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Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2012, 05:13:37 PM »

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does no one else see that avery will prob get traded?  
They're not trading Bradley. Danny and Doc know talent...and he is one.

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2012, 08:11:32 PM »

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Bradley is here to stay get use to it. Why get rid of a guy that can single handedly lock down on D WADE. Talk about stupid.

He had a nice block and did better than expected, but locking down Wade? Wade had 15 and 20 points in the two games, he played against us with Bradley as the starter.

As for Jonas Valenciunas, he was the MVP in the 2011 FIBA Under-19 World Championship, which Lithuania won (USA was no. 5, with players such as Jeremy Lamb, Meyers Leonard, Kendall Marshall and Tim Hardaway Jr.). V. will be the starting center for the Raptors soon enough, and will probably compete for ROY. The only reason he dropped to fifth pick last year was buyout problems with his team in Lithuania.

Just watch him in the Olympics. We would have to give up a lot more than Bradley to get him.

Besides that, I want to keep Bradley around for a long time :)
You're not gonna completely shut down a superstar like wade. When you got him scoring 15 20 a night rather than 25 30 which he is very capable of doing then you're doing a good job.

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2012, 08:45:47 PM »

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Bradley is here to stay get use to it. Why get rid of a guy that can single handedly lock down on D WADE. Talk about stupid.

He had a nice block and did better than expected, but locking down Wade? Wade had 15 and 20 points in the two games, he played against us with Bradley as the starter.

As for Jonas Valenciunas, he was the MVP in the 2011 FIBA Under-19 World Championship, which Lithuania won (USA was no. 5, with players such as Jeremy Lamb, Meyers Leonard, Kendall Marshall and Tim Hardaway Jr.). V. will be the starting center for the Raptors soon enough, and will probably compete for ROY. The only reason he dropped to fifth pick last year was buyout problems with his team in Lithuania.

Just watch him in the Olympics. We would have to give up a lot more than Bradley to get him.

Besides that, I want to keep Bradley around for a long time :)
You're not gonna completely shut down a superstar like wade. When you got him scoring 15 20 a night rather than 25 30 which he is very capable of doing then you're doing a good job.

I just wouldn't say that it was lock down defense. Bradley had his hands full, and as LarBrd33 noted, Wade was definitely injured at the time. Still very impressive against the best shooting guard in the world.

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2012, 08:50:37 PM »

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Bradley is here to stay get use to it. Why get rid of a guy that can single handedly lock down on D WADE. Talk about stupid.

He had a nice block and did better than expected, but locking down Wade? Wade had 15 and 20 points in the two games, he played against us with Bradley as the starter.

As for Jonas Valenciunas, he was the MVP in the 2011 FIBA Under-19 World Championship, which Lithuania won (USA was no. 5, with players such as Jeremy Lamb, Meyers Leonard, Kendall Marshall and Tim Hardaway Jr.). V. will be the starting center for the Raptors soon enough, and will probably compete for ROY. The only reason he dropped to fifth pick last year was buyout problems with his team in Lithuania.

Just watch him in the Olympics. We would have to give up a lot more than Bradley to get him.

Besides that, I want to keep Bradley around for a long time :)
You're not gonna completely shut down a superstar like wade. When you got him scoring 15 20 a night rather than 25 30 which he is very capable of doing then you're doing a good job.

I just wouldn't say that it was lock down defense. Bradley had his hands full, and as LarBrd33 noted, Wade was definitely injured at the time. Still very impressive against the best shooting guard in the world.
yeah like he was hurt in the Pacers series and magically healed overnight.
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Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2012, 08:54:34 PM »

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does no one else see that avery will prob get traded?  

ABsolute Zero is not getting traded because we signed Terry or Lee.  He is 21 years old.  By the time their contracts are up AB0 will be barely older than a graduate from college.

I think there is some concern with this health, as there should be.  But the idea that he is destined to the trading block because we have Jason Terry is nonsense.

