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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2012, 07:10:53 PM »

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he did.  Sullinger and Melo

Melo is a terrible, terrible rebounder.

Oh well I guess he'll never be a good rebounder then ::)

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2012, 07:25:19 PM »

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JG and Wilcox will get rbs (Sully and Melo too maybe)... guys we didn't have last season. He did what he could with NO money to go out and get guys!! I wish the people that ask these questions tell what they could do with the money we had/didn't have. Then when you throw out those names, show me proof they A)would take the money B)would want to play here

Sure it's easy to say what you would do but the thing is, you are on the outside looking in and have no idea what it really takes to make your ideas reality! DA does... he is doing what he can to better the team, he is going for fit and who we can get for sure!

you're correct - i don't know the entire picture that Danny was working with - plus, i don't live in Boston and thus don't hear the day-to-day details of what's going on with the team.

thus, the reason for my original question and for this thread, honey.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2012, 07:27:53 PM »

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If Sully was drafted by a bad team and got starters' minutes,  he probably would be a double figure rebounder.  The guy has the body, attitude and nose for the ball to be an excellent rebounder.

Melo has the body and size to be good too.  Time will tell if he is willing to seal the  glass, and has the hands and instincts to be a good rebounder.  

I don't thin Ainge really values rebounding over other NBA skills.   He's been GM for almost a decade and has never acquired a solid rebounder, except for KG, who, by  the time he became a Celtic, didn't have the same jet propulsion in his skinny legs to rebound like he did when he led the league.  

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2012, 07:32:31 PM »

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JG and Wilcox will get rbs (Sully and Melo too maybe)... guys we didn't have last season. He did what he could with NO money to go out and get guys!! I wish the people that ask these questions tell what they could do with the money we had/didn't have. Then when you throw out those names, show me proof they A)would take the money B)would want to play here

Sure it's easy to say what you would do but the thing is, you are on the outside looking in and have no idea what it really takes to make your ideas reality! DA does... he is doing what he can to better the team, he is going for fit and who we can get for sure!

you're correct - i don't know the entire picture that Danny was working with - plus, i don't live in Boston and thus don't hear the day-to-day details of what's going on with the team.

thus, the reason for my original question and for this thread, honey.

The question has been answered (speculation mostly) numerous times in numerous ways. It's your right to make as many/any threads as you want to but looking around the answers are there w/o this new thread, honey.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2012, 07:35:57 PM »

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amazing that Ainge doesn't value rebounding - the '84 team he played on won the finals because of one thing - rebounding - they pounded the Lakers into dust on the boards that series (of course our mentally tougher team intimidated them as well).

no one has addressed my Pietrus question - i really want him back and he loves the Celtics - what's his status ?
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2012, 07:36:15 PM »

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It's either scoring or rebounding. When you don't have a lot to play with you have to chose one.

Bench scoring hurt us more than rebounding in most cases. Game 7 it was 25 or 27 to 2 in bench scoring...

Green, Wilcox, and Sully should be able to get an avg of 5 rpg each. So thats an other 15 boards that they didn't have.

And we'll say Wilcox comes off the bench thats probably between 20 and 25 possible extra points a game and thats not including Terry's 13 to 16.

So DA as of now got us and extra 10 to 15 boards a game, and take away Terry's #'s to replace Rays and extra 25 points...Thats not too bad.

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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2012, 10:44:25 PM »

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chemistry, Danny, chemistry !!!!

Maybe Ainge values chemistry more than rebounding.
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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2012, 11:00:24 PM »

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he did.  Sullinger and Melo

Melo is a terrible, terrible rebounder.

Oh well I guess he'll never be a good rebounder then ::)

He could become a decent rebounder eventually, but it's one of the few skills in college that traditionally translates well, better than shooting even. He could learn, but I think it's be silly to think he'll learn in the next year or two.

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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2012, 11:07:36 PM »

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I look at it this way, our defense is ridiculously fantastic even with all the offensive rebounds we give up.

If we score more with this team, we will win more of the close games.

Lest we forget, how tough of a time we had scoring nearly 50% of the time last year? Any time the bench was in we were lucky to make 1 or 2 baskets let alone make a run or anything.

