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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2012, 03:28:29 PM »

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good. i expect they got him on the cheap and if so...a great pick up

now we are running out of spots...my guess is a sign and trade with dallas might eliminate somebody

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2012, 03:29:52 PM »

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Hopefully so -- if Wilcox is healthy and ready, he can take that starting spot off of Bass and put Bass back on the bench where he belongs.

Is this because you think Wilcox is the superior player or do you just think Wilcox fits better in the starting line up? Theres no way Wilcox is better than Bass.

I don't like Bass as a starter. Too weak a defender/rebounder. Non-passer.

Wilcox will give a lot more on the boards + about the same defensively + his offensive game is more reliant on Rondo and the the rest of the starters than Bass' is ... so he'll benefit more from that lineup than Bass will.  

Bass gets to go back to the role he is best suited for (backup PF) while Wilcox takes over as a part-time (16-20mpg) starter. More of a net-positive for the team.

If ... Wilcox is healthy and ready to play at a level comparable to what he was before.

While I agree that Bass is somewhat overrated (due to the fact that most of his offense is generated by other people getting him wide open shots), I don't think that Wilcox is better than him, particularly not last year.  

Even if we disagree on that, Wilcox is a better fit coming off the bench, as right now he's the only other guy who can play center on the team besides Fab Melo.  Thus, if we start him, we get stuck bringing in Sully/JJJ and Bass off the bench to give us a truly short front line with absolutely no shotblocking.  



Wilcox cannot play the center position. He has been a train-wreck there his entire career.

Wilcox is, however, an effective option at power forward.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, it isn't happening.  

They didn't just sign Brandon Bass to a 6 million dollar per year deal to bring him off the bench.  Even if they did, there's really no room at the 4 spot for Wilcox.  Bass is going to get 25 mpg there.  Green (especially when Bradley comes back) is going to get minutes there (there's simply not enough minutes for him at the 3 to only play there).  Those two alone are going to eat up at least 35 mpg (and I think that's being conservative).  And that's not even counting giving Sullinger or JJJ minutes.  

They need to find ways to make sure that Sullinger and Bass aren't on the court together.  Sullinger can play the "5," but not next to another undersized 4 like Bass.  

And who exactly is going to play the 5 behind KG?

We have no other centers on the roster but Fab Melo and there aren't a lot of other options out there.  

There is nobody. Stiemsma staying is the best option.

After that, is undersized PFs masquerading as a center ... but Wilcox is no better at filling that role than Bass or Sullinger are. None of them are any more equipped to handle the role than the other.

Hence, I wouldn't keep Wilcox on the bench for that role if he can give greater balance to the team elsewhere (as a part time starter at PF).

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The backup center position is a real problem. I don't know why it hasn't been getting more attention.

I don't understand why everyone is so focused on adding a new backup SG (Courtney Lee) when the five spot is so weak behind Garnett.

Despite everything I say below, I think the Celtics signed Wilcox with every intention of having him backup KG.  Regardless of what anyone thinks about Bass and Green and where they should play and begin games, the Celtics didn't just give them a combined 15+ million per year to play small minutes.  Both will be given substantial minutes.  

Bass averaged nearly 32 mpg last year.  I think he at least gets 28 mpg this year.  Green averaged 36-37 mpg in OKC.  While he likely won't get that here, he should also get at least 28 mpg.  Given that PP will play at least 32 mpg (and that's probably even low given how Doc does things), Green is going to be forced to play at the 4 for at least 10-12 mpg.  This is by no means a stretch given the fact that Doc has no reservations about playing the likes of Posey, Pietrus, and even Daniels there.  

Do the math and you really have 40+ mpg of the 4 position eaten up by those two.  Maybe Wilcox gets the other 8, but that certainly isn't going to be his primary position.  

Maybe that isn't the right thing to do, but I'm pretty darn sure that's what the Celtics are going to do.  

Furthermore, I don't know where this magic 5 option is going to come from.  The Celtics don't have much money to work with and they're quickly running out of roster spots.  And while you may have a point about Wilcox at the 5, I'd take him there over some 7-foot stiff who doesn't belong in the NBA getting minutes at the 5.  

I also think Wilcox fits better off of the bench.  Bass worked very well with the starters last year, hitting the open shots when he was left alone.  Wilcox could be a really exciting option to come in and run with Jeff Green and Rondo.  Furthermore, his lack of size at the 5 (which is still better than anyone else's on the team save Melo and KG) would be less of an issue against backup 5s that he'd be more likely to face coming off the bench.  