However...he is clearly our best trading chip after Rondo, and maybe Pierce.  He is probably the only other player on our team that, in a package, could net us a current All-Star.

I wouldn't trade him though.  He will be a 1st-team All NBA Defensive player.  Those don't fall off of trees. 

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2012, 09:12:51 PM »

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does no one else see that avery will prob get traded?  it might be half way through the season like perk was, but i think it'll happen.  it's the most logical thing to do, hear me out:

ive heard a bunch of times doc say avery cant play point. he's a SG. what is jason terry? he's mainly a shooting guard who can play point guard, but only if necessary. he'll mostly play SG. courtney lee just got signed for 4 years. the jet got signed for 3 years. if dionte christmas makes the team, how many SG's will we have?  back-up point guards are easy to come by.

what arent easy to come by are centers. i don't care what anyone says, except for fab melo (but he's so raw he doesnt count), we dont have a legit 5. stiemsma is going to minny. kg is a PF who reluctantly plays the C position.

now if im danny, and i look at my tradeable assets i have pietrus and dooling (and maybe stiemsma?) in sign and trades, i have avery (who is basically getting replaced by courtney lee, i have a 2013 first rounder, two 2014 2nd rounders, and a 2015 first rounder to try and someway find a decent starting center. (the 2014 first rounder wouldn't and couldn't be traded in such a scenario coz you can only trade a 1st every two years)

the life of the current team is basically at least 3 years now.  but how would you go about getting a starting center with the assets danny has?

i love avery. i knew he was gonna eventually turn into a beast when everyone else said he didn't belong in the nba, but don't you think the writing's on the wall? i saw the writing on the wall before perk got traded - and i love perk, but danny is a logical dude, no emotion - like the aliens from the tv show V  :)

maybe im wrong  :)

I do think you're wrong.  Bradley coming off double shoulder surgery would not have great value so you would selling  low on him which isn't smart and Danny is pretty smart.  Also, KG can play center in today's NBA against most centers.  Besides about 5 or 6 centers he can hold his own.  I do think they will sign a big man though. 

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2012, 09:24:20 PM »

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I'm not nearly as high on Avery Bradley as most of this forum is.  I still see him as a backup.  He's an extremely undersized shooting guard best suited for the bench and it seems Jason Terry has that role locked up.  Courtney Lee seems like someone who makes more sense as a starting shooting guard.  If not, I'd prefer starting Pierce at SG and JEff Green at his natural SF.  Jeff sure as heck is getting paid like a starter. 

If Bradley has any trade value, I think he should be used in trade package for a legit big.  Unfortunately, I don't see any reason why he'd have trade value.  He had a month of solid shooting and a small sample size of aggressive defense... that's not enough to really build up a lot of interest around the league.  Boston probably values him a heck of a lot more than any team outside of Boston.  I said prior to the draft that I didn't even think we could get a mid 1st rounder straight up for Bradley... people on this forum have an unrealistic perception of him.

But who knows... maybe he defies the odds and becomes a consistent starting shooting guard despite the fact he's 6'2 and 180 pounds.

Bold statements. Doc and Ainge sacrificed a HOFer and probably the best sniper of all time for him. But, you don't see any reason why he'd have trade value? Well you should've told us before we showed Ray the door!

I think you're mistaking unconventional with expendable. The league is changing, and so are positional roles that fit inside a neat little box. The prototypical player today is becoming a big that plays like a guard - that's why a role player like Batum is getting paid so well. While Avery isn't your typical body for an SG, he can be highly productive in a lot of different ways. Being 6'2" 180 doesn't limit him on defense - he guards PGs, full court, and he succeeds guarding larger players (comparing him to Joe Johnson is silly here, btw - he's the worst match-up possible for a small 2 and, obviously, adjustments are made on him), because he's such a lock-down guy. I've watched him shut down talented SFs on defense because he's in their shorts the second they touch the ball.

