Biannual Exception - Can we use it due to tax? How about Kenyon Martin?

[fairweatherfan]

It makes sense.  As much as I'd prefer that they bring back Dooling, for all we know the guard core is completely healthy all season and we get hammered with the injury bug in the frontcourt.   

I think my best case scenario would be to resign Dooling at vet min, hang onto Xmas and Joseph to fill out the roster, then wait for a buyout guy, outbid other teams with the BAE, and cut the lesser of Xmas/Joseph.

Rondo/Dooling
Lee/Jet/XMas (AB injured)
Pierce/Green/Joseph
KG/Bass
Sullinger/Wilcox/Collins/Melo

Positions and depth are fluid but that's a roster I can roll with, especially with the BAE still in our back pocket.


In fact, the reason we haven't heard much about Dooling may be because we're offering the minimum and he's pushing for the BAE.  Would seem to make sense.

I think this is well put. TP. I'd be tempted by a guy like Martin, but the smarter move would probably be to wait it out. With that said, i'm torn between Dooling (key relationship with Rondo) and Pietrus (nice length at the 2/3 for defensie purposes) -- I think i'd rather have the latter.

I don't think Pietrus can be had for the minimum - he's reportedly got a good-sized offer overseas.

[danglertx]

It makes sense.  As much as I'd prefer that they bring back Dooling, for all we know the guard core is completely healthy all season and we get hammered with the injury bug in the frontcourt.   

I think my best case scenario would be to resign Dooling at vet min, hang onto Xmas and Joseph to fill out the roster, then wait for a buyout guy, outbid other teams with the BAE, and cut the lesser of Xmas/Joseph.

Rondo/Dooling
Lee/Jet/XMas (AB injured)
Pierce/Green/Joseph
KG/Bass
Sullinger/Wilcox/Collins/Melo

Positions and depth are fluid but that's a roster I can roll with, especially with the BAE still in our back pocket.


In fact, the reason we haven't heard much about Dooling may be because we're offering the minimum and he's pushing for the BAE.  Would seem to make sense.

I think this is well put. TP. I'd be tempted by a guy like Martin, but the smarter move would probably be to wait it out. With that said, i'm torn between Dooling (key relationship with Rondo) and Pietrus (nice length at the 2/3 for defensie purposes) -- I think i'd rather have the latter.

I don't think Pietrus can be had for the minimum - he's reportedly got a good-sized offer overseas.

So did Christmas and he took a partially guaranteed camp invite.

[Sketch5]

Do the Cs still have room to use BE this offseason? It looks unlikely based on their existing deals and the tax level, noted here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254347-nba-sets-salary-cap-and-luxury-tax-level-for-2012-2013-season

and the info laid out here:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4696545/roster-reset-leaving-las-vegas
 
However, i so, interested to hear if folks think we should use this now -- and on who -- or wait and hold onto it?

One idea: Kenyon Martin. I'd like to see Chris Andersen join, but if not I'd like to see another versatile defender on the team. Feel like K-Mart would fit in nicely... block shots, board, dunk, talk junk, etc.

I believe we still have it, and are hanging on to it for a rainy day... unless we use it on Pietrus (unlikely with Lee coming over and Joseph likely making the team).

I would love Kenyon Martin in a basketball sense. He's old, but he still gives quality minutes off the bench in terms of scoring and rebounding. If Sully doesn't pan out or someone goes down to injury, he's a great option.

My only worry is his attitude. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he have a history of being destructive to a locker room environment?

Yeah, Martin has never been known as a locker room guy in the positive....Lets hope Miami takes him!

[AB_Celtic]

Rondo/Dooling
Lee/Jet/XMas (AB injured)
Pierce/Green/Joseph
KG/Bass
Sullinger/Wilcox/Collins/Melo

Whoa whoa whoa.
1. KG will play the majority of the Celtics' minutes at the 5 (25 or more)
2. No way Sullinger starts over Bass and Wilcox until he proves something

More like:
PF: Bass, Sullinger
C: Garnett, Wilcox, Collins, Melo

With Sullinger playing around 5 minutes at the 5 as well, and Melo getting almost zero minutes (sorry Fabricio).

[Sketch5]

As long as the legal situation is done with, I'd rather have the Birdman as starting center. Then snag Dooling for a back up back up PG mentor, good locker room guy roll.

Rondo/Terry/Dooling
Lee/AB/Terry
PP/Green/Joseph
Kg/Bass/Sully
Birdman/Wilcox/Collins/Melo

Now that teams can pull guys from the D league any time, Joseph and Melo can get some work down there.