There wasn't exactly a ton of rebounding on the market, so Danny did the reasonable thing and focused on getting more offense for the bench. More offense should cover up some of our rebounding deficiencies.


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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2012, 11:15:30 PM »

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It's just not that important ( as far as this particular team's strategy goes). What's more important is that we get back on defense and stop the other team from scoring.

Boston Celtics basketball under Rivers and Ainge has two basic concepts:

1)Slow the game down, execute the offense perfectly and get high percentage looks at the rim, exploiting certain match ups. Once we get that good shot, the most important aspect is to ensure that the other team doesn't get a high percentage shot. Don't worry about rebounding because if we can stop them scoring, we don't need to put an emphasis on rebounding as much.

2) Defend harder than anyone else. Deny the ball and force the opponents to take an ill-advised shot/possession-preferably a jumpshot. Get the defensive rebound and exploit their fast break defense with Rondo by consistently putting pressure on them to react to him- thus taking them out of their normal defensive patterns which ultimately leads to opponents mistakes.

The last 5 years has been about getting back on defense and stopping them from scoring. People say 'well why don't we rebound and defend together?'. It just doesn't work that way, it's not necessarily one or the other but you can't just weave the two together and create a perfect combination when your number one priority and strength is defense.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2012, 11:20:10 PM »

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It's just not that important ( as far as this particular team's strategy goes). What's more important is that we get back on defense and stop the other team from scoring.

Boston Celtics basketball under Rivers and Ainge has two basic concepts:

1)Slow the game down, execute the offense perfectly and get high percentage looks at the rim, exploiting certain match ups. Once we get that good shot, the most important aspect is to ensure that the other team doesn't get a high percentage shot. Don't worry about rebounding because if we can stop them scoring, we don't need to put an emphasis on rebounding as much.

2) Defend harder than anyone else. Deny the ball and force the opponents to take an ill-advised shot/possession-preferably a jumpshot. Get the defensive rebound and exploit their fast break defense with Rondo by consistently putting pressure on them to react to him- thus taking them out of their normal defensive patterns which ultimately leads to opponents mistakes.

The last 5 years has been about getting back on defense and stopping them from scoring. People say 'well why don't we rebound and defend together?'. It just doesn't work that way, it's not necessarily one or the other but you can't just weave the two together and create a perfect combination when your number one priority and strength is defense.
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« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2012, 11:21:54 PM »

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It's just not that important ( as far as this particular team's strategy goes). What's more important is that we get back on defense and stop the other team from scoring.

Boston Celtics basketball under Rivers and Ainge has two basic concepts:

1)Slow the game down, execute the offense perfectly and get high percentage looks at the rim, exploiting certain match ups. Once we get that good shot, the most important aspect is to ensure that the other team doesn't get a high percentage shot. Don't worry about rebounding because if we can stop them scoring, we don't need to put an emphasis on rebounding as much.

2) Defend harder than anyone else. Deny the ball and force the opponents to take an ill-advised shot/possession-preferably a jumpshot. Get the defensive rebound and exploit their fast break defense with Rondo by consistently putting pressure on them to react to him- thus taking them out of their normal defensive patterns which ultimately leads to opponents mistakes.

The last 5 years has been about getting back on defense and stopping them from scoring. People say 'well why don't we rebound and defend together?'. It just doesn't work that way, it's not necessarily one or the other but you can't just weave the two together and create a perfect combination when your number one priority and strength is defense.


This past year, it was that defensive rebound that was an issue a little to often.  Great defense can become average with to many extra shots.

Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2012, 11:45:43 PM »

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It's just not that important ( as far as this particular team's strategy goes). What's more important is that we get back on defense and stop the other team from scoring.

Boston Celtics basketball under Rivers and Ainge has two basic concepts:

1)Slow the game down, execute the offense perfectly and get high percentage looks at the rim, exploiting certain match ups. Once we get that good shot, the most important aspect is to ensure that the other team doesn't get a high percentage shot. Don't worry about rebounding because if we can stop them scoring, we don't need to put an emphasis on rebounding as much.

