Wilcox to be re-signed

[tarheelsxxiii]

With Avery out for a while perhaps but I doubt it. Doc has always shown a preference to using a spot starter for those sort of situations in the regular season while leaving the bench guys in their normal roles. (Scalabrine starting for KG, etc.)

Good point, but I hate minimizing Scal's role as a "spot starter." Maybe more of a stud/hero that chose to start when he felt the team needed it.

[Green Hell]

GREAT signing imo. Can't wait to have this guy back. He'll round out our front court very nicely.

[Who]

boston has some decent big now in KG, Bass, Sully, Melo and wilcox

I think the lack of quality big man help for Garnett is the weakest area of the team.

[Fafnir]

boston has some decent big now in KG, Bass, Sully, Melo and wilcox

I think the lack of quality big man help for Garnett is the weakest area of the team.

No help on the glass or on defense certainly.

[Who]

I know people think Bass is going to get close to what he got last season but I don't. At times Bass was played only because he had to be... now that there are other options, I see his mins dropping to about 20-25 a game. Bass played really well last season but if JG gives even what he did that half season, he will swallow up some of Bass' mins. PP is going to get his no matter what (if he is healthy enough to play), JG has to get some mins from somewhere... the only other place I see is the 4, sorry Bass god! KG isn't going to play only at the 5 so there are more mins at the 4 gone right there. Matter of fact I think JG is gonna start over Bass... when PP rests JG will move to 3 and then Bass will come in. My opinions of course.

I like Bass in a 26-28mpg role. He is too limited for more than that.

If the team had better big man options, I'd like to get Bass' playing time down to 20-24mpg.

Hopefully, in a future season, Sullinger will prove good enough to take those minutes and reduce Bass' role back to this 20-24mpg area.

[Jon]

Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Because he just signed a big contract extension.  

It may not be right, but it's probably a reality, especially when you consider that those 23 mpg came under the following circumstances:

1) When PP was nearly two years younger.

2) Before Jeff Green had a training camp to get adjusted.  

I think you're right that to assume he'd go back to his OKC days of 36-37 mpg is misguided, but I do think that him getting at least 5 more mpg (to go up to 28 mpg, which is what I suggested in my last post) is very likely.  

I'm sure Doc always has his team salary chart handy when he is coming up with his substitution pattern.

But you're ignoring 2/3 of my post. 

First and foremost, I do think salary matters.  If the Celtics as a whole (and I'm sure Doc was part of this decision) decided it was worth making that sort of financial commitment towards Green, they didn't do it with the intention of playing less than half of the game. 

Two, you're acting like I'm suggesting he's going to play 36+ mpg.  I'm suggesting he'll play 28, 5 minutes more than what he did two years ago.  Considering Pierce is now two year older and that Green will have entire training camp to learn the plays and fit in with the team, salary or not, I don't think that's a stretch. 

And if that's the case, as I said before, there aren't going to be a lot of minutes for Wilcox at the 4 spot, regardless of who starts.  And given the giant gaping whole at the 5 that we can all agree on, it only is logical that he's going to get minutes there. 

[LooseCannon]

It doesn't matter whether he is better at the 4 than the 5.  If we're talking about using him as a backup center, the first question is whether or not he is better at the 5 than Ryan Hollins or other minimum salary guys out there.

[Rondo2287]

Being reported the deal is for the vet minimum!

[Fafnir]

Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Because he just signed a big contract extension.  

It may not be right, but it's probably a reality, especially when you consider that those 23 mpg came under the following circumstances:

1) When PP was nearly two years younger.

2) Before Jeff Green had a training camp to get adjusted.  

I think you're right that to assume he'd go back to his OKC days of 36-37 mpg is misguided, but I do think that him getting at least 5 more mpg (to go up to 28 mpg, which is what I suggested in my last post) is very likely.  

I'm sure Doc always has his team salary chart handy when he is coming up with his substitution pattern.

But you're ignoring 2/3 of my post. 

First and foremost, I do think salary matters.  If the Celtics as a whole (and I'm sure Doc was part of this decision) decided it was worth making that sort of financial commitment towards Green, they didn't do it with the intention of playing less than half of the game. 

Two, you're acting like I'm suggesting he's going to play 36+ mpg.  I'm suggesting he'll play 28, 5 minutes more than what he did two years ago.  Considering Pierce is now two year older and that Green will have entire training camp to learn the plays and fit in with the team, salary or not, I don't think that's a stretch. 

