Danny and Doc extremely upset with Ray

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

Not surprised. If I were Danny or Doc, I'd be upset too. They're one of a very few people with a legitimate beef.

The fans don't have the right to be mad for the same reasons? Why not?

Cuz what Ray did had nothing to do with the fans personally.

  By that standard, do fans ever have a legitimate reason to be angry at players?

What Ray did totally affects the fans.  We're the ones who are ultimately paying for these players to play, on the basis that we produce billions of dollars for the NBA by watching the games and buying merchandise/tickets.  We are also the ones who invest so much emotion, energy, and time just watching these guys play.  We grow to love the players on our team (regardless of skill, i.e. Scalabrine).  When they lose a game, the whole city loses a game.  When they win, the whole city wins and we get a parade.  When they cry.. well thats going a little bit too far...

But my point is.. Nobody really wanted to see him leave.. Especially not to go to the Heat.  We understand that from a business stand point that Ray felt his time with the team was over (tired of being used as trade bait/Beef with Rondo/Losing confidence in our system/Feeling like he's being replaced etc.).. and thats very understandable as everything must come to an end at some point.  

But to leave a team like the Celtics, with so much history and emphasis on the name on the front of the jersey rather than the back, and to go to a heated rival in the Heat.. Not only is that slap in the face of the franchise..  But he snitch slapped the crud out of the fans.  We absolutely hate the Heat.  Why in the world would you slight your fans and go to a team that we absolutely hate.  A team that eliminated us from the playoffs twice in a row.  Aside from the Lakers, there is no other team I hate more than the Heat.  I'm sure most of Boston feels this way too..

So yea.. this has a lot to do with the fans.  Not only do these guys play with our money, they play with our emotions too and why Ray would do that to the city of Boston is just mindboggling to me.  

[GreenFaith1819]

Not surprised. If I were Danny or Doc, I'd be upset too. They're one of a very few people with a legitimate beef.

The fans don't have the right to be mad for the same reasons? Why not?

Cuz what Ray did had nothing to do with the fans personally.

  By that standard, do fans ever have a legitimate reason to be angry at players?

What Ray did totally affects the fans.  We're the ones who are ultimately paying for these players to play, on the basis that we produce billions of dollars for the NBA by watching the games and buying merchandise/tickets.  We are also the ones who invest so much emotion, energy, and time just watching these guys play.  We grow to love the players on our team (regardless of skill, i.e. Scalabrine).  When they lose a game, the whole city loses a game.  When they win, the whole city wins and we get a parade.  When they cry.. well thats going a little bit too far...

But my point is.. Nobody really wanted to see him leave.. Especially not to go to the Heat.  We understand that from a business stand point that Ray felt his time with the team was over (tired of being used as trade bait/Beef with Rondo/Losing confidence in our system/Feeling like he's being replaced etc.).. and thats very understandable as everything must come to an end at some point.  

But to leave a team like the Celtics, with so much history and emphasis on the name on the front of the jersey rather than the back, and to go to a heated rival in the Heat.. Not only is that slap in the face of the franchise..  But he snitch slapped the crud out of the fans.  We absolutely hate the Heat.  Why in the world would you slight your fans and go to a team that we absolutely hate.  A team that eliminated us from the playoffs twice in a row.  Aside from the Lakers, there is no other team I hate more than the Heat.  I'm sure most of Boston feels this way too..

So yea.. this has a lot to do with the fans.  Not only do these guys play with our money, they play with our emotions too and why Ray would do that to the city of Boston is just mindboggling to me.  

But don't you think he's entitled to his reasons for leaving - whatever they were?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Not surprised. If I were Danny or Doc, I'd be upset too. They're one of a very few people with a legitimate beef.

The fans don't have the right to be mad for the same reasons? Why not?

Cuz what Ray did had nothing to do with the fans personally.

  By that standard, do fans ever have a legitimate reason to be angry at players?

