.

I'd take Nelson over Jack :)

That is why you fail.

Lol you and i would both take Vasquez over Jack :)

Whoa whoa whoa Ms Lippy**. I was gonna take Vasquez on for another player who I thought would help my rotation. I wanna say it was Gasol for Bosh?

Your team traded for Stephen Curry. That team's gotta think 'You got a real issue here. You got a responsibility.' If your point guard gets hurt you don't look for an hour then call it quits. You get your ass out there and you find that (freaking) versatile backcourt depth!!**






**both of these are butchered quotes from Billy Madison.

Lol i remembered when it was my turn to pick you said "lets make the trade already im excited" then once i picked him you said " thats the guy who i was going to pick so lets make the trade"

Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2012, 11:05:39 AM »

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C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)

Coach: Phil Jackson

Why did you decide to change your starting lineup?

To play Grant Hill ahead of Mbah a Moute.

Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2012, 11:11:38 AM »

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Question for Orlando:

You say you think you are deepest team but have you seen the Wizards?
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2758/marcin-gortat
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1026/gerald-wallace
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2799/lou-williams
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3211/spencer-hawes
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3965/dejuan-blair
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2444/jr-smith
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3018/steve-novak
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/63/chauncey-billups
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2439/jameer-nelson
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4235/greg-stiemsma
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3418/michael-beasley

Yea but I think my depth is better than yours. You got guys who are going to want touches that arent going to get as many as they would like. My team has depth and compliements each other very well. Outside of Amar'e no one needs a ton of touches. Everyone will get their fair share of touches. I think Washington will have trouble getting everyone touches. I'm also not a big Gortat fan.

Lamar Odom: Took 7 shots a game for 6.6 PPG
Marvin Williams: Took 8.2 shots for 10.2 PPG
Vince Carter: Took 8.9 shots for 10.1 PPG

i can go on and on but these guys need the ball especially Odom

Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2012, 11:11:57 AM »

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C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)

Coach: Phil Jackson

Why did you decide to change your starting lineup?

To play Grant Hill ahead of Mbah a Moute.

Well I think in the end Mbah and Hill will be splitting the playing time, but I thought ending the game and begining the game were areas where Hill could help me most.  Help the other players get into an offensive groove early and help facilitate things late.
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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2012, 11:15:31 AM »

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C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)

Coach: Phil Jackson

Why did you decide to change your starting lineup?

To play Grant Hill ahead of Mbah a Moute.

Well I think in the end Mbah and Hill will be splitting the playing time, but I thought ending the game and begining the game were areas where Hill could help me most.  Help the other players get into an offensive groove early and help facilitate things late.

I liked Mbah a Moute there because he is a very athletic and a top notch defender.

Your lineup gets quite old and slow with Grant Hill in there. Sort of like the Celtics were before Avery Bradley came into the team. I wonder if Mbah a Moute can't offer you more as a starter than as a reserve.

Plus, when playing SF, the more minutes Mbah a Moute can get alongside jump-shooting bigs like Tim Duncan and David West the better ... due to his own limitations offensively. They'll help balance out his weaknesses.

Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2012, 11:17:20 AM »

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C:  Duncan (28)/ Dalembert (20)/ Hollins (garbage)
Pf: West   (32)/ Mbah A Moute( 8 )/ Allen ( 8 )
SF: Hill (22)/ Mbah A Moute (23)/ CJ Miles (3)
SG: Kobe   (34)/ George Hill (10) / CJ Miles (4)
PG: George Hill(25)/ Jason Kidd (20)/ Reggie Jackson (3)

Coach: Phil Jackson

Why did you decide to change your starting lineup?

To play Grant Hill ahead of Mbah a Moute.

Well I think in the end Mbah and Hill will be splitting the playing time, but I thought ending the game and begining the game were areas where Hill could help me most.  Help the other players get into an offensive groove early and help facilitate things late.

I liked Mbah a Moute there because he is a very athletic and a top notch defender.

Your lineup gets quite old and slow with Grant Hill in there. Sort of like the Celtics were before Avery Bradley came into the team. I wonder if Mbah a Moute can't offer you more as a starter than as a reserve.

Plus, when playing SF, the more minutes Mbah a Moute can get alongside jump-shooting bigs like Tim Duncan and David West the better ... due to his own limitations offensively. They'll help balance out his weaknesses.

I hear you but like I said, they will be splitting the minutes, Mbah will get plenty of time with the starters and will be on the floor in offense/defense situations towards the end of games.

To be honest it may have more been a respect thing as to why I have Hill in there with the starters.  But Mbah will get his playing time and a good amount of it.  31 Minutes which is more than he has played so far in his career.  He will be a big part of our team
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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2012, 11:28:52 AM »

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Kobe shot the ball at an amazing rate last year. How do you ensure the ball is spread out more so west and Duncan are consistently more involved then Bynum and gasol were at times. Kobe loves hero ball but that seems to be a detriment now to his teams at this point in his career.

Why would you want to?

Neither Duncan or David West are as strong shot-creators as Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum were. They are however much more effective playing off of Kobe and at creating space for Kobe to operate closer to the basket because of their jump-shooting prowess.

Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2012, 11:42:47 AM »

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Re: 2012 CB Draft Southeast Division Press Conferences
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2012, 11:47:07 AM »

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Question for Orlando:

You say you think you are deepest team but have you seen the Wizards?
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2758/marcin-gortat
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1026/gerald-wallace
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2799/lou-williams
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3211/spencer-hawes
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3965/dejuan-blair
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2444/jr-smith
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3018/steve-novak
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/63/chauncey-billups
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2439/jameer-nelson
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4235/greg-stiemsma
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3418/michael-beasley

Yea but I think my depth is better than yours. You got guys who are going to want touches that arent going to get as many as they would like. My team has depth and compliements each other very well. Outside of Amar'e no one needs a ton of touches. Everyone will get their fair share of touches. I think Washington will have trouble getting everyone touches. I'm also not a big Gortat fan.

Lamar Odom: Took 7 shots a game for 6.6 PPG
Marvin Williams: Took 8.2 shots for 10.2 PPG
Vince Carter: Took 8.9 shots for 10.1 PPG

i can go on and on but these guys need the ball especially Odom

I disagree that Marvin Williams needs to have the ball, he'll get his shots along with Carter who will get shots. Odom will easily get his shots by leading the second team and get extra minutes paired up with Amar'e.
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