Courtney Lee signs with c's? (Latest Report Says It's gonna happen)

[Fafnir]

If Lee is making 6 million I hope it isn't too many years, but at least he's young enough to make it not be assured dead weight by the end....

Yeah.  It could work out, and we were going to pay Ray that much, I guess, but the idea of paying our 8th best player $6 million per season would make me cringe a bit.

Perhaps he won't be our 8th best player though...

I am sure I am just looking through Green tinted glasses, but I really think Lee is a PERFECT fit for this team, and more specifically with Rondo and Pierce.  He can run the floor, defend, and he is a great catch and shoot guy.  So, I am not sure, when it is all said and done he is not our 4th or 5th best player, and averaging 13-14+ points per game with quality defense and high percentage shooting.  

The problem is he's never been a high-percentage shooter, and has never averaged 13 ppg. Let's hope for a Rondo effect...

He's got a respectable eFG% of .48 on jump shots. He's not in Ray Allen's class (at .520 not many are) but he's good overall.

[Fafnir]

never been a high percentage shooter? He is a 39% career 3 pt shooter and 44% from the field,also 82% FT shooter. Those look like some pretty good percentages to me.

I find these to be just ok numbers, even for a shooter. Of course, I probably shouldn't be measuring everyone against Steve Nash and Ray Allen -- but even so, .450+ from the field and .400+ from three are some sort of minimum in my book.

He's not a midrange guy.

He shot well at the rim and from three point range, but midrange he wasn't good. That seems to be a Rocket's player speciality honestly. (Brooks, Lowry, etc.....)

[kozlodoev]

never been a high percentage shooter? He is a 39% career 3 pt shooter and 44% from the field,also 82% FT shooter. Those look like some pretty good percentages to me.

I find these to be just ok numbers, even for a shooter. Of course, I probably shouldn't be measuring everyone against Steve Nash and Ray Allen -- but even so, .450+ from the field and .400+ from three are some sort of minimum in my book.

He's not a midrange guy.

He shot well at the rim and from three point range, but midrange he wasn't good. That seems to be a Rocket's player speciality honestly. (Brooks, Lowry, etc.....)

Fair enough -- he'll be spotting in the corner 90% of the time anyhow.

[jay]

Strange, because Larry Coon's CBA FAQ says something completely different:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q97

I stole your roster: TP for typing it out so neat.

2012-13 Boston Celtics

PG: Rondo ($11.0), Terry ($5.0?)
SG: Bradley ($1.63), Lee ($4.2?)
SF: Pierce ($16.80), Green ($8.0?), Joseph ($0.48)*
PF: Bass ($6.5?), Wilcox ($1.35), Sullinger ($1.3)
C: Garnett ($10.5?), Melo ($1.25)

Total: ~$68.1 mil

TBD: Dooling, Pietrus, Stiemsma, Daniels, Sasha


So you got 12. You sign Dooling and Stiemsma for depth to get to 14. For 15, you could go with Pietrus or Sasha to be the 3rd string SF.  This player may be able to get minutes because the backup SF, Green, can play some at the 4.  Also, with Bradley missing time early, this player could also get a few SG minutes.

My question is, why not Delfino over Pietrus?  Is Pietrus superior enough on defense that he would fit better?  The talk about Delfino got me interested in him.  Use the BAE on him and then Stiemsma is out of the picture?

[heitingas]

Sign and trades are 3 year deals, and only first year is guaranteed. Could be partially guaranteed year two and three or team option.

Pavlovic is non bird FA I think, he didnt play two full seasons with us to get early bird rights. Maybe he was signed to ~500 k and Celtics send Portland cash and he get's waived ?

I think Lee could make around 4.8 million first year in this deal.

[Roy H.]

Sign and trades are 3 year deals, and only first year is guaranteed. Could be partially guaranteed year two and three or team option.

Pavlovic is non bird FA I think, he didnt play two full seasons with us to get early bird rights. Maybe he was signed to ~500 k and Celtics send Portland cash and he get's waived ?

I think Lee could make around 4.8 million first year in this deal.

Pavlovic was an Early Bird free agent.  A player doesn't need to play two full seasons to get that status.  Rather, he needs to play more than one.

Also, the minimum for Pavlovic is well north of $500k.

[heitingas]

Sign and trades are 3 year deals, and only first year is guaranteed. Could be partially guaranteed year two and three or team option.

Pavlovic is non bird FA I think, he didnt play two full seasons with us to get early bird rights. Maybe he was signed to ~500 k and Celtics send Portland cash and he get's waived ?

I think Lee could make around 4.8 million first year in this deal.

Pavlovic was an Early Bird free agent.  A player doesn't need to play two full seasons to get that status.  Rather, he needs to play more than one.

Also, the minimum for Pavlovic is well north of $500k.

Ok, didnt know that. What about the Celtics ? Are early bird rights shared by teams/players ? Or only full bird rights ?

Whats the minimum he could've been s&t without raise ?

