DA getting criticism for Green contract. So tell me: who has DA overpaid before?

[Fafnir]

Danny's worst deals were of course to big men:  Mark Blount, Jermaine O'neal, Raef.  So in this regard he is no different than almost every GM in the league in terms of signing busts.

Scalabrine was a bad deal but that's not the kind of deal that gets you fired as a GM (see Lewis, Rashard; Smith, Otis).

As someone mentioned, we haven't had a shot to see Danny attempt to overpay anyone.  This offseason was the first time we could have had cap space to sign a big FA.

I don't think Jeff Green will fall into the category of "overpaid" or "bad contract" unless he gets hurt or severely underperforms.  If plays to his career average, he will be a typical NBA salary for his production.

Just don't see this. Al Harrington gives almost the exact position and production, but slightly better across the board, and people thought he was overpaid at 5 yrs 35 million. Or more years AND less money than Green. Marvin Williams is another one, almost exactly the same size, position, and slightly better production, and people make fun of his 5 yr 37 million dollar deal: again, less total money for more total years and signed when the CBA more favored players. This CBA was supposed to lessen player salaries, but Green gets more money for fewer years than extremely similar players previously received.

The new CBA wasn't about limiting any individual players salary. It was about reducing player salary overall, people are still going to get overpaid and underpaid.

[the_Bird]

Giving Kevin Garnett a 3yr $36million deal is just crazy. The dude is 36 and he was on one knee all last season. Ainge just refuses to blow this team up.

He should have traded KG last season as he had an expiring contract you could have got something for him so why extend a 36yr old on a 3 year $36million deal?

Nonsense!

And what, praytell, deals were being offered for KG at last year's deadline?

While you're at it, how many centers played better down the stretch last year than KG? 

KG's old, but he's in great shape and I *though* he proved to everyone that he was still one of the premier big men in the League last season.  You have to manage his minutes, but there aren't many who are better.  I was a little surprised at the three-year deal, but I also kind of expect that if KG's body does give out, he'll walk away before he embarrasses himself. 

[Fan from VT]

Danny's worst deals were of course to big men:  Mark Blount, Jermaine O'neal, Raef.  So in this regard he is no different than almost every GM in the league in terms of signing busts.

Scalabrine was a bad deal but that's not the kind of deal that gets you fired as a GM (see Lewis, Rashard; Smith, Otis).

As someone mentioned, we haven't had a shot to see Danny attempt to overpay anyone.  This offseason was the first time we could have had cap space to sign a big FA.

I don't think Jeff Green will fall into the category of "overpaid" or "bad contract" unless he gets hurt or severely underperforms. If plays to his career average, he will be a typical NBA salary for his production.

Just don't see this. Al Harrington gives almost the exact position and production, but slightly better across the board, and people thought he was overpaid at 5 yrs 35 million. Or more years AND less money than Green. Marvin Williams is another one, almost exactly the same size, position, and slightly better production, and people make fun of his 5 yr 37 million dollar deal: again, less total money for more total years and signed when the CBA more favored players. This CBA was supposed to lessen player salaries, but Green gets more money for fewer years than extremely similar players previously received.

Edit-
I messed up. I was still thinking 4/40, not 4/36.
So the C's get 4 years of Green for basically the same price other teams got 5 years of Marvin or Harrington. That's not very good.

Also, another way to think about is that those other "bad" contracts were signed in the previous CBA, which was more favorable to players. In that system, the full midlevel, available to ALL teams (so there was more competitive bidding from teams, driving UP prices) was 5 years, with 8.5% raises, starting at 5.8 million, so ended up about 5 yr 35 million. In other words, Marvin and Harrington basically signed full MLE deals.

Green, however, signed for 4 yrs 36 million in the new CBA, in which the max MLE deal is only available to non-tax teams (driving bidding and competition DOWN), starts at 5 million per year, has smaller raises, and tops out at 4 years, 20-22 million or so. In other words, Harrinton and Marvin were worth Full MLEs in a system that favored players, while Green was given 175% of the full MLE (or 1.75 full MLEs) in a CBA that favors teams more than the old one. That's why it's an overpay.

[eugen]

Pierce? Allen? KG? Rondo? Perk? House? Posey? TA? Shaq?

I think he can only be accused of blowing it with the MLE on Sheed and or JO. Im in the Jo camp myself and I must be forgetting someone but I can't think of anyone he overpaid in the last 5 years except for JO. I suspect the Green signing will be fine.

Of course 4 dollars to paddy obryant was too much

Is a terrbile mistake to sign 4 years contract to someone who is almost broken player ( heart illnes usually send you to retirement in any kind of sports). Seems that Danny like to sign broken players( remember JO and Shaq)

[the_Bird]

I'm not a huge Jeff Green fan (as I think I've made clear), but I'm not THAT upset about the deal (especially with it now at $9M/year, instead of $10M).  I believe he's overpaid, and the Al Harrington/Marvin Williams comparisons are fair; I don't expect Green's production to exceed those guys, I don't see any reason to expect a sudden surge in his abilities.  

