Magic taking other offers

[indeedproceed]

If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

So...go Houston, its your birfday?

Try as he may, I still don't think Houston has what it takes. Everything they have is just too 'meh.'

Yeah, but they're doing it without taking on an extension.

If Howard is only going to sign an extension with the Nets, does that give the nets the necessary leverage to work out the trade?

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

Same got for LA with Bynum, or really anywhere else.

The only teams out there I see as a valid place to trade for Howard without an extension are Utah and Houston, because they've got guys/assets that are redundant but still valuable, and because its the only shot they're gonna get at a marquee free agent.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7bbmulr

[Roy H.]

If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

So...go Houston, its your birfday?

Try as he may, I still don't think Houston has what it takes. Everything they have is just too 'meh.'

Yeah, but they're doing it without taking on an extension.

If Howard is only going to sign an extension with the Nets, does that give the nets the necessary leverage to work out the trade?

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

Same got for LA with Bynum, or really anywhere else.

The only teams out there I see as a valid place to trade for Howard without an extension are Utah and Houston, because they've got guys/assets that are redundant but still valuable, and because its the only shot they're gonna get at a marquee free agent.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7bbmulr

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez? 

[celtsfan84]

Orlando NEEDS TO come away with Bynum here. I'd accept nothing less.

I agree in theory but apparently he would walk after according to him so that's not neccessarily the best option.

If you can get Horford and he will stay that's better.

I'd second that.  I rank the packages that we have seen as:

1. Andrew Bynum
2. Al Horford, Jeff Teague, 1st Round pick (if Bynum refuses an extension)
3. Houston's collection of young players, draft picks, and cap relief (if Bynum refuses an extension and Atlanta refuses to trade without a Howard extension)

30. New Jersey's collection of NBA compost

[indeedproceed]

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez? 

Sincere cap relief, lotto picks from this year, and Toronto's next lottery pick?

[StartOrien]

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

If I'm Hotlanta, I take the gamble. It's worth it for basketball and business reasons.

I'm convinced that at the end of the season he couldn't resist the money, playing alongside Josh Smith in front of his hometown, and know there's enough famous rappers that call ATL home to really 'wow' someone with a 14 year old's mind.

[Fafnir]

If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

So...go Houston, its your birfday?

Try as he may, I still don't think Houston has what it takes. Everything they have is just too 'meh.'

Yeah, but they're doing it without taking on an extension.

If Howard is only going to sign an extension with the Nets, does that give the nets the necessary leverage to work out the trade?

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

Same got for LA with Bynum, or really anywhere else.

The only teams out there I see as a valid place to trade for Howard without an extension are Utah and Houston, because they've got guys/assets that are redundant but still valuable, and because its the only shot they're gonna get at a marquee free agent.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7bbmulr

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez? 

Houston's collection of assets are more valuable than Brook Lopez on a max level extension. That's assuming he can regain his sophomore year form and be healthy.

[celtsfan84]

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez?  

Sincere cap relief, lotto picks from this year, and Toronto's next lottery pick?

Bingo.

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

If I'm Hotlanta, I take the gamble. It's worth it for basketball and business reasons.

I'm convinced that at the end of the season he couldn't resist the money, playing alongside Josh Smith in front of his hometown, and know there's enough famous rappers that call ATL home to really 'wow' someone with a 14 year old's mind.

Double Bingo.

If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

So...go Houston, its your birfday?

Try as he may, I still don't think Houston has what it takes. Everything they have is just too 'meh.'

Yeah, but they're doing it without taking on an extension.

If Howard is only going to sign an extension with the Nets, does that give the nets the necessary leverage to work out the trade?

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

Same got for LA with Bynum, or really anywhere else.

The only teams out there I see as a valid place to trade for Howard without an extension are Utah and Houston, because they've got guys/assets that are redundant but still valuable, and because its the only shot they're gonna get at a marquee free agent.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7bbmulr

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez?  

Houston's collection of assets are more valuable than Brook Lopez on a max level extension. That's assuming he can regain his sophomore year form and be healthy.

Triple Bingo.

Let's not forget that the Nets have no cap room at the end of the season and no easy way to get it, so Dwight would have to leave megabucks on the table to leave anywhere, and still not get his choice of going to Brooklyn.

And if he signs with a team like Dallas, you can easily get them to do a sign-and-trade, picking up 1st Round picks and a trade exception.

Totally worth the risk.

[Roy H.]

Houston's collection of assets are more valuable than Brook Lopez on a max level extension. That's assuming he can regain his sophomore year form and be healthy.

What's the "collection of assets" specifically, though?  A half-dozen undersized power forwards who haven't proven anything?  Old and/or injured veterans?

The only thing I'd want off Houston's roster is Toronto's first rounder.

Lopez will be overpaid on a max contract, but no more so than any other competent center (i.e., Roy Hibbert).  I think he's a better option than Patrick Patterson and a #1.

[LarBrd33]

If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

So...go Houston, its your birfday?

Try as he may, I still don't think Houston has what it takes. Everything they have is just too 'meh.'

Yeah, but they're doing it without taking on an extension.

If Howard is only going to sign an extension with the Nets, does that give the nets the necessary leverage to work out the trade?

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

Same got for LA with Bynum, or really anywhere else.

The only teams out there I see as a valid place to trade for Howard without an extension are Utah and Houston, because they've got guys/assets that are redundant but still valuable, and because its the only shot they're gonna get at a marquee free agent.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7bbmulr

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez? 