[gpap]

I'd be all for getting KMart

[fairweatherfan]

Rondo/Dooling
Lee/Jet/XMas (AB injured)
Pierce/Green/Joseph
KG/Bass
Sullinger/Wilcox/Collins/Melo

Whoa whoa whoa.
1. KG will play the majority of the Celtics' minutes at the 5 (25 or more)
2. No way Sullinger starts over Bass and Wilcox until he proves something

More like:
PF: Bass, Sullinger
C: Garnett, Wilcox, Collins, Melo

With Sullinger playing around 5 minutes at the 5 as well, and Melo getting almost zero minutes (sorry Fabricio).

Read the next sentence after your quote.    I was just laying out the roster.  I do believe we're at least going to try playing KG at the 4, though, since he hates the 5 so much. 

[crimson_stallion]

Do the Cs still have room to use BE this offseason? It looks unlikely based on their existing deals and the tax level, noted here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254347-nba-sets-salary-cap-and-luxury-tax-level-for-2012-2013-season

and the info laid out here:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4696545/roster-reset-leaving-las-vegas
 
However, i so, interested to hear if folks think we should use this now -- and on who -- or wait and hold onto it?

One idea: Kenyon Martin. I'd like to see Chris Andersen join, but if not I'd like to see another versatile defender on the team. Feel like K-Mart would fit in nicely... block shots, board, dunk, talk junk, etc.

I believe we still have it, and are hanging on to it for a rainy day... unless we use it on Pietrus (unlikely with Lee coming over and Joseph likely making the team).

I would love Kenyon Martin in a basketball sense. He's old, but he still gives quality minutes off the bench in terms of scoring and rebounding. If Sully doesn't pan out or someone goes down to injury, he's a great option.

My only worry is his attitude. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he have a history of being destructive to a locker room environment?

Yeah, Martin has never been known as a locker room guy in the positive....Lets hope Miami takes him!

No!!!

Miami gets that guy it strengthens their front court significantly, that's the last thing we want.  Giving them a bench if Haslem/Martin/Battier/Allen/Cole does us no favours...

I'd sign him just so they can't...plus we need all the toughness we can get...I just don't see where his minutes would come.  That's said Sullinger and Wilcox both have a history of injury, so the insurance definately wouldn't hurt...that's probably my most worried about position right now for exactly that reason.

[Sketch5]

Do the Cs still have room to use BE this offseason? It looks unlikely based on their existing deals and the tax level, noted here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254347-nba-sets-salary-cap-and-luxury-tax-level-for-2012-2013-season

and the info laid out here:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4696545/roster-reset-leaving-las-vegas
 
However, i so, interested to hear if folks think we should use this now -- and on who -- or wait and hold onto it?

One idea: Kenyon Martin. I'd like to see Chris Andersen join, but if not I'd like to see another versatile defender on the team. Feel like K-Mart would fit in nicely... block shots, board, dunk, talk junk, etc.

I believe we still have it, and are hanging on to it for a rainy day... unless we use it on Pietrus (unlikely with Lee coming over and Joseph likely making the team).

I would love Kenyon Martin in a basketball sense. He's old, but he still gives quality minutes off the bench in terms of scoring and rebounding. If Sully doesn't pan out or someone goes down to injury, he's a great option.

My only worry is his attitude. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he have a history of being destructive to a locker room environment?

Yeah, Martin has never been known as a locker room guy in the positive....Lets hope Miami takes him!

No!!!

Miami gets that guy it strengthens their front court significantly, that's the last thing we want.  Giving them a bench if Haslem/Martin/Battier/Allen/Cole does us no favours...

I'd sign him just so they can't...plus we need all the toughness we can get...I just don't see where his minutes would come.  That's said Sullinger and Wilcox both have a history of injury, so the insurance definately wouldn't hurt...that's probably my most worried about position right now for exactly that reason.

It was a joke, "because he would destroy the locker room"...Of course as a player i wouldn't want them to get him...

[ssspence]

It makes sense.  As much as I'd prefer that they bring back Dooling, for all we know the guard core is completely healthy all season and we get hammered with the injury bug in the frontcourt.   

I think my best case scenario would be to resign Dooling at vet min, hang onto Xmas and Joseph to fill out the roster, then wait for a buyout guy, outbid other teams with the BAE, and cut the lesser of Xmas/Joseph.

Rondo/Dooling
Lee/Jet/XMas (AB injured)
Pierce/Green/Joseph
KG/Bass
Sullinger/Wilcox/Collins/Melo

Positions and depth are fluid but that's a roster I can roll with, especially with the BAE still in our back pocket.


In fact, the reason we haven't heard much about Dooling may be because we're offering the minimum and he's pushing for the BAE.  Would seem to make sense.

I think this is well put. TP. I'd be tempted by a guy like Martin, but the smarter move would probably be to wait it out. With that said, i'm torn between Dooling (key relationship with Rondo) and Pietrus (nice length at the 2/3 for defensie purposes) -- I think i'd rather have the latter.

