Be realistic about Rondo (I know it is asking a lot)

[Carhole]

Wow you guys can make yourselves believe anything. Rondo CAN NOT score consistently or efficiently and he has never, not even in these playoffs.
For the past 3 seasons as he has had to face more blatant “dare you” to score defenses and picked up a bigger tick of the scoring responsibility (albeit still quite small) his True Shooting has gone down EVERY year.

09/10: 54.0 – 10/11: 49.5  and 11/12: 48.3 (Celtics team TS% w/o rondo’s stats 52.3 in 2012)

Really the last two years, that have been his “best” years, are putrid. You know where true shooting percentages like that rank in the league? Anywhere between 250 and 300.

And his playoff #s…. 10: 50.3  -  11: 50.9  - 12: 50.6 (these #s put you anywhere from 70 to 100th depending on the year)

Again, awful.

God forbid you take out game 2 of the Heat series which everyone points to in order to “prove” rondo can score “when he wants” even though from a statistical review it is much more likely a once every 100 games outlier then the build up to a consistent threat and you know what his TS% was for the playoffs 48.3, eerily similar to the 60 regular season games he played.

Anyone can take more shots (especially when you are being forced to do it) and score more points, but can you score efficiently enough to win and can you score consistently in crunch time.

I want to see banner 18 as bad as anyone but it isn’t going to happen with Rondo scoring and a guy who greatest asset is getting the ball for other people to put it in the basket because of the ridiculous difference in efficiency relative to when he tries to do it – is not winning an MVP.

Rondo had one stretch where he missed 8 games in a row (approx 12% of the season) and in those games the team was 6-2 with a TS% of 55% a scoring average 1 point over their season average and assisted on 64% of the made field goals compared to 67% with rondo in the lineup (though to be fair Ray also missed 4 of those games and when he returned shooting off screens the numbers were basically identical again)

Rondo is a unique player who can create absolute havoc. I want him to get better and become a player who can have a TS of 55% or over – that would help this team a ton. But honestly from what I have seen after 6 years in the league it would be a huge surprise if it happened because all of the indications are that he cannot handle a reasonable enough scoring load to be the weapon all of the “rondo is winning mvp” “rondo is the most important player on our team” crowd seems to think he already is.

Interesting piece from the beginning of this past season [url=http://Wow you guys can make yourselves believe anything.

[minijericho29]

You sir are a breathe of fresh air around here.  TP!

[ianboyextreme]

The only fanbase that has a 26 year old in the top 3 alltime playoff triple doubles and somehow finds a way to downplay his worth.

[tarheelsxxiii]

^at 6'1", 170 lb

...and that outlier happened to be at arguably the biggest moment in his career.

Stats and PERs become meaningless very quickly unless you're a corny white guy that has never played a game of basketball in his life. I don't suggest Rondo will ever win an MVP, but to judge him based on his true shooting percentage is a joke my dude. No one can run an offense like the little guy in the game right now. He's the reason everyone else is getting theirs and one of the fiercest competitors in the game. If everyone adopted his approach to the game, the league would be incredible... not a bunch of disloyal, money-hungry, egotistical clowns.   

[BballTim]

  Shouldn't this thread be title "Be realistic about Rondo's TS%"? Or do you somehow think that scoring efficiency is the only realistic way to judge players?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

^at 6'1", 170 lb

...and that outlier happened to be at arguably the biggest moment in his career.

Stats and PERs become meaningless very quickly unless you're a corny white guy that has never played a game of basketball in his life. I don't suggest Rondo will ever win an MVP, but to judge him based on his true shooting percentage is a joke my dude. No one can run an offense like the little guy in the game right now. He's the reason everyone else is getting theirs and one of the fiercest competitors in the game. If everyone adopted his approach to the game, the league would be incredible... not a bunch of disloyal, money-hungry, egotistical clowns.   

They're gonna come for this post.


I just want to talk about this bold part: Steve Nash has done so for an entire career (still going strong), regardless of the talent around him. RR hasn't had the opportunity to prove he can yet, but he will soon enough.

Personally, if it wasn't for defense I would take Nash over RR (if they were the same age) all day every day. I'm actually not sure I wouldn't take him over RR, regardless of the defense (even if Nash was a few years older...not this old though), because I think Nash would be okay with KG behind him and his offense (scoring) could also make up for some of the lack of D.

[MJohnnyboy]

Here's some realism: Without Rondo, the Big Three Era lasts only three years (or possibly less).

More realism: Rondo has been one of the best point guards in the league for the past three years.

Even More Realism: Rondo has one of the best bargain contracts in the NBA at $11 million.

EVEN MORE REALISM: Rondo has a very rare no-nonsense attitude that hardly any star player has in this league anymore (ie the Lebrons, D-Wades, Melos, and Howards). Not to mention he has a brilliant basketball mind, such as lobbying Doc to put Avery Bradley in the starting lineup instead of Ray, which turned out to give the Celtics their best defensive lineup ever while also giving them a more offensively efficient group as well.

Opinion: Rondo has all the makings to be an all-time Celtics great. He's shown time and time again he can be the alpha dog for this team when Pierce and KG leave. He doesn't have to be the scorer because we already have Pierce, and when Pierce fouled out of the playoff games this year, it was Rondo who stepped up his game scoring-wise. There are only two players in the NBA who create overall offense better than Rondo, and that's Lebron and CP3. Let's not worry about this "realism" of Rondo until KG and Pierce leave.

[ianboyextreme]

  Shouldn't this thread be title "Be realistic about Rondo's TS%"? Or do you somehow think that scoring efficiency is the only realistic way to judge players?

lol. TS% IS THE ONLY WAY!!!

[celticsleyte]

The only fanbase that has a 26 year old in the top 3 alltime playoff triple doubles and somehow finds a way to downplay his worth.

Celtics could win the title this year and somehow Rondo still would be the beneficiary of his teammates greater skill.

[syfy9]

  Shouldn't this thread be title "Be realistic about Rondo's TS%"? Or do you somehow think that scoring efficiency is the only realistic way to judge players?

lol. TS% IS THE ONLY WAY!!!

NO, TPs% ARE THE ONLY WAY!!!!!!!!

[kn 99]

Honestly...Rondo doesn't pass the ball well
he is a terrible defender
he can't run an offense
he has no bball iq
his jump shot isn't improving
he isn't athletic
he can't handle the ball
he can't lead a team.......

[BASS_THUMPER]

without rondo and a health ray we would have been fine
07-08

[syfy9]

Honestly...Rondo doesn't pass the ball well
he is a terrible defender
he can't run an offense
he has no bball iq
his jump shot isn't improving
he isn't athletic
he can't handle the ball
he can't lead a team.......

...SIKE!

[Greenback]

Rondo drove Ray away.  Enough said.

[syfy9]

Rondo drove Ray away.  Enough said.

By requesting Avery Bradley to start and therefore benefit the team and raise defensive intensity.