[BudweiserCeltic]

This should make you guys feel a bit better about our corner 3 situation with the addition of Lee and Terry (though we lost the best one in the game).
http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-cornermen-of-the-nba/

[Roy H.]

Sign and trades are 3 year deals, and only first year is guaranteed. Could be partially guaranteed year two and three or team option.

Pavlovic is non bird FA I think, he didnt play two full seasons with us to get early bird rights. Maybe he was signed to ~500 k and Celtics send Portland cash and he get's waived ?

I think Lee could make around 4.8 million first year in this deal.

Pavlovic was an Early Bird free agent.  A player doesn't need to play two full seasons to get that status.  Rather, he needs to play more than one.

Also, the minimum for Pavlovic is well north of $500k.

Ok, didnt know that. What about the Celtics ? Are early bird rights shared by teams/players ? Or only full bird rights ?

Whats the minimum he could've been s&t without raise ?

The minimum contract for a player of Pavolic's experience (9 seasons, believe it or not) is $1,229,255. 

I didn't understand your first question, in terms of sharing of rights.

[heitingas]

Sign and trades are 3 year deals, and only first year is guaranteed. Could be partially guaranteed year two and three or team option.

Pavlovic is non bird FA I think, he didnt play two full seasons with us to get early bird rights. Maybe he was signed to ~500 k and Celtics send Portland cash and he get's waived ?

I think Lee could make around 4.8 million first year in this deal.

Pavlovic was an Early Bird free agent.  A player doesn't need to play two full seasons to get that status.  Rather, he needs to play more than one.

Also, the minimum for Pavlovic is well north of $500k.

Ok, didnt know that. What about the Celtics ? Are early bird rights shared by teams/players ? Or only full bird rights ?

Whats the minimum he could've been s&t without raise ?

The minimum contract for a player of Pavolic's experience (9 seasons, believe it or not) is $1,229,255. 

I didn't understand your first question, in terms of sharing of rights.

I meant sharing bird right as player have early bird status,does the team have the rights to s&t Accordingly or they have to stick to non bird trading since he didnt play two full seasons with team?

Thanks.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

This should make you guys feel a bit better about our corner 3 situation with the addition of Lee and Terry (though we lost the best one in the game).
http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-cornermen-of-the-nba/

Turned one player into 2 transformer halves, when they form, SUPER-CORNER-SHOOTER-PRIME!

[Roy H.]

Sign and trades are 3 year deals, and only first year is guaranteed. Could be partially guaranteed year two and three or team option.

Pavlovic is non bird FA I think, he didnt play two full seasons with us to get early bird rights. Maybe he was signed to ~500 k and Celtics send Portland cash and he get's waived ?

I think Lee could make around 4.8 million first year in this deal.

Pavlovic was an Early Bird free agent.  A player doesn't need to play two full seasons to get that status.  Rather, he needs to play more than one.

Also, the minimum for Pavlovic is well north of $500k.

Ok, didnt know that. What about the Celtics ? Are early bird rights shared by teams/players ? Or only full bird rights ?

Whats the minimum he could've been s&t without raise ?

The minimum contract for a player of Pavolic's experience (9 seasons, believe it or not) is $1,229,255. 

I didn't understand your first question, in terms of sharing of rights.

I meant sharing bird right as player have early bird status,does the team have the rights to s&t Accordingly or they have to stick to non bird trading since he didnt play two full seasons with team?

Thanks.

They could use Early Bird rights to S&T Pavlovic if they had to.  However, even if they only had Non-Bird rights, the Celts would have been able to make the same S&T, as it's likely Sasha is only going to earn a minimum deal.

[TripleOT]

I find these to be just ok numbers, even for a shooter. Of course, I probably shouldn't be measuring everyone against Steve Nash and Ray Allen -- but even so, .450+ from the field and .400+ from three are some sort of minimum in my book.

Your "book" must have very few pages in it.  Pierce wouldn't be in it.  Nor Durant.  Nor Reggie Miller.  

Ray Allen is barely in it. So if you're using Steve Nash, the best percentage shooter for guards of all time as a measuring stick, your "book" is useless, no?  

Ray Allen shot 45/40% for his career.  Lee shot 44/39 for his.  
 

[scottwedman]

I find these to be just ok numbers, even for a shooter. Of course, I probably shouldn't be measuring everyone against Steve Nash and Ray Allen -- but even so, .450+ from the field and .400+ from three are some sort of minimum in my book.

Your "book" must have very few pages in it.  Pierce wouldn't be in it.  Nor Durant.  Nor Reggie Miller.  

Ray Allen is barely in it. So if you're using Steve Nash, the best percentage shooter for guards of all time as a measuring stick, your "book" is useless, no?  

Ray Allen shot 45/40% for his career.  Lee shot 44/39 for his.  
 

Lee's solid - but he won't get us over the hump.

Anyway we can find an impact big somewhere?

[goCeltics]

I am pretty sure only the portion payed by the team counts for salary matching purposes in trades