What Ray did totally affects the fans.  We're the ones who are ultimately paying for these players to play, on the basis that we produce billions of dollars for the NBA by watching the games and buying merchandise/tickets.  We are also the ones who invest so much emotion, energy, and time just watching these guys play.  We grow to love the players on our team (regardless of skill, i.e. Scalabrine).  When they lose a game, the whole city loses a game.  When they win, the whole city wins and we get a parade.  When they cry.. well thats going a little bit too far...

But my point is.. Nobody really wanted to see him leave.. Especially not to go to the Heat.  We understand that from a business stand point that Ray felt his time with the team was over (tired of being used as trade bait/Beef with Rondo/Losing confidence in our system/Feeling like he's being replaced etc.).. and thats very understandable as everything must come to an end at some point. 

But to leave a team like the Celtics, with so much history and emphasis on the name on the front of the jersey rather than the back, and to go to a heated rival in the Heat.. Not only is that slap in the face of the franchise..  But he snitch slapped the crud out of the fans.  We absolutely hate the Heat.  Why in the world would you slight your fans and go to a team that we absolutely hate.  A team that eliminated us from the playoffs twice in a row.  Aside from the Lakers, there is no other team I hate more than the Heat.  I'm sure most of Boston feels this way too..

So yea.. this has a lot to do with the fans.  Not only do these guys play with our money, they play with our emotions too and why Ray would do that to the city of Boston is just mindboggling to me. 

But don't you think he's entitled to his reasons for leaving - whatever they were?

Yes, but when at the same time he goes about it in a "screw the sentiments of the fans/community", we'll make sure to let him know the consequences of his actions. In part, losing our support.

[Kuberski33]

A Miami media outlet reported last week that Ray's contract allows him to opt out after Year 1.  Do we know whether this is true? 

If so, I think it explains a lot of his motivation.  He wanted out of here, first and foremost.

[Roy H.]

I understand being hurt on a personal level. 

What I don't understand is the fan argument that Ray "screwed" the team, or left them in a terrible position.  Unless Ray promised Danny that he'd be back, then it's Danny's job to plan for the contingency of Ray leaving.  (Danny did this, by the way, by signing Terry.)  Nobody was "screwed"; this was a business decision that everyone should have known was a possibility.

If the team just expected Ray to come back because they wanted him to, maybe there's something to the "Ray was taken for granted" argument after all.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I understand being hurt on a personal level. 

What I don't understand is the fan argument that Ray "screwed" the team, or left them in a terrible position.  Unless Ray promised Danny that he'd be back, then it's Danny's job to plan for the contingency of Ray leaving.  (Danny did this, by the way, by signing Terry.)  Nobody was "screwed"; this was a business decision that everyone should have known was a possibility.

If the team just expected Ray to come back because they wanted him to, maybe there's something to the "Ray was taken for granted" argument after all.

The only way I see Ray "screwing" the team is by going to the Heat, our current enemy in the East. Other than that, I don't think anything else is of relevance or applicable in Ray screwing the Celtics in any way.

[GreenFaith1819]

Not surprised. If I were Danny or Doc, I'd be upset too. They're one of a very few people with a legitimate beef.

The fans don't have the right to be mad for the same reasons? Why not?

Cuz what Ray did had nothing to do with the fans personally.

  By that standard, do fans ever have a legitimate reason to be angry at players?

What Ray did totally affects the fans.  We're the ones who are ultimately paying for these players to play, on the basis that we produce billions of dollars for the NBA by watching the games and buying merchandise/tickets.  We are also the ones who invest so much emotion, energy, and time just watching these guys play.  We grow to love the players on our team (regardless of skill, i.e. Scalabrine).  When they lose a game, the whole city loses a game.  When they win, the whole city wins and we get a parade.  When they cry.. well thats going a little bit too far...

But my point is.. Nobody really wanted to see him leave.. Especially not to go to the Heat.  We understand that from a business stand point that Ray felt his time with the team was over (tired of being used as trade bait/Beef with Rondo/Losing confidence in our system/Feeling like he's being replaced etc.).. and thats very understandable as everything must come to an end at some point. 