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2012, 03:30:19 PM »

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Wilcox is a warrior! He plays with heart and energy, Only for that I want him on our team. He was doing pretty good before losing him for the season.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2012, 03:34:16 PM »

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Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2012, 03:34:20 PM »

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boston has some decent big now in KG, Bass, Sully, Melo and wilcox

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2012, 03:37:32 PM »

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Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Because he just signed a big contract extension.  

It may not be right, but it's probably a reality, especially when you consider that those 23 mpg came under the following circumstances:

1) When PP was nearly two years younger.

2) Before Jeff Green had a training camp to get adjusted.  

I think you're right that to assume he'd go back to his OKC days of 36-37 mpg is misguided, but I do think that him getting at least 5 more mpg (to go up to 28 mpg, which is what I suggested in my last post) is very likely.  

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2012, 03:38:26 PM »

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Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Starting role maximize Green's potential.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2012, 03:38:47 PM »

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Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Because he just signed a big contract extension.  

It may not be right, but it's probably a reality, especially when you consider that those 23 mpg came under the following circumstances:

1) When PP was nearly two years younger.

2) Before Jeff Green had a training camp to get adjusted.  

I think you're right that to assume he'd go back to his OKC days of 36-37 mpg is misguided, but I do think that him getting at least 5 more mpg (to go up to 28 mpg, which is what I suggested in my last post) is very likely.  
I'm sure Doc always has his team salary chart handy when he is coming up with his substitution pattern.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2012, 03:39:37 PM »

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Good luck Sean Williams, i dont think will see him around next year.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2012, 03:40:36 PM »

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Jeff Green played 23 MPG for the C's in 2010-2011. I don't see why people assume he's automatically going to get more than that because his contract.

Starting role maximize Green's potential.
With Avery out for a while perhaps but I doubt it. Doc has always shown a preference to using a spot starter for those sort of situations in the regular season while leaving the bench guys in their normal roles. (Scalabrine starting for KG, etc.)

I think Doc is more concerned with the team's potential than he is with Green's potential or salary.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2012, 03:41:31 PM »

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this just made my day. Wilcox, right before he got hurt, looked better than Brandon Bass.


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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2012, 03:43:55 PM »

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What Jon said.

It'd be sick if we could work out a S&T for Terry (drop JJJ and Moore/Dooling), and then sign Lee with the MLE and snatch Steamboat, or even Pietrus, with the BAE. Ready for Miami Beesh.
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Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2012, 03:46:35 PM »

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Good Move by Danny.  I like Wilcox...

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2012, 03:46:46 PM »

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What Jon said.

It'd be sick if we could work out a S&T for Terry (drop JJJ and Moore/Dooling), and then sign Lee with the MLE and snatch Steamboat, or even Pietrus, with the BAE. Ready for Miami Beesh.

1  Pierce  $16,790,345
2  Rondo   $11,000,000
3  Garnet  $11,000,000
4  Green   $9,000,000
5  Bass    $7,000,000
6  JET     $5,000,000  MLE? S&T?
7  Bradley $1,630,800
8 Sullinger $1,089,100
9  Melo    $1,045,600
10 JJJ     $1,120,440
11 Stiemsma $1,029,389 offer1.9 BAE?
12 E'T Moore $762,195
13 Williams  $915,852
14 K Joseph  $450,000
15 Wilcox    ?

Pietrus, Hollins, Sasha, 'Quis, Dooling all potentials to fill out spots if they open up.

No complaints with that roster.  Figure we will get Lee with the MLE if we S&T Terry or a S&T with Houston.  Good offseason so far.  Definitely improved the team from 2011-12.

Re: Wilcox to be resigned
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2012, 03:48:05 PM »

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I know people think Bass is going to get close to what he got last season but I don't. At times Bass was played only because he had to be... now that there are other options, I see his mins dropping to about 20-25 a game. Bass played really well last season but if JG gives even what he did that half season, he will swallow up some of Bass' mins. PP is going to get his no matter what (if he is healthy enough to play), JG has to get some mins from somewhere... the only other place I see is the 4, sorry Bass god! KG isn't going to play only at the 5 so there are more mins at the 4 gone right there. Matter of fact I think JG is gonna start over Bass... when PP rests JG will move to 3 and then Bass will come in. My opinions of course.
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