Jeff Green - 2nd worst contract of the summer

[indeedproceed]

This is again hilarious.

Batum no where to be found.  Same stats except a better 3 pt %, 3 million more per year.

Batum's contract was bad as well, but if you're looking at SF prospects, its like comparing Kyrie Irving to Jeremy Lin.

[Snakehead]

This is again hilarious.

Batum no where to be found.  Same stats except a better 3 pt %, 3 million more per year.

Batum's contract was bad as well, but if you're looking at SF prospects, its like comparing Kyrie Irving to Jeremy Lin.

I don't agree its that much of a gap at all.  Batum is younger but only 3 years.  I think he could make a leap but I wouldn't be surprised if he never gets much better.  I certainly don't see him becoming an All-Star.

We will see though.

Regardless, the fact that he isn't there and Green is so high invalidates the whole list.  To this point, they have the same stats and abilities.

[colincb]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against?

  According to his agent, about 14 teams were looking at Green.

And the question is What claim earned David Falk SI's prestigious 2012 Pinocchio Award for Sports Agents? 

[BballTim]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against?

  According to his agent, about 14 teams were looking at Green.

And the question is What claim earned David Falk SI's prestigious 2012 Pinocchio Award for Sports Agents?

  I can't believe that people think that Danny would really call the agent of a player that no team is trying to sign and just offer him a contract like that out of the blue.

[Chris]

I still am not convinced Green can't be basically Danny Granger, with a little less range, but a little better mid-range and low post game.  They both are volume shooters, and kind of in the power 3 mould.  The big difference is that Granger has spent almost his whole career as the primary scorer on his team, while Green has been surounded by hall of fame level scorers his whole career.

And BTW, I mean this as much as a slight on Granger as I do as a compliment to Green.  They are both flawed players. 

[Fafnir]

I still am not convinced Green can't be basically Danny Granger, with a little less range, but a little better mid-range and low post game.  They both are volume shooters, and kind of in the power 3 mould.  The big difference is that Granger has spent almost his whole career as the primary scorer on his team, while Green has been surounded by hall of fame level scorers his whole career.

And BTW, I mean this as much as a slight on Granger as I do as a compliment to Green.  They are both flawed players.

I think the biggest difference is that Granger can be very assertive offensively.

Green just hasn't been that sort of aggressive player, wasn't in college and he wasn't in the pros.

[colincb]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against?

  According to his agent, about 14 teams were looking at Green.

And the question is What claim earned David Falk SI's prestigious 2012 Pinocchio Award for Sports Agents?

  I can't believe that people think that Danny would really call the agent of a player that no team is trying to sign and just offer him a contract like that out of the blue.

And I can't believe David Falk's claim of 14 teams being interested in Jeff Green or his other claim that:

"With the possible exception of Deron Williams, I think that Jeff will probably be the No. 1 unrestricted free agent on the market."

...which was disqualified by the SI judges as being beyond belief of any human capable of understanding that a dime is worth more than a nickel despite its smaller size.

[Celtic#9]

4. Nick Young - 76ers - 1 year at $6 million
5. O.J. Mayo - Mavericks - 2 years at $4 million/year
6. Chris Kaman - Mavericks - 1 year at $8 million
8. Kirk Hinrich - Bulls - 2 years at $3 million/year
9. Raymond Felton - Knicks - 3 years + a player option at $3.3 million/year

Those really aren't horrible contracts and some of them are even good.

I agree with whoever said Gerald Wallace's $40 million over 4 is crazy. So is Kirilenko's $20 million over 2. As well as Batum,'s and Asik's contract.

[pearljammer10]

4. Nick Young - 76ers - 1 year at $6 million
5. O.J. Mayo - Mavericks - 2 years at $4 million/year
6. Chris Kaman - Mavericks - 1 year at $8 million
8. Kirk Hinrich - Bulls - 2 years at $3 million/year
9. Raymond Felton - Knicks - 3 years + a player option at $3.3 million/year

Those really aren't horrible contracts and some of them are even good.

