Be realistic about Rondo (I know it is asking a lot)

[BASS_THUMPER]

Honestly...Rondo doesn't pass the ball well
he is a terrible defender
he can't run an offense
he has no bball iq
his jump shot isn't improving
he isn't athletic
he can't handle the ball
he can't lead a team.......

explains why he led the league in assists right...?

this forum amazes me sometimes, Rondo has a breakout year, has like 15 triple doubles,  was in the convo for MVP and you ppl still find ways to criticize his every move... its amazing.

if we got that ring this year it would have meant something.

[Greenback]

Rondo drove Ray away.  Enough said.

  It sounds like everyone who didn't treat Ray like a superstar drove him away.

It is worth considering Ray's comments.  Here is an interesting thread to review, Rondo team cancer?:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1193825&start=45

Well if it's a RealGM thread then you can definitely take it to the bank.

Of course you can't take it to the bank - just a bunch of opinions like Celticsblog.

[BASS_THUMPER]

truth is all we know on CelticsBlog.com

[esel1000]

Honestly...Rondo doesn't pass the ball well
he is a terrible defender
he can't run an offense
he has no bball iq
his jump shot isn't improving
he isn't athletic
he can't handle the ball
he can't lead a team.......

explains why he led the league in assists right...?

this forum amazes me sometimes, Rondo has a breakout year, has like 15 triple doubles,  was in the convo for MVP and you ppl still find ways to criticize his every move... its amazing.

if we got that ring this year it would have meant something.

true and honestly Rondos the only reason we were even in the ECF (took over game 7 vs sixers). Had massive games vs the Heat. But no nothings ever enough for some of these posters it honestly amazing haha...

bet you around 25 other teams in this league wish they had a guy like Rondo as their pg seriously...

[BASS_THUMPER]

rondo has every thing but a solid jumper
 he has hit big shots..tru dat

anyone on this blog any givin sunday could hit a buzzer beater

we need rondo on every level

example...

im good to my woman in every way
cook, clean burp and bath the kids, late nite with her
but if i dont bring home the bread she gonna look at me side ways like paul wall..my game aint complete with out the money.

rondo is great but he needs to be the greatest
can he get there i dunno

[vinnie]

I have been tough on Rondo at times, but when I see threads like this after the year he just had, I simply shake my head. Sure the guy still needs to mature and yes he definitely needs to improve his free throw shooting, but I am picking him on my team every time.  As for Ray's hurt feelings, boohoohoo. I have heard enough about that prima Donna to last me a lifetime.

[BASS_THUMPER]

ray is far from a diva
homie is proven and deserve respect

[AlainaCath]

Future MVP.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

nash couldn't play with shaq, rondo made shaq better, rondo makes everyone better, enough said.

If you say so...

I think it had more to do with Shaq and Amare but that's just my opinion. Sorry but RR didn't make Shaq better... I don't know why people keep saying that. I will agree he gave Shaq easier baskets but that had to do with the Big 3 too, b/c their guys had to stay with them which means someone was gonna get abused by Shaq! I tell you what, it's not "enough said"... show me Shaq's #s with Nash against his #s with RR and that will settle it for me (well except the other factor of the Big 3 not being on that Phoenix team but yea, still get me the numbers). I'm not talking win/loss either b/c that Phoenix team can't compare to having Genie (Amare wishes he was KG), Ray, and PP! Show me Shaq's scoring...

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I also forgot to say, in regards to this thread... I would take RR over MOST players today... there are probably less than 5-10 I'd give him up for at this point!

[rayallen1934]

Rondo drove Ray away.  Enough said.

  It sounds like everyone who didn't treat Ray like a superstar drove him away.

It is worth considering Ray's comments.  Here is an interesting thread to review, Rondo team cancer?:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1193825&start=45

Rondo makes this team better... hes makes his teammates better and anyone with a basketball iq understand that. Rondo knew starting Bradley made this team better and Ray had a problem with it. Well good riddance, Ray was being a baby end of story. Notice how KG hates playing the 5 but did it for the betterment of the team? If Ray had half the balls KG had he'd still be here, end of story.

Enough of the Rondo drove him away nonsense I still see 14+ other guys who want to be Celtics on this roster and some (pietrus) trying to get back on it...Rondo doesnt drive ppl away, Rays just a 37 year old kid

your brain is not working very well here.

