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Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2012, 10:34:09 PM »

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Why doesn't OKC offer Perk, Serge, and Harden for Howard.  No one would beat OKC with Durant, Westbrook, and Howard.

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Smitty77

It'd be a great team, but does Dwight want to live in OKC?  Do you break up a legit, young contender for one year of Dwight?  Imagine if one of those guys got hurt.  You wouldn't win the title this year and would have lost Ibaka and Harden for nothing.

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2012, 10:35:26 PM »

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What is LA giving up going to Orlando to get Howard? 


If the package Houston is good enough to move Howard, why they Lakers? 




Orlando is worried that Bynum will leave them and sign elsewhere.

Thus, Bynum goes to Houston, Dwight goes to Los Angeles, picks and cap relief goes to Orlando.  All three teams win in my book.


If I am Houston, who need LA? 


What is LA sending to Orlando that makes this need to be a three team dance?

If you are Houston, you might feel more comfortable with your chances of extending Bynum than your chances of extending Dwight.

And Orlando might be able to pry cap relief from both teams.

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2012, 10:37:01 PM »

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What is LA giving up going to Orlando to get Howard? 


If the package Houston is good enough to move Howard, why they Lakers? 




Orlando is worried that Bynum will leave them and sign elsewhere.

Thus, Bynum goes to Houston, Dwight goes to Los Angeles, picks and cap relief goes to Orlando.  All three teams win in my book.


If I am Houston, who need LA? 


What is LA sending to Orlando that makes this need to be a three team dance?

If you are Houston, you might feel more comfortable with your chances of extending Bynum than your chances of extending Dwight.

And Orlando might be able to pry cap relief from both teams.


I feel the same way about both.  Houston can offer the most money.  The team Howard wants to go to has no cap room. 


Howard is the better player.

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2012, 06:26:53 AM »

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This trade will kill the NBA. Will kill the competition.

What is next?

Metta-Lebron trade?

One Team to rule them all.

My love Celtics only a pawn in the NBA like the other teams. It hurts...

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2012, 07:16:22 AM »

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This trade will kill the NBA. Will kill the competition.

What is next?

Metta-Lebron trade?

One Team to rule them all.

My love Celtics only a pawn in the NBA like the other teams. It hurts...

This is a bit of an overreaction.

You realize that Bynum himself is a pretty good player, right?  Trading the second best center for the best center isn't exactly a horribly unfair return.  Dwight is better, sure, but Bynum is not horrible.

You realize that this does not guarantee the Lakers a championship?  It makes them better, sure, but they have plenty of questions to answer.

You realize that the Lakers have won only 1 game past the 1st Round in the last two years combined (going 0-4 in the 2nd Round last year and 1-4 this year)?

You realize that the Celtics have 17 championships, one more than the Lakers?

The Celtics play by the same rules the Lakers do.  The Lakers just have a more desirable market and more money.  It's not like we're the Bobcats.  We've beaten the Lakers in the finals many times over the years.

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2012, 07:21:32 AM »

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Total speculation

I wouldn't be shocked to see a Houston, Nets, Magic deal that looks something like this. More pieces would have to be added to make $$$ work but in principle.

Atl gets Howard + bad contracts (Turkaglu?)

Houston gets Horford + ?? (BBD)

Magic Get Kevin Martin + Teague + 2012 Houston Rookies + 2 first from ATL  


Orlando would be best served to go on a clean out mission and try to move all of there vets with multi year deals
Mavs
Wiz
Hornet

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2012, 07:28:17 AM »

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would be funny if Howard just stays put in Orlando , and waits for the right deal to come along that lands him where he wants.

KIcking DH off the team would hurt the team as much as it would the Orlando community , they still want him to stay.

He might just stay put a while longer.

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2012, 07:56:25 AM »

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Why doesn't OKC offer Perk, Serge, and Harden for Howard.  No one would beat OKC with Durant, Westbrook, and Howard.

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Smitty77

There are a couple teams Dwight could go to that make a lot more sense than Brooklyn, for both him and the Magic.

Dwight unfortunately is not concerned about the best path to winning a championship.  It looks like him and Deron Williams hatched the same plan that LeBron-Bosh-Wade did in coordinating their FA plans so they could get on the same team.


Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2012, 07:57:50 AM »

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I really wish Rob Hennigen would sit Dwight down and say "Listen we understand that you want a trade and we are going to make that happen. We are not trading someone as valuable as you for pennies on the dollar. We have had enough of you running OUR organization. So heres the deal, you either accept the fact that you are going to go somewhere other than Brooklyn and work with us to find a team that meets your best interests as well as ours and somewhere you can agree to an extension. Or we are going to trade you for just a first rounder and cap relief to Toronto or Charlotte. Your choice."

Would be a huge slap in the face to Dwight. I have lost all respect for him after this fiasco.

Re: Magic taking other offers
« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2012, 08:10:57 AM »

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I think Orlando has to own up to the fact that they are partly responsible for this mess.  They could have traded Dwight during last season or before last season when they had far more leverage.  Also, they have to own up to the fact that they had Dwight as the centerpiece of their franchise and they screwed up not building a contender around him.  Yes, they had Otis Smith, which is a horrible handicap...but still.

In my opinion, I see 2 teams that can take Dwight on a 1-year rental and make it worthwhile:

1) LA Lakers

2) OKC Thunder

The Lakers are obviously the best fit for Dwight.  They have best single player replacement (Bynum) and the nucleus that is built to win a championship tomorrow.  I am not sure how the whole trade works out, but Nash-Kobe-Howard with probably Gasol is an absolute nightmare for the league.  That team is the favorite to win the Finals.

Further, it is best fit for Dwight because it puts him under the spotlight and under pressure.  In Orlando, and also in Brooklyn, that would not be the case.  It will prove once and for all whether this guy has what it takes to bring home a ring.  If he can't do it with Kobe and Nash on his squad, he sure as hell aint gonna do it with Deron Williams and Joe Johnson.

However...the more interesting place is OKC.  As a poster mentioned above, OKC might actually have the best overall package for Orlando.  Orlando can resign Ibaka and Harden long term as pieces to build around.  (Not sure if they could amnesty Perk but if they can they will.)

In OKC, Durant is clearly the best player, unlike in LA where Kobe is the alpha dog but Dwight would be by far the most talented guy on the squad.  Dwight would be such a huge upgrade for them offensively in the post where OKC has literally nothing in Perk and Ibaka.  Again, this team is probably a favorite for a title, though I think less so than LA only because Gasol is that good.

I think Dwight has to realized that he is not going to Brooklyn.  He is not getting traded for Brook Lopez.  That cannot happen if this league is to maintain any credibility.