I agree with whoever said Gerald Wallace's $40 million over 4 is crazy. So is Kirilenko's $20 million over 2. As well as Batum,'s and Asik's contract.

I don't see how any of those, aside from maybe Kaman, could be considered bad contracts. I would have taken anyone on that list at any of those prices. Those are steals.

[Chris]

I still am not convinced Green can't be basically Danny Granger, with a little less range, but a little better mid-range and low post game.  They both are volume shooters, and kind of in the power 3 mould.  The big difference is that Granger has spent almost his whole career as the primary scorer on his team, while Green has been surounded by hall of fame level scorers his whole career.

And BTW, I mean this as much as a slight on Granger as I do as a compliment to Green.  They are both flawed players.

I think the biggest difference is that Granger can be very assertive offensively.

Green just hasn't been that sort of aggressive player, wasn't in college and he wasn't in the pros.

I agree.  Although Green WAS assertive in the couple games where they rested the regulars at the end of the season.  There is no evidence to back this up, because of the teams he has played on (remember, he was on a very good, and very structured G-Town team), but I would not be surprised if he could be just as aggressive, if he was asked to be on a regular basis.

The problem is, if you are asking him to be that aggressive, you probably don't have that great a team.

[Interceptor]

  I can't believe that people think that Danny would really call the agent of a player that no team is trying to sign and just offer him a contract like that out of the blue.

This also bothers me as well. It doesn't make sense to offer a contract like this unless he is either competing for Green (I think Minny), or buying some goodwill. Ainge not known for overpaying.

[ScoobyDoo]

I don't have a problem with the Jason Terry, Courtney lee or Jeff Green signings whatsoever.

1. By all accounts, these three guys are all really solid teammates who "really wanted" to be here, in Boston, on this team. There is incredible value to me in that because it bodes well for overall team chemistry, which is critical if you want any legit shot at the ring.

2. I see us having a legit two year window at this point, provided Rondo, Pierce and KG stay relatively healthy. What we need is "very solid" depth from guys coming off the bench who can also start when needed. Terry, Lee and Green can all do this - that is something we haven't had since 2008 and it's critical given the ages of KG and Pierce.

3. Jason Terry doesnt' "have" to be in his prime. For the next two years he needs to play about 15-20 minutes a night and be Eddie House / Vinnie Johnson. - I think he's more than capable of doing that.

4. Courtney Lee doesn't have to be Ray Allen  - he just needs to play great defense, run like hell with Rondo and hit his shots when he's open.

5. Jeff Green just needs to play valuable minutes behind Pierce, help bring Pierce's minutes down for the next two years. That is worth $9 million per year because it means you have a very good shot at keeping Pierce incredibly fresh all season and for the playoffs when it matters most. I can live with Jeff Green's $9 million for year three as a starter at the SF position and he's trade bait as an expiring in year four if he doesn't pan out. Not a big deal. Additionally, he can play some small ball at the four when asked to.
** Give Jeff Green a year of defensive work with Doc and KG and a full year of running on the break with Rondo and get back to me about how you feel about his $9 mil per year.

Overall - I see the Lee, Terry and Green signings as championship moves. I think Doc and Danny - rightfully so - think that if this team remains healthy, they have a legitimate title shots this year and next - that's all that matters.

And personally, I think we crush Miami with this team - we are the favortie out of the east IMHO.

You add, Jason Collins, Chris Wilcox, Sullinger, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry and Avery Bradley to a team that was one game away from the finals last year?...

Time will tell but if we gel and stay healthy, this could be one of the most dominant Celtics teams in the Pierce / KG / Rondo era. That would put it up there with the most dominant Celtic teams ever.

I have very high hopes for this season.

And I also think Jeff Green is an eventual 18 and 7 starting small forward / 3rd or 4th option on a rebuilt Celtics team lead by Rondo in 3-4 years from now. He can play that role. Rondo, another max guy or two and then Green as your pecking order in a starting five.

Kind of like Rondo, KG, Pierce and then Green on this team...     

