Jeff Green - 2nd worst contract of the summer

[The Walker Wiggle]

Here's the full list

1. Brook Lopez - Nets - 4 years at $15 million/year
2. Jeff Green - Celtics - 4 years at $9 million/year
3. Michael Beasley - Suns - 3 years at $6 million/year
4. Nick Young - 76ers - 1 year at $6 million
5. O.J. Mayo - Mavericks - 2 years at $4 million/year
6. Chris Kaman - Mavericks - 1 year at $8 million
7. Jamal Crawford - Clippers - 4 years at $6.5 million/year
8. Kirk Hinrich - Bulls - 2 years at $3 million/year
9. Raymond Felton - Knicks - 3 years + a player option at $3.3 million/year
10. Marco Belinelli - Bulls - 1 year at $2 million

Belinelli and Hinrich are included less for their respective contracts than for the opportunity costs. Wins Produced far prefers two players the team let walk, Asik and Ronnie Brewer. Similarly Wins Produced favors Lin for more money over Felton for less.

[nickagneta]

This contract isn't signed so until it is and the details are released, I can't say its the worst contract signed this summer. It could contain outs for the C's based on health issues so that would mitigate a lot of the contract. Also, we don't even know if it is all guaranteed.

And....there's been a ton of bad contracts handed out, which I find hilarious after the owners locked out the players because they were they were losing so much money and couldn't afford the contracts the players were getting. But just keep handing:

Lin $25 million over 3 years
Asik $25 million over 3 years
Wallace $40 million over 4 years
Kirilenko $20 million over 2 years

And all the other ridiculous contracts teams hand out.

[LooseCannon]

And....there's been a ton of bad contracts handed out, which I find hilarious after the owners locked out the players because they were they were losing so much money and couldn't afford the contracts the players were getting. But just keep handing:

Lin $25 million over 3 years
Asik $25 million over 3 years

I don't think these contracts are horrible.  Their former teams would have easily been willing to match (and should have) if they had been allowed to pay the same structure that Houston will be charged against the salary cap, with equal amounts in each year.  There is risk involved, but these are at least reasonable risks.

[chambers]

This Chump has no idea. The last time Jeff green was given a real shot he started for the the thunder and put up decent numbers. I think It's reasonable to say that had he become a free agent then he'd be looking at 10 million + over 4 years.
I'm wondering how many of these critics actually saw him play for OKC when they sucked.

[colincb]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against? 

I do think we overpaid a bit on Lee, and maybe even Terry, but they're not terrible contracts by any means and they filled a big need. I do think Stiemsma was worth what he got, but I don't see him as being a big bargain given his feet.  Ray Allen has to be one of the top 10 best contracts BTW.

[goCeltics]

Wins Produced does favour high rebounding low usage guys with high %ts,

I think you can saturate your team with rebounding guys, and they become less productive. Also low usage guys put tons of pressure on their team-mates to score. I don't think wins produced accounts for these factors well

Nbageek is a good website, it allows you to compare guys per 48 minutes across categories, but wins produced has to be taken with a grain or perhaps bucket of salt.

Patrick the guy who runs NBageek is a timberwolves fan, he constantly points out kobe shortcomings (high volume shooter, and so-so ts%) so no he is not a lakers fan.

So Patrick doens't hate the c's he just going by what the numbers say.

I tend to somewhat agree with patrick that green contract is pretty bad bet on past production, but i think it has a some potential to pay off although it is a long shot, if he plays as a sf which he hasn't done cos he was playing with durrant in okie

[BballTim]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against?

  According to his agent, about 14 teams were looking at Green.

[Roy H.]

Can't say I agree with everything he says, particularly on the "good" contract side of the ledger, but have to agree with his read on the top 5-7 bad contracts.  Love his read on Mayo, who really sucks in my book, and it's pretty tough to argue about Green under the circumstances.  Who were we competing against?

  According to his agent, about 14 teams were looking at Green.

Of course, very few of those 14 teams could have offered Green $9 million per year, especially with no S&T option.

I do think a team like Minnesota or perhaps Phoenix could have given him a big contract, though.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm taking a wait and see attitude.  First comfirm the details of the contract.  Second see how Jeff Green performs on court. 

I'll admit I'm skeptical of him being able to prove he is worth the price.

Apparently Green was a "HUGE" part of DA's masterplan or core and he felt Green needed to be brought on board at even this price.

I think DA also thought Green was the best player at his postion he could bring in this year, given he has some experience with the team already. 

Green was too important not to sign in DA's thinking , so just have to see if the big contract pays dividends for the Celtics.

DOn't think its nearly bad overall as the OP makes it out to be.

[indeedproceed]

Jeff Green's contract is a terrible risk. If it was 9 million per for 2 yrs, that'd be acceptable. But for 4? Jeez. What happens if he doesn't get any better? We've got a 9 million dollar backup 3 who can't shoot a reliable 3 ball.

[Roy H.]

Jeff Green's contract is a terrible risk. If it was 9 million per for 2 yrs, that'd be acceptable. But for 4? Jeez. What happens if he doesn't get any better? We've got a 9 million dollar backup 3 who can't shoot a reliable 3 ball.