He's also just plain freaky. He plays higher above the rim than guys 6'9"; he finishes tremendously well around the rim (see fast break dunk on Durant). He has a high bball IQ and plays well off the ball w/ Rondo (he's faster), which couldn't be more important for our offense. He can fill in at PG and run an offense effectively for that reason, as well as his raw physical talents. He has nice mechanics and shoots at a great clip - both spot up and pull up jumpers off the dribble. He's very aggressive but plays within himself as well. He's just tenacious, too, and he doesn't shy away from pressure. His defense can't be overvalued and, if you're concern is he's too small to defend at the 2, you're off... not only can he stick bigger guys, but he thrives on it. He's in your shorts full court. He changed our identity on defense, brought us back to the grittiness that made us so strong since Thibs. You can't place a high enough value on that. GMs would salivate to get him. Name another guy in the league like him in that regard...

The best part about the kid is he doesn't even realize how good he is yet. You can see in his mannerisms and movements that he's not completely sure of himself yet, not all that loose and fluid sometimes... it undoubtedly accounts for his attitude towards the game and it's downright scary to think how good he can become if he's healthy and starts to actually realize his potential. The kid is 21, he learned on the spot this past season, he's always ready to go - KG gushes over his work ethic - and he's probably cheaper than Wade's 2nd car.

He was the #1 prospect coming out of h.s., ahead of John Wall for a reason. And he has gotten himself to an NBA level really, really quickly.
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Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2012, 09:34:43 PM »

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Bradley is here to stay get use to it. Why get rid of a guy that can single handedly lock down on D WADE. Talk about stupid.

He had a nice block and did better than expected, but locking down Wade? Wade had 15 and 20 points in the two games, he played against us with Bradley as the starter.

As for Jonas Valenciunas, he was the MVP in the 2011 FIBA Under-19 World Championship, which Lithuania won (USA was no. 5, with players such as Jeremy Lamb, Meyers Leonard, Kendall Marshall and Tim Hardaway Jr.). V. will be the starting center for the Raptors soon enough, and will probably compete for ROY. The only reason he dropped to fifth pick last year was buyout problems with his team in Lithuania.

Just watch him in the Olympics. We would have to give up a lot more than Bradley to get him.

Besides that, I want to keep Bradley around for a long time :)
You're not gonna completely shut down a superstar like wade. When you got him scoring 15 20 a night rather than 25 30 which he is very capable of doing then you're doing a good job.

I just wouldn't say that it was lock down defense. Bradley had his hands full, and as LarBrd33 noted, Wade was definitely injured at the time. Still very impressive against the best shooting guard in the world.
yeah like he was hurt in the Pacers series and magically healed overnight.


You mean when they drained his knee between games?  He had a procedure that allowed him to play with more effectiveness.

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2012, 09:37:20 PM »

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Wouldnt be happy with trading Bradley but if it was inevitable Id welcome Bradley + filler & cash for Timofey Mozgov.

No thank you.. I wouldn't trade one of the most athletic young guys with lockdown defense and above average offense for an average backup center.. Let alone give cash AND Avery..
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Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2012, 10:11:11 PM »

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does no one else see that avery will prob get traded?  it might be half way through the season like perk was, but i think it'll happen.  it's the most logical thing to do, hear me out:

ive heard a bunch of times doc say avery cant play point. he's a SG. what is jason terry? he's mainly a shooting guard who can play point guard, but only if necessary. he'll mostly play SG. courtney lee just got signed for 4 years. the jet got signed for 3 years. if dionte christmas makes the team, how many SG's will we have?  back-up point guards are easy to come by.

what arent easy to come by are centers. i don't care what anyone says, except for fab melo (but he's so raw he doesnt count), we dont have a legit 5. stiemsma is going to minny. kg is a PF who reluctantly plays the C position.