2) Defend harder than anyone else. Deny the ball and force the opponents to take an ill-advised shot/possession-preferably a jumpshot. Get the defensive rebound and exploit their fast break defense with Rondo by consistently putting pressure on them to react to him- thus taking them out of their normal defensive patterns which ultimately leads to opponents mistakes.

The last 5 years has been about getting back on defense and stopping them from scoring. People say 'well why don't we rebound and defend together?'. It just doesn't work that way, it's not necessarily one or the other but you can't just weave the two together and create a perfect combination when your number one priority and strength is defense.


This past year, it was that defensive rebound that was an issue a little to often.  Great defense can become average with to many extra shots.

It's hard to blame just our rebounding. I don't think our close out defense was as good in the playoffs- but we had Pierce and Ray running around on one leg trying to guard Lebron and Wade which made a huge difference. I think we are going to have to defend the 3 point line better than Chicago does if we really want to beat Miami. I think this is part of the reason Danny isn't too concerned with our size inside on offense, as long as we can effectively defend the Bulls big men then the Heat is a completely different ball game.
The Eastern Conference is turning away from playing though the interior/post so much and leaning more towards transition basketball with hard nosed defense that basically extends to half court.
I think one of the reasons Danny likes Sullinger so much is that he saw how effective Miami was with Lebron in the low post because of his passing ability. He backed his way in, and then found outside shooters or slashers very effectively and it completely dumbfounded OKC and us. People said before the finals that Lebron wouldn't be able to abuse Durant in the post because Durant was too long. Lebron manhandled Durant in the post by physically pushing him to the side. Once he scored a few times, it commanded an immediate double team and Miami had a field day from beyond the arc. Guys like Sullinger that can post up, stretch the floor and pass like Lebron are a hot ticket. We got extremely lucky to get this kid and once people see how many easy looks Pierce and Terry and Green get with him bulldozing his way in, then kicking it out to the above mentioned it will be a whole new dynamic to our team. Perhaps not immediately this year but eventually he'll be an assist machine.
He can also get his own rebound if need be much more effectively than Bass and even KG at this point in his career.
You are right that our rebounding is going to be tested again in the playoffs against the Bulls. I think Danny's answer to this is to sure up the bench and get role players that can come in and extend a lead, create their own shot, and knuckle down on defense, crossing his fingers that the same strategy works. It's hard as GM in the East to create a team that can compete with Chicago inside, yet is fast enough to get back and stop Miami from running their transition offense-whilst defending their three point shooting well. I think part of it is also just the plain fact that we couldn't really get any beasty rebounders in free agency without having to massively overpay or give them long term deals. It just isn't a huge priority compared to defense while we have a defensive core of Rondo, Bradley, KG and Green now.
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Re: Please explain to me why DA didn't pursue rebounding ?
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2012, 02:28:35 AM »

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Garnett, Bass, Green, Wilcox, Melo, Sullinger... all player signed this off-season. Not to mention Kris Joseph who was averaged 4.7 Reb on that 'Cuse team as a SF. I think Danny has done a pretty great job this off-season. I'd rather he signs good all around players who can contribute instead of rebounding "specialists" like Reggie Evans who actually hurt the team in other categories while on the floor.

If DA also adds Darko this could go from a weak front court to one of he deepest in the Eastern Conference.

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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2012, 03:10:25 AM »

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It's just not that important ( as far as this particular team's strategy goes). What's more important is that we get back on defense and stop the other team from scoring.

Once we get that good shot, the most important aspect is to ensure that the other team doesn't get a high percentage shot. Don't worry about rebounding because if we can stop them scoring, we don't need to put an emphasis on rebounding

Deny the ball and force the opponents to take an ill-advised shot/possession-preferably a jumpshot. Get the defensive rebound

The last 5 years has been about getting back on defense and stopping them from scoring. People say 'well why don't we rebound and defend together?'. It just doesn't work that way,

you reiterated my point - i saw way too many possessions where the Celtics worked very hard and forced a bad shot only to surrender one or even two offensive rebounds that forced them to do the same work all over again.


and great defense and great defensive rebounding do go hand in hand - not sure where you got the idea that it was so difficult to have both - if you don't, you defeat your whole purpose.


Now ......... can anyone address my Pietrus question ?
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