2012 - CB draft board "Let's get it on!"

[Roy H.]

Green is also able to switch to the 4 more than Granger is.

Granger has played better at PF than Green has.

A much better offensive player + a better defensive player. Equal rebounders.

Yeah, I don't buy that.  I'd prefer Green on defense.  Rebounding is similar, as is passing ability.  Granger is better on offense, but the gap isn't as big as some think.

The gap between Varejao and whoever we could grab at 6.1 is a lot bigger than the Granger / Green gap.  Plus, we landed two 6th rounders.

That's blatantly false.

Um, no?

We didn't expect to have your vote, anyway, so I'll take this with a grain of salt.

[Who]

Green is also able to switch to the 4 more than Granger is.

Granger has played better at PF than Green has.

A much better offensive player + a better defensive player. Equal rebounders.

Yeah, I don't buy that.  I'd prefer Green on defense.  Rebounding is similar, as is passing ability.  Granger is better on offense, but the gap isn't as big as some think.

Granger played a lot of power forward for the Pacers in 2010. About half of his minutes. Indiana won a lot of games (several big comebacks) by playing Granger at PF.

Granger played better there (at PF) than Jeff Green ever has. He is so much more skilled as scorer and does a much better job of punishing advantageous matchups. He also did a better job fighting bigger bodies for position in the post (defensively) than Green does.

[Edgar]

Trade I couldn't confirm until now, sorry guys!

DET trades Anderson Varejao, 6.3, 6.21, 10.3
DAL trades Danny Granger, 7.5, 8.1, 12.1

Steal for Dallas, IMHO.

May I ask why? I am not seeing it for Dallas.

Because as far as I am concerned Varejao is one of the best defensive frontcourt players in the league. He also rebounds and runs extremely well.

Granger to me has been getting less and less efficient and more and more turnover prone. I also think he's average at best on defense. With 6.1 and the ability to replace Granger with Green, not being able to get a player of Varejao's caliber at forward at 6.1, and picking up 2 6 rounders on top of everything else, for me makes this a steal for Dallas. It creates balance and depth without giving up that much at the small forward position(Granger's spot).

and 2 more 6th rounders?
or I am missing something
that will fill needs in every position early
IMHO
hope thats how it goes

Lucky and cff got a real goto guy
I am happy for Detroit too
i think thats one of the best best case scenario fo both
and they have a great 7 round to come

Trade I couldn't confirm until now, sorry guys!

DET trades Anderson Varejao, 6.3, 6.21, 10.3
DAL trades Danny Granger, 7.5, 8.1, 12.1

Edgar this says you got 6.3 and 6.21 on top of having 6.1.

Varejao is better for your team than Granger and easily replaceable with your current 6.1 pick.

6.3 is an upgrade from 7.5

6.21 is an upgrade from 8.1

10.3 is an upgrade from 12.1

yup
this was our thinkig nick
ty for putting this up that clear

i think we empower our team over all
and love that

[Edgar]

Green is also able to switch to the 4 more than Granger is.

Granger has played better at PF than Green has.

A much better offensive player + a better defensive player. Equal rebounders.

Yeah, I don't buy that.  I'd prefer Green on defense.  Rebounding is similar, as is passing ability.  Granger is better on offense, but the gap isn't as big as some think.

Granger played a lot of power forward for the Pacers in 2010. About half of his minutes. Indiana won a lot of games (several big comebacks) by playing Granger at PF.

Granger played better there (at PF) than Jeff Green ever has. He is so much more skilled as scorer and does a much better job of punishing advantageous matchups. He also did a better job fighting bigger bodies for position in the post (defensively) than Green does.

again We are not making a one on one trade here.

[nickagneta]

Green is also able to switch to the 4 more than Granger is.

Granger has played better at PF than Green has.

A much better offensive player + a better defensive player. Equal rebounders.

Yeah, I don't buy that.  I'd prefer Green on defense.  Rebounding is similar, as is passing ability.  Granger is better on offense, but the gap isn't as big as some think.

