Some perspective on Jared Sullinger, in case you still doubt him

[jyyzzoel]

Last year:
http://www.nesn.com/2011/02/jared-sulllinger-looking-like-consensus-no-1-pick-for-2011-nba-draft.html

and again

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/03/08/2011-nba-draft-schedule-setup/index.html

and lastly, i posted this before the draft, so now i'm just doing a cut and paste job, but it is relevant:

exhibit A: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jared-sullinger-1.html

these are sully's numbers. now dont just look at the points he scores. look at the win scores, offensive win score, and defensive win score.

snow compare them to glen davis:  http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/glen-davis-1.html sullinger destroys him in win scores, and baby had to stay in college 3 years to get those numbers.

now compared to dejuan blair: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dejuan-blair-1.html sullinger is still better.

now compared to kevin love:  http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-love-1.html ok. kevin love is better. easily. kevin love took one year in college to outdo sullinger's college career.

alos the younger a player is, the more time the player has to develop. basketball analytics show that players get better until they hit 25. they usually peak at 25, then ride out that peak till about 30, then from there on out usually get progressively worse.

love got drafted when he was 19, blair when he was 20, and davis when he was 21. sullinger will get drafted when he is 20. kevein love had better stats than him as a 19 year old, so sully probably won't be as good as kevin love, but he will surely be better than glen davis.

additionally, i've read people say that he hasn't got length, a vertical, etc. go here:  http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/

he's got a higher vertical than dejuan blair. he's got about the same length as dejuan blair.

now compare him to al jefferson: jeferson was slower in the agility test than sullinger.

now compare him to kevin love: they have the SAME no step vert,  BASICALLY the SAME no step vert reach, sully has a bigger wingspan, and kevin love has a bigger reach, but both only outdo the other by a little.

the david west comparison is fair: both in the combine results and in the win scores in college: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/david-west-1.html

but david west was 22 or 23 when he got drafted. sullingers got 2 years on him to improve. so this kid is basically going to be an all-star. he's not gonna run the fast break too well, but in the half-court he will do well.

now, when you take all of this into account, and you see the draft combine interview:   and see that he's a mature guy, who is very driven to succeed in basketball (motivation and work ethic go far in determining a players ceiling) - all this big baby 2.0 stuff is absurd.

im not saying sullinger isn't a risk if he's been medically red-flagged, but all in all his floor is dejuan blair, and his ceiling is kevin love (but he'll probably hit his just below that - say an al jefferson or elton brand or david west 2.0)

now before you all go saying i love the kid - im obsessed with the draft and i rank him as the 6th best prospect. if that kid drops to 21 and danny doesn't take him... im not going to be happy...

lastly listen to this from 26:15 explaining that sullinger's back will most likely return to 100%:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8112547

kid's gonna start for the celtics for the next 10 years (after this year probably) in my opinion.

[bfrombleacher]

he's got a higher vertical than dejuan blair. he's got about the same length as dejuan blair.

That's interesting. When I think of Dejuan Blair I think dunker. His (Blair's) arms are real long though.

TP

[rayallen1934]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

[jyyzzoel]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

you obviously didnt read anything i wrote.

[rayallen1934]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

you obviously didnt read anything i wrote.

I did

now please summarize your reasons why he will be good and a starter for 10 years, which is laughable.

[jyyzzoel]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

you obviously didnt read anything i wrote.

I did

now please summarize your reasons why he will be good and a starter for 10 years, which is laughable.

i believe i summarized everything as to why he will be good in the original post. as far as him being a starter for the next ten years (after this year), im not even going to try and argue with you. you're obviously very emotionally attached to your point of view, and just want to be told you're right. you havent even pointed out any specific criticism of any point in the argument i originally posted. i have at least been very analytical and provided evidence, measurements, fair comparisons based on metrics, etc. for my reasoning... you?

i dont really mind people disagreeing with me, in fact i love it, just please back up your argument/opinion with facts, so one can understand the reasoning that led you to the conclusion you came to. it annoys me for the same reason mark cuban doesn't like the arguments the espn guys try to persuade people with.