With that said...  he's overpaid by what, maybe $2M a year?  Something like a 4/$28M would be viewed as fair value?  Is that extra $2M/year going to make any difference to the team's composition?  It's kind of like when Scal earned $3M and probably only was worth the vet min; he was overpaid and it stuck in people's craw, but it didn't impact any other decision that the team made.  

Once the decision was made to extend KG for three years, the die was cast; cap space was no longer a goal, so unless Green's extra $2M/year (over his "fair value") pushes us up to the luxury tax, I don't think it's really going to make any difference.

[BballTim]

Pierce? Allen? KG? Rondo? Perk? House? Posey? TA? Shaq?

I think he can only be accused of blowing it with the MLE on Sheed and or JO. Im in the Jo camp myself and I must be forgetting someone but I can't think of anyone he overpaid in the last 5 years except for JO. I suspect the Green signing will be fine.

Of course 4 dollars to paddy obryant was too much

I'd argue that the 4 yr/60 mil extension that Pierce got was too much (even though DA arguably got a good deal on that contract, because some other idiotic GM would have easily given him even more).  I think we'll start to see the reality of that over the next couple seasons as Pierce hits age 35 and 36.  But that's debatable on both sides and other than him, I think you have a very good point.

  The Pierce deal was a good one. He opted out of a deal with 3 years left to sign one for four years for not much more overall money.

[chenaren]

I hope Danny will lock up Bradley early.

[wahz]

Brian Scalabrine and Mark Blount are the two that jump to mind.

Yep.  And taking of Raef's contract was a bad decision, even though he didn't hand that one out.

I did ask "in the last 5 years."

[Snakehead]

I hope Danny will lock up Bradley early.

If his shoulders turn out fine and not an issue I wouldn't be surprised by an early extension ala Rondo.  Not that money quite but in the same vein.

[Brendan]

Nothing will ever excuse the Blount signing and the Raef trade still looks like a mistake, but 2008 is like having a kid. Sure I made mistakes in my life that I wouldn't make now, but those mistakes got me here, and to change them might mean I might not have my kids. Couldn't risk it. Up until I had kids, it might have been worth the gamble - but couldn't erase them for anything.

Same thing with 2008 - it was too much fun. I wouldn't fix our drafting under Pitino or DAs first couple of shaky years at the helm. It might risk 2008.

I will wait until actual Green details come out before I flip out, if the fourth year is a team option - the deal would look really good.

[ScottHow]

Nothing will ever excuse the Blount signing and the Raef trade still looks like a mistake, but 2008 is like having a kid. Sure I made mistakes in my life that I wouldn't make now, but those mistakes got me here, and to change them might mean I might not have my kids. Couldn't risk it. Up until I had kids, it might have been worth the gamble - but couldn't erase them for anything.

Same thing with 2008 - it was too much fun. I wouldn't fix our drafting under Pitino or DAs first couple of shaky years at the helm. It might risk 2008.

I will wait until actual Green details come out before I flip out, if the fourth year is a team option - the deal would look really good.

The butterfly effect.

[pearljammer10]

how did he blow it on sheed? sheed was very good in the playoffs and thats all that matters.

I would also argue, and probably be in the minority, that he didnt blow it on JONeal either. Dude got plauged with injuries for us. But when it came down to it, he provided with very good minutes defensively and we were a much better team with him on the floor. We got a veteran defensive past all star contention center for the MLE. It really wasnt a bad move, he just got extremely unlucky with his more than fragile body.

[Snakehead]

how did he blow it on sheed? sheed was very good in the playoffs and thats all that matters.

I would also argue, and probably be in the minority, that he didnt blow it on JONeal either. Dude got plauged with injuries for us. But when it came down to it, he provided with very good minutes defensively and we were a much better team with him on the floor. We got a veteran defensive past all star contention center for the MLE. It really wasnt a bad move, he just got extremely unlucky with his more than fragile body.

I agree, even though there as apparently a little more than injury issues with JO.  Sheed wasn't overpaying at all.  He did help us in the playoffs a lot.

MLE is tough to say is overpaying most of the time.  It's a different situation.

[Rondo_is_better]

I hope Danny will lock up Bradley early.

I think his shoulders might be a chronic and crippling condition that keep him from ever realizing his potential.

[CoachBo]

The criticism is misguided, as other thoughtful posters here have pointed out, because Green remains the only possible youthful value for the Celtics available, especially at that price.

Green is probably going to be doomed forever in Boston anyway as the man who was acquired for Celtic Fan's beloved Kendrick Perkins, never mind that Perkins' production has dropped off the face of the Earth and he's an amnesty candidate in Oklahoma City as a result.

I suspect Green could put up 25 and 15 a night and some fans would still be crying about his contract.