But to leave a team like the Celtics, with so much history and emphasis on the name on the front of the jersey rather than the back, and to go to a heated rival in the Heat.. Not only is that slap in the face of the franchise..  But he snitch slapped the crud out of the fans.  We absolutely hate the Heat.  Why in the world would you slight your fans and go to a team that we absolutely hate.  A team that eliminated us from the playoffs twice in a row.  Aside from the Lakers, there is no other team I hate more than the Heat.  I'm sure most of Boston feels this way too..

So yea.. this has a lot to do with the fans.  Not only do these guys play with our money, they play with our emotions too and why Ray would do that to the city of Boston is just mindboggling to me. 

But don't you think he's entitled to his reasons for leaving - whatever they were?

Yes, but when at the same time he goes about it in a "screw the sentiments of the fans/community", we'll make sure to let him know the consequences of his actions. In part, losing our support.

I understand what you are saying, but perhaps - and this is from the speculation department - Ray Allen thought that his "support" had been whittled down to nothingness over the last few yrs - in reference to the trades.

From CelticsBlog to Danny Ainge - Walter Ray Allen has been the most traded Celtic in a LOOOOOOOONG time.

We call it "Part of the business", yes - but try telling that to someone who has to go through it.

Yes - these "athletes" we follow get paid a LOT of money to be ready to be traded - but does that make it easier on them?

The vast majority of atheletes handle trades or trade talk  well - IN PUBLIC.

Perhaps Ray Allen thought it was best to leave - on his OWN terms.

[GreenFaith1819]

And for those still upset - I'm with you - but I will NEVER hate Ray Allen.

With that being said - can't we all agree that we NOW have enough weapons to get by them?

All we have to do is negate ONE of them, and my choice is Doc telling AB to glue himself to Dwayne Wade.

I wouldn't even worry about Ray Allen when we play the Heat.

Ray Allen won't kill us (I Hope).

But Wade will. Let Lebron get his, but AB must take Wade out of the equation.

And he will.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Not surprised. If I were Danny or Doc, I'd be upset too. They're one of a very few people with a legitimate beef.

The fans don't have the right to be mad for the same reasons? Why not?

Cuz what Ray did had nothing to do with the fans personally.

  By that standard, do fans ever have a legitimate reason to be angry at players?

What Ray did totally affects the fans.  We're the ones who are ultimately paying for these players to play, on the basis that we produce billions of dollars for the NBA by watching the games and buying merchandise/tickets.  We are also the ones who invest so much emotion, energy, and time just watching these guys play.  We grow to love the players on our team (regardless of skill, i.e. Scalabrine).  When they lose a game, the whole city loses a game.  When they win, the whole city wins and we get a parade.  When they cry.. well thats going a little bit too far...

But my point is.. Nobody really wanted to see him leave.. Especially not to go to the Heat.  We understand that from a business stand point that Ray felt his time with the team was over (tired of being used as trade bait/Beef with Rondo/Losing confidence in our system/Feeling like he's being replaced etc.).. and thats very understandable as everything must come to an end at some point. 

But to leave a team like the Celtics, with so much history and emphasis on the name on the front of the jersey rather than the back, and to go to a heated rival in the Heat.. Not only is that slap in the face of the franchise..  But he snitch slapped the crud out of the fans.  We absolutely hate the Heat.  Why in the world would you slight your fans and go to a team that we absolutely hate.  A team that eliminated us from the playoffs twice in a row.  Aside from the Lakers, there is no other team I hate more than the Heat.  I'm sure most of Boston feels this way too..

So yea.. this has a lot to do with the fans.  Not only do these guys play with our money, they play with our emotions too and why Ray would do that to the city of Boston is just mindboggling to me. 

But don't you think he's entitled to his reasons for leaving - whatever they were?

Yes, but when at the same time he goes about it in a "screw the sentiments of the fans/community", we'll make sure to let him know the consequences of his actions. In part, losing our support.

I understand what you are saying, but perhaps - and this is from the speculation department - Ray Allen thought that his "support" had been whittled down to nothingness over the last few yrs - in reference to the trades.