Houston's collection of assets are more valuable than Brook Lopez on a max level extension. That's assuming he can regain his sophomore year form and be healthy.

Why do people have so much trouble understanding this concept.   Orlando is trading Dwight, because he refuses to sign an extension with them.  THey don't want to lose Dwight Howard for nothing.  If Dwight continues to say he will leave any team other than Brooklyn that attempts to trade for him... why would any team give up a bunch of assets in order to put themselves in Orlando's situation?

FYI... we just saw Omar Asik get a contract paying him 15 mil in year three and we saw Roy HIbbert get a max contract.  Big men are valuable in this league... especially a 7 foot 24 year old who gives you 20 points a night.  If Orlando doesn't want Brook Lopez, I imagine some other team would gladly take him.  I doubt anyone beats that offer... and if they do... their GM has balls of steel. 

On Houston:  People keep bringing them up.  We don't know what the package is they are offering... we only know they were collecting a bunch of draft picks.  Is it coincidence that all the Houston rumors came out BEFORE Dwight explicitly said he would never sign an extension with Houston?

On the Lakers:  I imagine they'd give up Bynum for Dwight, because Bynum is only signed through this year anyways.  But then Orlando is just putting themselves in the same situation since Bynum supposedly will not sign an extension with the Magic.

On Atlanta:  No sense in giving up Horford and Teague if Dwight has no interest in re-signing there.  It's Atlanta... if he's not signing an extension now, I doubt he's sticking around later.

[StartOrien]

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez?  

Sincere cap relief, lotto picks from this year, and Toronto's next lottery pick?

With super teams being more popular, and the way the new CBA is constructed, I'm not sure how much cap room means. I'd much rather proven talent on a good to OK contract/s.

[Fafnir]

Houston's collection of assets are more valuable than Brook Lopez on a max level extension. That's assuming he can regain his sophomore year form and be healthy.

What's the "collection of assets" specifically, though?  A half-dozen undersized power forwards who haven't proven anything?  Old and/or injured veterans?

The only thing I'd want off Houston's roster is Toronto's first rounder.

Lopez will be overpaid on a max contract, but no more so than any other competent center (i.e., Roy Hibbert).  I think he's a better option than Patrick Patterson and a #1.

Prospects, better picks, and cap relief are better than a guy who might be as valuable as Bargani but would be paid even more.

[Lucky17]

I honestly don't view Lopez as an asset. With a max contract, he's an albatross.

[celtsfan84]

Brook Lopez averages 20 a night and 6 rebounds a night to accompany mediocre defense on a 20 win team.

He scores a lot of points because his team has few options.  Scoring a lot of points on a bad team doesn't make you an elite player.

They might as well take Corey Maggette from Charlotte.

[indeedproceed]

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

If I'm Hotlanta, I take the gamble. It's worth it for basketball and business reasons.

I'm convinced that at the end of the season he couldn't resist the money, playing alongside Josh Smith in front of his hometown, and know there's enough famous rappers that call ATL home to really 'wow' someone with a 14 year old's mind.

Is it? How many post players would you rather have over Al Horford right now? Howard, Bynum, Marc Gasol, Aldridge, and who else?

[celtsfan84]

If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

So...go Houston, its your birfday?

Try as he may, I still don't think Houston has what it takes. Everything they have is just too 'meh.'

Yeah, but they're doing it without taking on an extension.

If Howard is only going to sign an extension with the Nets, does that give the nets the necessary leverage to work out the trade?

Because for all the Atlanta hype, how are they gonna give up Horford and Teague without an extension?

Same got for LA with Bynum, or really anywhere else.

The only teams out there I see as a valid place to trade for Howard without an extension are Utah and Houston, because they've got guys/assets that are redundant but still valuable, and because its the only shot they're gonna get at a marquee free agent.

Something like this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7bbmulr

What does Houston have that is as valuable as Brook Lopez?  

Houston's collection of assets are more valuable than Brook Lopez on a max level extension. That's assuming he can regain his sophomore year form and be healthy.

Why do people have so much trouble understanding this concept.   Orlando is trading Dwight, because he refuses to sign an extension with them.  THey don't want to lose Dwight Howard for nothing.  If Dwight continues to say he will leave any team other than Brooklyn that attempts to trade for him... why would any team give up a bunch of assets in order to put themselves in Orlando's situation?

FYI... we just saw Omar Asik get a contract paying him 15 mil in year three and we saw Roy HIbbert get a max contract.  Big men are valuable in this league... especially a 7 foot 24 year old who gives you 20 points a night.  If Orlando doesn't want Brook Lopez, I imagine some other team would gladly take him.  I doubt anyone beats that offer... and if they do... their GM has balls of steel.  

On Houston:  People keep bringing them up.  We don't know what the package is they are offering... we only know they were collecting a bunch of draft picks.  Is it coincidence that all the Houston rumors came out BEFORE Dwight explicitly said he would never sign an extension with Houston?

On the Lakers:  I imagine they'd give up Bynum for Dwight, because Bynum is only signed through this year anyways.  But then Orlando is just putting themselves in the same situation since Bynum supposedly will not sign an extension with the Magic.

On Atlanta:  No sense in giving up Horford and Teague if Dwight has no interest in re-signing there.  It's Atlanta... if he's not signing an extension now, I doubt he's sticking around later.

This part is just simply not true.