Granger played a lot of power forward for the Pacers in 2010. About half of his minutes. Indiana won a lot of games (several big comebacks) by playing Granger at PF.

Granger played better there (at PF) than Jeff Green ever has. He is so much more skilled as scorer and does a much better job of punishing advantageous matchups. He also did a better job fighting bigger bodies for position in the post (defensively) than Green does.

I will agree to disagree with this assessment.

[Roy H.]

Green is also able to switch to the 4 more than Granger is.

Granger has played better at PF than Green has.

A much better offensive player + a better defensive player. Equal rebounders.

Yeah, I don't buy that.  I'd prefer Green on defense.  Rebounding is similar, as is passing ability.  Granger is better on offense, but the gap isn't as big as some think.

Granger played a lot of power forward for the Pacers in 2010. About half of his minutes. Indiana won a lot of games (several big comebacks) by playing Granger at PF.

Granger played better there (at PF) than Jeff Green ever has. He is so much more skilled as scorer and does a much better job of punishing advantageous matchups. He also did a better job fighting bigger bodies for position in the post (defensively) than Green does.

again We are not making a one on one trade here.

Yeah.  It's not like we traded Granger for Green.

In the trade, we improved our defense, our rebounding, and our inside scoring, and we made our team more versatile and less vulnerable to big teams, while sacrificing only a small amount of outside scoring.  Plus, we'll be able to build a deeper team with our upgraded draft picks.

I'm not worried about a few points less in scoring.  This move makes us much better than we were.  (And it should work out fine for Lucky / Rebus, too.  Granger is a nice fit on that team.)

[Who]

Okay, well (deep exhale), I just cannot see it for Dallas at this point.

I am looking forward to seeing what you do with your picks in the 6th round. Maybe I'll understand it better then. But right now, I just don't see this move helping your team. 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'm sorry guys. I had no idea I'm up first in the coaches round.

With that in mind, let me hire Greg Popovich as the Derps' coach.

[indeedproceed]

I'm sorry guys. I had no idea I'm up first in the coaches round.

With that in mind, let me hire Greg Popovich as the Derps' coach.

Transcript from G-Pop's reaction to news:

'Well I don't know much about these young guys, but as long as we've got Timmy, Manu, and Tony we'll be fine.'

'What? We don't have them? Well where the hell are they?!'

(10 minutes of silence later)

'Bourbon. I need....I...need all the bourbon.'

[Roy H.]

I'm sorry guys. I had no idea I'm up first in the coaches round.

With that in mind, let me hire Greg Popovich as the Derps' coach.

Transcript from G-Pop's reaction to news:

'Well I don't know much about these young guys, but as long as we've got Timmy, Manu, and Tony we'll be fine.'

'What? We don't have them? Well where the hell are they?!'

(10 minutes of silence later)

'Bourbon. I need....I...need all the bourbon.'

That would be the longest interview Pops ever gave.

[Who]

Coaches Round - Friday, July 27th:
(Round begins at 5PM and runs through the weekend. No assigned times. Pick ASAP.)

1   Cleveland Cavaliers – Yoki_IsTheName Gregg Popovich
2   San Antonio Spurs – Celtic Fan Forever Doc Rivers
3   New York Knicks – GomesFan Tom Thibodeau
4   L.A. Lakers – KCattheStripe/StartOrien Rick Carlisle
5   New Orleans Hornets – Gainesville Celtic Jeff Van Gundy
6   Miami Heat – RIPRED George Karl
7   Atlanta Hawks – Rondo2287 Phil Jackson
8   Golden State Warriors – The Walker Wiggle Jerry Sloan
9   OKC Thunder – CelticPride07 Scotty Brooks
10   Washington Wizards – JSD
11   Orlando Magic – Riah32
12   Utah Jazz – Who
13   L.A. Clippers – Champkind
14   Indiana Pacers – Wdleehi
15   Phoenix Suns – BigAlTheFuture
16   Philadelphia 76ers – TheTruthFort18
17   Houston Rockets – NickAgneta
18   Denver Nuggets – GreenFaith1819
19   Brooklyn Nets – Evantime34
20   Chicago Bulls – IndeedProceed
21   Portland Trailblazers – Jgod213
22   Detroit Pistons – Lucky 17
23   Boston Celtics – Kane3387
24   Dallas Mavericks – Edgar

[Roy H.]