Just because Garnett is forced to play a different position doesnt mean hes losing doing what he wants to do PLAY BASKETBALL

why are you trying to compare two different situations.

Use your head.

[OsirusCeltics]

Honestly...Rondo doesn't pass the ball well
he is a terrible defender
he can't run an offense
he has no bball iq
his jump shot isn't improving
he isn't athletic
he can't handle the ball
he can't lead a team.......

explains why he led the league in assists right...?

this forum amazes me sometimes, Rondo has a breakout year, has like 15 triple doubles,  was in the convo for MVP and you ppl still find ways to criticize his every move... its amazing.

Circumstances predicts stats, not the always the player
Come on, he has 3 hall of famers on his team. They all demand respect and attention from the opposing team, and are 3 of the best finishers in their own way. This makes Rondo able to rack up triple doubles like its a free throw. Obviously talent has to do with it, no one is saying Rondo has no talent

Name a point guard who hasn't racked up triple doubles. They handle the ball like 95% of the time when they are on the floor. Thats why Lebron gets triple doubles like that, he's basically the Heat's point guard
Its evident that when Pierce handles the point guard duties he racks up triple doubles

[Carhole]

  Shouldn't this thread be title "Be realistic about Rondo's TS%"? Or do you somehow think that scoring efficiency is the only realistic way to judge players?

I think it is the best and most related to the effect of winning games over a long haul. Every team that won every series this year won the TS% for the series.

You look at TS% and Offensive boards and it will tell you the winner of almost every game played.

Also this mostly was spurred by the fact I have read at least 5 threads in the past month that INSIST rondo can score when he wants to. Maybe I should have simply responded in the rondo is going to win MVP next year because he has proven that he can do whatever he wants on a basketball court. But it felt like it may be better to open a new topic and see where it goes.

No surprise you wouldnt like the information.

Why was the team more efficient with him out? Why is a player who is finding his jumper and scoring ability over the past couple seasons becoming less efficient?

I do not think rondo is a bad player at all. Quite the opposite. I just think that all of the people on this board who compare him to Isiah Thomas or insist he is the 6th best player in the nba currently or continue to insist that he has proven he can score when he wants are ignoring some very real facts.

If he is ever going to find a spike in efficiency it is most likely going to come with even shot distribution not when he has to take more shots bc Ray is gone or some other reason.

[Carhole]

The only fanbase that has a 26 year old in the top 3 alltime playoff triple doubles and somehow finds a way to downplay his worth.

Not "finding" things wrong with him. These things are wrong with him. Stating some information.

I think you meant to say this is the only fan base where a really good player who has some big flaws that pop up consistently can ignore those flaws, insist he is the MVP of the league and has a game like a hall of famer bc he won a title as the 6th (maybe) best player on his team.

Or are we the fan base that can call Lebron a choke and a loser  until he carries a team to a title even after watching him score 26 straight to close out a playoff game or put in 40+ in a game 7 in the garden  but insist none of that matters because he lost.

Then claim that the 44 rondo scored in a loss prove how much balls he has and that he can do whatever it takes when it is playoff time for this team to win??

[Carhole]

^at 6'1", 170 lb

...and that outlier happened to be at arguably the biggest moment in his career.

Stats and PERs become meaningless very quickly unless you're a corny white guy that has never played a game of basketball in his life. I don't suggest Rondo will ever win an MVP, but to judge him based on his true shooting percentage is a joke my dude. No one can run an offense like the little guy in the game right now. He's the reason everyone else is getting theirs and one of the fiercest competitors in the game. If everyone adopted his approach to the game, the league would be incredible... not a bunch of disloyal, money-hungry, egotistical clowns.   

I would say that game 5 and game 7 quickly became the biggest games of his career, well after game 7 vs LA....why didnt he repeat the performance or even come close?


Why is TS% a joke, it takes efficiency of point production into  account? It is a joke because it tries to quantify the most important part of the game and apply some metric besides fg percentage? Or because it shows an inherent weakness in his game that cannot be explained away by saying "you don't understand what you are watching?"

The joke here is that people rationalize that players who have gotten theirs the entire career are now getting theirs bc of a player who has never had to play without them. That makes no sense what so ever. That is simply people wanting a story to be true and not letting go of it.

If he gets everyone theirs why were they more efficient when he was out for 8 games in a row. 8 games in a row should have been enough for some of these players to miss all of the spoon feeding he provides, shouldnt it?