I don't think Pietrus can be had for the minimum - he's reportedly got a good-sized offer overseas.

So did Christmas and he took a partially guaranteed camp invite.

I didn't get to watch much summer league, but i'm interested in whether Christmas or Joseph could become an energetic man defender off the bench on 2s AND 3s in limited minutes. If so,  I'd like to avoid giving Pietrus above the minimum considering how few minutes there appear to be for him.

[kp4000]

Do the Cs still have room to use BE this offseason? It looks unlikely based on their existing deals and the tax level, noted here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254347-nba-sets-salary-cap-and-luxury-tax-level-for-2012-2013-season

and the info laid out here:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4696545/roster-reset-leaving-las-vegas
 
However, i so, interested to hear if folks think we should use this now -- and on who -- or wait and hold onto it?

One idea: Kenyon Martin. I'd like to see Chris Andersen join, but if not I'd like to see another versatile defender on the team. Feel like K-Mart would fit in nicely... block shots, board, dunk, talk junk, etc.

Not sure, but it's up to Danny Ainge to sign Martin or Anderson. I'm surprise teams haven't snatch one of the two already. Still it would be nice to have one of the two, because they add toughness.

[billysan]

Yes to Birdman or KMart in that order.

It makes sense.  As much as I'd prefer that they bring back Dooling, for all we know the guard core is completely healthy all season and we get hammered with the injury bug in the frontcourt.   

I think my best case scenario would be to resign Dooling at vet min, hang onto Xmas and Joseph to fill out the roster, then wait for a buyout guy, outbid other teams with the BAE, and cut the lesser of Xmas/Joseph.

Rondo/Dooling
Lee/Jet/XMas (AB injured)
Pierce/Green/Joseph
KG/Bass
Sullinger/Wilcox/Collins/Melo

Positions and depth are fluid but that's a roster I can roll with, especially with the BAE still in our back pocket.


In fact, the reason we haven't heard much about Dooling may be because we're offering the minimum and he's pushing for the BAE.  Would seem to make sense.

I think this is well put. TP. I'd be tempted by a guy like Martin, but the smarter move would probably be to wait it out. With that said, i'm torn between Dooling (key relationship with Rondo) and Pietrus (nice length at the 2/3 for defensie purposes) -- I think i'd rather have the latter.

I don't think Pietrus can be had for the minimum - he's reportedly got a good-sized offer overseas.

So did Christmas and he took a partially guaranteed camp invite.

I didn't get to watch much summer league, but i'm interested in whether Christmas or Joseph could become an energetic man defender off the bench on 2s AND 3s in limited minutes. If so,  I'd like to avoid giving Pietrus above the minimum considering how few minutes there appear to be for him.

I watched most of the games and Joseph looked pretty good although he was definitely playing hurt toward the last few games. He has a better handle than I expected and played some decent defense.

Christmas looks like a combo guard with a good enough handle at 6'5" to play some backup pg. He did bring the ball up and run quite few plays this summer. Good decisions, hustle and generating offense are what got him the camp contract IMO. He also rebounded really well for his position. I dont think his defense is better than average and would say it is not a real strength.

[ssspence]

Thought I'd update this thread with the details of the BAE from Larry Coon:

BI-ANNUAL EXCEPTION -- This exception is available only to teams that are below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the apron cannot use this exception if doing so takes them above the apron. It cannot be used if the team has already used the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or the Room Mid-Level exception. It allows a team to sign any free agent, starting at up to the following amounts:

Season   First-year salary
2011-12   $1.900 million
2012-13   $1.957 million
2013-14   $2.016 million
2014-15   $2.077 million
2015-16   $2.139 million
2016-17   $2.203 million
2017-18   $2.269 million
2018-19   $2.337 million
2019-20   $2.407 million
2020-21   $2.479 million

This exception may not be used two years in a row (and if this exception was used under the previous CBA in 2010-11, it may not be used in 2011-12). It may be split and given to more than one player, and can be used to sign players for up to two years, with raises limited to 4.5%. Also see question number 26 for more information on the availability and use of this exception.

A team that uses its Bi-Annual exception cannot go above the apron for the remainder of that season. In other words, once a team uses its Bi-Annual exception, the apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season4. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use its Bi-Annual exception and subsequently add salary to go above the apron, when doing so in the opposite order (adding salary first, and then using the exception) would be illegal.

A different team salary definition is used for determining whether a team is above or below the apron. See question number 14 for details. In addition, this exception begins to pro-rate downward daily starting on January 10 each season (see question numbers 26 and 28), and expires following the last day of the regular season.

[feckless]

Martin and Andersen are injury prone, locker room cancerous bums...no ubuntu, no team, bad attitude and bad citizens..I do not want them any where near the Celtics!

[Cman]

I think the Cs will wait to use it next year, unless someone very interesting is bought out before the trade deadline this year.