And if that's the case, as I said before, there aren't going to be a lot of minutes for Wilcox at the 4 spot, regardless of who starts.  And given the giant gaping whole at the 5 that we can all agree on, it only is logical that he's going to get minutes there. 

I don't think Doc gives a darn about how much money a player is paid, he'll play who he thinks will help the team win. I think Green's salary is a reflection of what they think Green's value will be, but translating that to "he's going to play big minutes he's getting 9 million" isn't how Doc works.

You've brought up Pierce's age a few times. If Green gets more minutes because "Pierce is older" they'll be at the 3, not the 4. Hence he's not "eating" Wilcox's PF minutes.

[Fafnir]

Being reported the deal is for the vet minimum!

Figured it would be, can't imagine there was a big market for him after his heart problems and lacklast play/numbers.

[CelticSooner]

Being reported the deal is for the vet minimum!

Great news. I was thinking he may get more from someone the way money has been thrown around this off-season.

[Jon]

Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Because he just signed a big contract extension.  

It may not be right, but it's probably a reality, especially when you consider that those 23 mpg came under the following circumstances:

1) When PP was nearly two years younger.

2) Before Jeff Green had a training camp to get adjusted.  

I think you're right that to assume he'd go back to his OKC days of 36-37 mpg is misguided, but I do think that him getting at least 5 more mpg (to go up to 28 mpg, which is what I suggested in my last post) is very likely.  

I'm sure Doc always has his team salary chart handy when he is coming up with his substitution pattern.

But you're ignoring 2/3 of my post.  

First and foremost, I do think salary matters.  If the Celtics as a whole (and I'm sure Doc was part of this decision) decided it was worth making that sort of financial commitment towards Green, they didn't do it with the intention of playing less than half of the game.  

Two, you're acting like I'm suggesting he's going to play 36+ mpg.  I'm suggesting he'll play 28, 5 minutes more than what he did two years ago.  Considering Pierce is now two year older and that Green will have entire training camp to learn the plays and fit in with the team, salary or not, I don't think that's a stretch.  

And if that's the case, as I said before, there aren't going to be a lot of minutes for Wilcox at the 4 spot, regardless of who starts.  And given the giant gaping whole at the 5 that we can all agree on, it only is logical that he's going to get minutes there.  

I don't think Doc gives a darn about how much money a player is paid, he'll play who he thinks will help the team win. I think Green's salary is a reflection of what they think Green's value will be, but translating that to "he's going to play big minutes he's getting 9 million" isn't how Doc works.

You've brought up Pierce's age a few times. If Green gets more minutes because "Pierce is older" they'll be at the 3, not the 4. Hence he's not "eating" Wilcox's PF minutes.

I already accounted for that.  I said 28 mpg for Green and 32 mpg for Pierce.  That's a 2 minute decline from his 34 mpg last year.  

As I said in a post quite a while I ago, Green gets 16 mpg of backup minutes at the 3, 12 mpg of backup minutes at the 4.  

If we assume Bass plays 28 mpg, that's 40 mpg between the two of them.  

I'm no big Bass fan; I was lukewarm on Jeff Green's contract extension; I'm certainly not their biggest fans.  But given the fact that we have many capable 4s and very few capable 5s, all I'm simply stating is that unless Danny pulls off some miracle and gets a quality backup center, we're likely heading to a season where Chris Wilcox backs up Kevin Garnett.  

Again, you're acting like I'm suggesting something that's absolutely ludicrous (Jeff Green getting 5 more minutes per game).  I'm not quite sure why.  

[Fafnir]

 
Again, you're acting like I'm suggesting something that's absolutely ludicrous (Jeff Green getting 5 more minutes per game).  I'm not quire sure why. 

1. Because we do have several quality PFs who are all better options than Green is at that slot assuming the other team isn't also going small.

2. Because the primary logic isn't that it will help the team, that its the best way to utilize Jeff Green, but rather that Jeff Green is getting paid too much to not play more and the only way to get him those minutes is at PF.

Doc isn't Mike Brown and Wyc isn't Dolan, the C's aren't going to play Green more because of his contract.

[clover]

boston has some decent big now in KG, Bass, Sully, Melo and wilcox

I think the lack of quality big man help for Garnett is the weakest area of the team.

No help on the glass or on defense certainly.

I think Doc told Danny, "Please no broken down, over-the-hill, used-to-be-good centers this year."

And Wilcox may be the first signing to come from the C's first week of SL play.

[ManUp]

Excellent signing, I'm glad to have him back.