[EDWARDO]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

you obviously didnt read anything i wrote.

I did

now please summarize your reasons why he will be good and a starter for 10 years, which is laughable.

i believe i summarized everything as to why he will be good in the original post. as far as him being a starter for the next ten years (after this year), im not even going to try and argue with you. you're obviously very emotionally attached to your point of view, and just want to be told you're right. you havent even pointed out any specific criticism of any point in the argument i originally posted. i have at least been very analytical and provided evidence, measurements, fair comparisons based on metrics, etc. for my reasoning... you?

i dont really mind people disagreeing with me, in fact i love it, just please back up your argument/opinion with facts, so one can understand the reasoning that led you to the conclusion you came to. it annoys me for the same reason mark cuban doesn't like the arguments the espn guys try to persuade people with.

SUMMARIZE THEM AGAIN!!! YOUR FIRST SUMMARY DOESN'T FIT WITH MY OPINION!! I think is what he's trying to say.

[LarBrd33]

he was underwhelming in the summer league... terrible shooting percentages.  Struggled offensively.  Looked like a solid rebounder.

People pegged his ceiling as "poor man's Carlos Boozer"... seems like that might still be in play.

[rayallen1934]

he was underwhelming in the summer league... terrible shooting percentages.  Struggled offensively.  Looked like a solid rebounder.

People pegged his ceiling as "poor man's Carlos Boozer"... seems like that might still be in play.

More like a non shooting , not as good passer
Poor mans Boris Diaw

[chambers]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

They said the same thing about Kevin Love...

[cman88]

I like how everyone is using his summer league averages to say he wont be good...as if performance in the summer league is a barometer of how you are goign to do in the NBA

forget the 2years of college games where he put up 17ppg, 9RPG and shot over 50%

time will tell is sullinger is going to be a steal, I think he will....but theres no use arguing..90% of this board thought avery bradley was horrible..

[Smutzy#9]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

You seen a Kevin Love game before?

[ThaPreacher]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

Nice post on Jared Sullinger.  Don't sweat the doubters.  The proof is in front of us, not in summer league percentages.

From the Combine:

Jared Sullinger is 6'9.  He has a:

31 inch Vertical, 7'1 Wingspan, and 10.7 percent body fat.

31 inch vertical for a 6'9 player with a 7.1 Wingspan will qualify for some solid dunks.

The great thing here is that the 10.7 percent body fat can come down.

7.1 Wingspan.  Well you can't grow long.  And that is solid length.

Vertical can increase.  But put it in perspective.  

His 31 inch vertical is still 25 inches greater than yours.
The kid knows how to play.  By all accounts has impressed Ainge and Doc, which says alot to me.  

All the naysayers are the same ones who failed to believe in Avery Bradley.  Yes that's 98 percent of Celtics Blog.  LOL.

I'd rather have a smart player who knows how to play with a 31 inch vertical than one who doesn't, with a 40 inch vertical.  

[mctyson]

Cant Jump, Athleticism is not that good.

He is not going to come close to being a star ever.

you obviously didnt read anything i wrote.

I did

now please summarize your reasons why he will be good and a starter for 10 years, which is laughable.

Reasons you have stated he will not be good: can't jump, athleticism not that good

Reasons he has a good shot to be a starter for 10 years: everything else about his game, which made him a 2-time All American as a freshman and a sophomore in college

I win.

[RockinRyA]

he was underwhelming in the summer league... terrible shooting percentages.  Struggled offensively.  Looked like a solid rebounder.

People pegged his ceiling as "poor man's Carlos Boozer"... seems like that might still be in play.

More like a non shooting , not as good passer
Poor mans Boris Diaw

get over rays departure. youve been criticizing ainge's guys after he left.