In terms of his play or his health?

I trust the doctors that this type of health condition isn't likely to limit him.  However, I get the sense that Danny is doing what he can in terms of contract language to prevent that from happening.

In terms of his play, it depends upon what expectations are.  Green has shown that he can be a good third option on a team with two stars.  He averaged 15 ppg beside Durant and Westbrook.  In an offense with better passers, Green should look a little better.  I think you saw the beginnings of that when he shot 48.5% with the Celtics.

Now, I don't think Green will be a star, like some people do.  He's going to be a cog, probably like a Caron Butler type.  Is that worth $9 million in today's league?  Well, no, it isn't, but teams are still willing to pay that.  I don't love the contract, either, but if the Twolves were offering Batum $12 million per season, I can easily see them throwing $9 per year at Green.

[Chris]

Here's the full list

1. Brook Lopez - Nets - 4 years at $15 million/year
2. Jeff Green - Celtics - 4 years at $9 million/year
3. Michael Beasley - Suns - 3 years at $6 million/year
4. Nick Young - 76ers - 1 year at $6 million
5. O.J. Mayo - Mavericks - 2 years at $4 million/year
6. Chris Kaman - Mavericks - 1 year at $8 million
7. Jamal Crawford - Clippers - 4 years at $6.5 million/year
8. Kirk Hinrich - Bulls - 2 years at $3 million/year
9. Raymond Felton - Knicks - 3 years + a player option at $3.3 million/year
10. Marco Belinelli - Bulls - 1 year at $2 million

Belinelli and Hinrich are included less for their respective contracts than for the opportunity costs. Wins Produced far prefers two players the team let walk, Asik and Ronnie Brewer. Similarly Wins Produced favors Lin for more money over Felton for less.

The wierd thing is, I would have put Mayo, Kaman, Hinrich, Felton, and Belinelli all in my top 10 of BEST contracts of the summer.

Mayo is still very young, and has been very productive at times in his career.  To get him for less than the MLE is a big win, and could pay off huge...particularly on a team like the Mavs, who needed scoring in their backcourt, and have a solid veteran base to help show him the way (even if they will also be teaching him to hit on college girls in German).

Kaman is a steal at basically the same contract Kwame Brown got last year.  You don't get quality centers on 1 year deals for bargains like that. 

Hinrich is a MLE level player, and a great bargain.

Felton was a classic buy low player, who was miserable in his situation and never got in shape for the short season, but will now be motivated and where he wants to be.  He will likely outplay PGs who are making twice as much.

And Belinelli, well, he is just a binky of mine, and I am convinced one of these days he is going to break out.  So, getting him for just a bit more than the minimum is a great deal in my book.

So, I can understand the thought that Green's contract was not good (although I would say it is more of a high risk, high reward, than a straight bad contract), but I have to imagine the person who made this original list is a hack.

[indeedproceed]

Jeff Green's contract is a terrible risk. If it was 9 million per for 2 yrs, that'd be acceptable. But for 4? Jeez. What happens if he doesn't get any better? We've got a 9 million dollar backup 3 who can't shoot a reliable 3 ball.

In terms of his play or his health?

I trust the doctors that this type of health condition isn't likely to limit him.  However, I get the sense that Danny is doing what he can in terms of contract language to prevent that from happening.

In terms of his play, it depends upon what expectations are.  Green has shown that he can be a good third option on a team with two stars.  He averaged 15 ppg beside Durant and Westbrook.  In an offense with better passers, Green should look a little better.  I think you saw the beginnings of that when he shot 48.5% with the Celtics.

Now, I don't think Green will be a star, like some people do.  He's going to be a cog, probably like a Caron Butler type.  Is that worth $9 million in today's league?  Well, no, it isn't, but teams are still willing to pay that.  I don't love the contract, either, but if the Twolves were offering Batum $12 million per season, I can easily see them throwing $9 per year at Green.

Green averaged 15ppg but at what cost? He was consistently out-produced by his counterpart on the other team, and we're not talking just elite players.

As a SF I've got higher hopes, but the fact remains that he's got a ways to go before you can even put up on equal footing with Caron Butler.

Well maybe 'now' Caron Butler, but now Caron Butler is 4 years removed from his 20ppg 6 rebounds, 5 assists and 46% shooting

[jasail]

I'm interested in what Green will bring.  His play in 2010-2011 means little to me as he was going from starter to bench player and trying to find a role on a team without an offensive identity, or perhaps better put a team struggling to find it's offensive identity. 

How many times in 2010-2011 did this team not know what it was doing on offense and spend possessions working an ISO match up or a screen set up shot.  I think this year, the car is all Rondo's and while they'll still run Pierce ISOs a lot of the offense is going to be generated in transition and with Rondo finding cutters and shooters in the lane. 

After watching how Bradley excelled last year, I'm very interested to see how Green and Lee develop their around this new C's offense. So, I think it's a little premature to judge Green's contract; the only thing we have to judge it from is a 3 months two seasons ago on an all together different team. 

[Snakehead]

This is again hilarious.

Batum no where to be found.  Same stats except a better 3 pt %, 3 million more per year.