I thought it was worth repeating this post

Coaches Round - Friday, July 27th:
(Round begins at 5PM and runs through the weekend. No assigned times. Pick ASAP.)

1   Cleveland Cavaliers – Yoki_IsTheName Gregg Popovich
2   San Antonio Spurs – Celtic Fan Forever
3   New York Knicks – GomesFan
4   L.A. Lakers – KCattheStripe/StartOrien
5   New Orleans Hornets – Gainesville Celtic
6   Miami Heat – RIPRED
7   Atlanta Hawks – Rondo2287
8   Golden State Warriors – The Walker Wiggle
9   OKC Thunder – CelticPride07
10   Washington Wizards – JSD
11   Orlando Magic – Riah32
12   Utah Jazz – Who
13   L.A. Clippers – Champkind
14   Indiana Pacers – Wdleehi
15   Phoenix Suns – BigAlTheFuture
16   Philadelphia 76ers – TheTruthFort18
17   Houston Rockets – NickAgneta
18   Denver Nuggets – GreenFaith1819
19   Brooklyn Nets – Evantime34
20   Chicago Bulls – IndeedProceed
21   Portland Trailblazers – Jgod213
22   Detroit Pistons – Lucky 17
23   Boston Celtics – Kane3387
24   Dallas Mavericks – Edgar

I think last year we said that it's NOT a bad idea --- since the coaches round is a rolling round -- to make your pick and post who's up next. ie:

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Harlem Globetrotters select Coach James Naismith


Yoki is up next in the coaches round.

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Also if you're able to PM the GM that's swell.


EDIT: Just so you know, so everyone knows, rules for coaches are the same as for players, except you can poach them from overseas as well.

So a viable coach might be: Byron Scott, cuz he's alive and has shown a continued interest in coaching.

A viable coach might not be: Dennis Johnson. Cuz, he passed.

Okay, so pick your coach and then please inform (by PM) the next GM on the list that it their pick. Make your pick and inform whoever is next that it is their turn.

I thought that was a good system in the past. Easy to lose track of when you are up without the time slots. I thought this helped keep things moving in the past.

So Celtic Fan Forever is next. If Yoki could PM him and let him know he's up now, that would be great.

Has wdleehi posted anything in reference to the coaching criteria?  i.e., can retired coaches, college coaches, etc., all be drafted?

[Who]

Has wdleehi posted anything in reference to the coaching criteria?  i.e., can retired coaches, college coaches, etc., all be drafted?

No, I don't think so. I pressed the search button and searched for coach on the 2012 CB Draft Rules page but it didn't find anything. No mention of coaches.

I presume the same rule applies to coaches as players -- if a player has a contract abroad, he is ineligible for the duration of the contract. If a player has retired, unless he has given a recent indication of coming back (within last 60 days Wdleehi said), he won't be eligible.

No idea what would happen with college coaches. Ineligible like the college players or can they get out of the contracts? I presume they'd be eligible. No draft for coaches.

[indeedproceed]

I put the bolder part in there, with what it was last year. That's not GC's words or WD's

[Gainesville Celtic]

Has wdleehi posted anything in reference to the coaching criteria?  i.e., can retired coaches, college coaches, etc., all be drafted?

I don't believe so.

IIRC last year we made the shift -- with the addition of the weekend round -- to real life/living coaches. But that's pure specu-remember-ation on my part.

Oh and wdleehi said you HAD to draft Rick Pitino, Roy. Sorry.