now if im danny, and i look at my tradeable assets i have pietrus and dooling (and maybe stiemsma?) in sign and trades, i have avery (who is basically getting replaced by courtney lee, i have a 2013 first rounder, two 2014 2nd rounders, and a 2015 first rounder to try and someway find a decent starting center. (the 2014 first rounder wouldn't and couldn't be traded in such a scenario coz you can only trade a 1st every two years)

the life of the current team is basically at least 3 years now.  but how would you go about getting a starting center with the assets danny has?

i love avery. i knew he was gonna eventually turn into a beast when everyone else said he didn't belong in the nba, but don't you think the writing's on the wall? i saw the writing on the wall before perk got traded - and i love perk, but danny is a logical dude, no emotion - like the aliens from the tv show V  :)

maybe im wrong  :)
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Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2012, 10:23:21 PM »

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I highly doubt a team who's primary focus is defense trading a player that people say will be, or already is the best on ball defender in the league.

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2012, 10:38:38 PM »

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Wow - I hope not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYqVcDg048M

We'd be missing a lot.

This guy would miss him, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSKIq3siHHI

Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2012, 10:52:15 PM »

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I was thinking earlier today that AB could be on the block, simple because of the depth at the G position.

96 minutes to go around for Rondo, Terry and Lee. I still think you are gonna see Green and Pierce playing together at the 2/3.

But the problem is, we are approaching the tax apron and likely won't be able to find a big (our only need) who makes what AB does. Maybe package him with Green or Bass+fillers for Smith?
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Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2012, 10:56:51 PM »

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Bradley is here to stay get use to it. Why get rid of a guy that can single handedly lock down on D WADE. Talk about stupid.

He had a nice block and did better than expected, but locking down Wade? Wade had 15 and 20 points in the two games, he played against us with Bradley as the starter.

As for Jonas Valenciunas, he was the MVP in the 2011 FIBA Under-19 World Championship, which Lithuania won (USA was no. 5, with players such as Jeremy Lamb, Meyers Leonard, Kendall Marshall and Tim Hardaway Jr.). V. will be the starting center for the Raptors soon enough, and will probably compete for ROY. The only reason he dropped to fifth pick last year was buyout problems with his team in Lithuania.

Just watch him in the Olympics. We would have to give up a lot more than Bradley to get him.

Besides that, I want to keep Bradley around for a long time :)
No chance of getting Jonas for Bradley.  Chad Ford has said that Jonas would have "unquestionably" been the #2 pick in this draft behind Anthony Davis... "hands down".   Bradley is an extremely undersized shooting guard who had a month of inspired play when he was shooting lights out.... he then went back to shooting 36% (partially because of his injury).

Speaking of injuries... when Bradley matched up with Wade, Wade was definitely not him self.  He missed games before and after both matchups... Wade was injured and he still wasn't locked down.  Keep in mind, Wade is actually a bit undersized for a shooting guard as well.  When Bradley matched up with Joe Johnson during the regular season, Johnson abused him with size.



Do you see what you are doing here?  You are downplaying how Avery's injury troubles may have affected him in the playoffs, yet you are overplaying Dwayne Wade's injuries when playing against the Celtics.

Why the double standard?
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Re: i predict avery bradley will be traded
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2012, 10:58:48 PM »

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I was thinking earlier today that AB could be on the block, simple because of the depth at the G position.

96 minutes to go around for Rondo, Terry and Lee. I still think you are gonna see Green and Pierce playing together at the 2/3.

But the problem is, we are approaching the tax apron and likely won't be able to find a big (our only need) who makes what AB does. Maybe package him with Green or Bass+fillers for Smith?
With KG at center and the league going to a bunch of small ball you will see more and more of Pierce and Green not at the 2/3 but at the 3/4. Both players will put in significant minutes this year at the PF position with a three guard offense and Lee a de facto SF.

I think when all 4 guards are healthy, Rondo gets 35 MPG, Terry, 32 MPG and both Lee and Bradley about 27 MPG.