[BballTim]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against?

  According to his agent, about 14 teams were looking at Green.

And the question is What claim earned David Falk SI's prestigious 2012 Pinocchio Award for Sports Agents?

  I can't believe that people think that Danny would really call the agent of a player that no team is trying to sign and just offer him a contract like that out of the blue.

And I can't believe David Falk's claim of 14 teams being interested in Jeff Green or his other claim that:

"With the possible exception of Deron Williams, I think that Jeff will probably be the No. 1 unrestricted free agent on the market."

...which was disqualified by the SI judges as being beyond belief of any human capable of understanding that a dime is worth more than a nickel despite its smaller size.

  How many other teams besides the Celts had an interest in Green? How much money and how many years were other teams offering? Which unrestricted free agents besides Deron were more sought after than Green? Enlighten us with your knowledge.

[Chris]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against?

  According to his agent, about 14 teams were looking at Green.

And the question is What claim earned David Falk SI's prestigious 2012 Pinocchio Award for Sports Agents?

  I can't believe that people think that Danny would really call the agent of a player that no team is trying to sign and just offer him a contract like that out of the blue.

Yeah, I would be shocked if 14 teams WEREN'T interested in Green.  They probably were not all interested him in the kind of money he got, but I am surprised more teams didn't call to at least find out the asking price. 

For all his question-marks, he was still a young, talented wing, who has been productive throughout his career, and who I imagine many teams thought could be had for a bargain price.  So, of course they would be interested.

[CelticHooligan3]

I don't have a problem with the Jason Terry, Courtney lee or Jeff Green signings whatsoever.

1. By all accounts, these three guys are all really solid teammates who "really wanted" to be here, in Boston, on this team. There is incredible value to me in that because it bodes well for overall team chemistry, which is critical if you want any legit shot at the ring.

2. I see us having a legit two year window at this point, provided Rondo, Pierce and KG stay relatively healthy. What we need is "very solid" depth from guys coming off the bench who can also start when needed. Terry, Lee and Green can all do this - that is something we haven't had since 2008 and it's critical given the ages of KG and Pierce.

3. Jason Terry doesnt' "have" to be in his prime. For the next two years he needs to play about 15-20 minutes a night and be Eddie House / Vinnie Johnson. - I think he's more than capable of doing that.

4. Courtney Lee doesn't have to be Ray Allen  - he just needs to play great defense, run like hell with Rondo and hit his shots when he's open.

5. Jeff Green just needs to play valuable minutes behind Pierce, help bring Pierce's minutes down for the next two years. That is worth $9 million per year because it means you have a very good shot at keeping Pierce incredibly fresh all season and for the playoffs when it matters most. I can live with Jeff Green's $9 million for year three as a starter at the SF position and he's trade bait as an expiring in year four if he doesn't pan out. Not a big deal. Additionally, he can play some small ball at the four when asked to.
** Give Jeff Green a year of defensive work with Doc and KG and a full year of running on the break with Rondo and get back to me about how you feel about his $9 mil per year.

Overall - I see the Lee, Terry and Green signings as championship moves. I think Doc and Danny - rightfully so - think that if this team remains healthy, they have a legitimate title shots this year and next - that's all that matters.

And personally, I think we crush Miami with this team - we are the favortie out of the east IMHO.

You add, Jason Collins, Chris Wilcox, Sullinger, Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, Jason Terry and Avery Bradley to a team that was one game away from the finals last year?...

Time will tell but if we gel and stay healthy, this could be one of the most dominant Celtics teams in the Pierce / KG / Rondo era. That would put it up there with the most dominant Celtic teams ever.

I have very high hopes for this season.

And I also think Jeff Green is an eventual 18 and 7 starting small forward / 3rd or 4th option on a rebuilt Celtics team lead by Rondo in 3-4 years from now. He can play that role. Rondo, another max guy or two and then Green as your pecking order in a starting five.

Kind of like Rondo, KG, Pierce and then Green on this team...   

Some very solid points here. TP.