From CelticsBlog to Danny Ainge - Walter Ray Allen has been the most traded Celtic in a LOOOOOOOONG time.

We call it "Part of the business", yes - but try telling that to someone who has to go through it.

Yes - these "athletes" we follow get paid a LOT of money to be ready to be traded - but does that make it easier on them?

The vast majority of atheletes handle trades or trade talk  well - IN PUBLIC.

Perhaps Ray Allen thought it was best to leave - on his OWN terms.

As I've mentioned countless times before, I have no problem with Ray leaving. I have a problem with how he left, and to who he went to. I can understand him no longer being happy with playing with the Celtics any longer.

As much as there's an argument for the Celtics organization taking him for granted, as mentioned above, he took the fans and community for granted himself by leaving to the Heat.

There were few ways Ray Allen leaving for another team could anger the Celtics' fanbase, and he just about did all of them.

[Mencius]

Doc and DA haven't been exactly candid. Wyc has been the closest to expressing his true feelings.

I think that KG and PP will keep it professional on the surface, but are seething underneath.

Allen's image has taken a whack, not just here but around the NBA. Players don't like traitors.

Spot on.

[extravieitor]

However, after reading the Jermaine O'neal quotes, Ray doesn't sound so ugly 

[Roy H.]

Allen's image has taken a whack, not just here but around the NBA. Players don't like traitors.

Just ask Jarret Jack and Marcus Camby.

I think the majority of players are fine with being "traitors".  Players want the right to determine where they work. 

Didn't KG demand a trade?  Didn't Pierce threaten to?  Were they traitors to their teammates, as well?  Probably, but it didn't stop them from doing what they thought was best for themselves.

[GreenFaith1819]

I saw a reference (can't remember the post, sorry), that stated that Ray Allen should've been traded earlier. But the sad part of this reasoning, to me, is that out of the proposed returns for Ray over the last few years - (Monta Ellis, OJ Mayo, Kevin Martin) - does ANYONE here really see any of those players getting us past MIA or LA?

Not I.

OJ Mayo, Monta Ellis or Kevin Martin, while fine players, would NOT have helped BOS against LA (2010) or MIA (last two years).

Another reason, to me at least, why Ray Allen being the subject of so many trades is baffling.

The two MAIN people that would've allowed BOS to beat LA and MIA over the last years were a healthy KG and Avery Bradley - NOT Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, or OJ Mayo.

I cannot understand this to save my life.

[SHAQATTACK]

IF Danny had traded Ray,  it would have NEVER been to the freakin HEAT or LAKERS.  Maybe to the Bulls , Orlando, Hawks, ect , he wood have never traded Ray to the HEAT.  He would have been tared and feathered.  Danny bleeds GREEN first too.

Of all the places to leave for , and go to for LESS MONEY , and leave behind what WOULD HAVE BEEN a lasting legacy with his name mentioned with  Bird, GArrnet , and Pierce forever .... he threw that away as if it were WORTH NOTHING.....    ...he truley was BRAIN WASHED and NOT thinking clearly.

So now he gets his name tarnished FOREVER , just like BENEDICT ARNOLD.... who was a skilled leader , he felt under appreciated as well and thought of himself more than he was worth , threw his lot in with the enemy .

I 'm no fool ...He was not caring about his family, it was all done to spit on the face of the Celtics organization, team members, and the fans.  

His newspaper article is nothing but a fake pile of garbage

Ray is selfish moron.  

[BudweiserCeltic]

Allen's image has taken a whack, not just here but around the NBA. Players don't like traitors.

Just ask Jarret Jack and Marcus Camby.

I think the majority of players are fine with being "traitors".  Players want the right to determine where they work. 

Didn't KG demand a trade?  Didn't Pierce threaten to?  Were they traitors to their teammates, as well?  Probably, but it didn't stop them from doing what they thought was best for themselves.

I don't think if it was ever determined if KG demanded a trade or not, it was clear that the team was heading in a different direction though. As for Pierce, well, when the demand is couched in a "either improve this team, or trade me" I think it's quite acceptable. Consequence, Ainge made his move and improved the team. All is well.