Jeff Green vs Ryan Anderson

[Kane3387]

I'll take green.

Hope his contract is something like 7.5, 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 = 36 over 4 years.

7.5 this year wouldn't hurt as much.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'll take green.

Hope his contract is something like 7.5, 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 = 36 over 4 years.

7.5 this year wouldn't hurt as much.

Looking at our cap situation, I think we might be better served with a front-loaded contract.

[action781]

I'll take green.

Hope his contract is something like 7.5, 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 = 36 over 4 years.

7.5 this year wouldn't hurt as much.

The maximum year-over-year percent change in salary for Green is 7.5% I think, so those numbers wouldn't work.

[Kane3387]

I'll take green.

Hope his contract is something like 7.5, 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 = 36 over 4 years.

7.5 this year wouldn't hurt as much.

The maximum year-over-year percent change in salary for Green is 7.5% I think, so those numbers wouldn't work.

Ok good info. How do you know for sure tho?

Tp

[moiso]

I think Ryan Anderson is a better player right now.  Green probably has the greater upside. 

[zerophase]

Even if Green played the way he did after the trade, as long as he is healthy and can continue to contribute, this contract will make him look severely underpaid like Rajon's contract.

[tonyto3690]

Are people really going with Jeff Green here?

Sorry folks, but as much as we want Green to succeed, he is clearly not as talented or productive as Anderson.  Anderson was a good rebounder, could stretch the floor, and played decent defense. 

Green in his time here was a horrible rebounder, couldn't shoot, and was a passable defender.  Green did literally nothing well and everything mediocre or worse.

Jeff Green got massively, disgustingly, embarrassingly overpaid and Anderson got paid about what he's worth, give or take.

[i_love_waltah]

Are people really going with Jeff Green here?

Sorry folks, but as much as we want Green to succeed, he is clearly not as talented or productive as Anderson.  Anderson was a good rebounder, could stretch the floor, and played decent defense. 

Green in his time here was a horrible rebounder, couldn't shoot, and was a passable defender.  Green did literally nothing well and everything mediocre or worse.

Anderson is a half step up from another euro player.  Give green a chance.  The dude couldnt even get comfortable with us.  Now he has a relationship with a lot of the guys.  He's not so nervous.  As for Anderson the guy can shoot.  Can't defend. And I think he's reached his peak. He can only go down

Jeff Green got massively, disgustingly, embarrassingly overpaid and Anderson got paid about what he's worth, give or take.

[i_love_waltah]

Are people really going with Jeff Green here?

Sorry folks, but as much as we want Green to succeed, he is clearly not as talented or productive as Anderson.  Anderson was a good rebounder, could stretch the floor, and played decent defense. 

Green in his time here was a horrible rebounder, couldn't shoot, and was a passable defender.  Green did literally nothing well and everything mediocre or worse.

Jeff Green got massively, disgustingly, embarrassingly overpaid and Anderson got paid about what he's worth, give or take.

Anderson is a half step up from another euro player.  Give green a chance.  The dude couldnt even get comfortable with us.  Now he has a relationship with a lot of the guys.  He's not so nervous.  As for Anderson the guy can shoot.  Can't defend. And I think he's reached his peak. He can only go down

Jeff Green got massively, disgustingly, embarrassingly overpaid and Anderson got paid about what he's worth, give or take.

[jyyzzoel]

The Celtics are a defensive team. ...a guy like Anderson doesn't make sense for us, whereas My Little Pony will play defense, and does make sense.

Jeff has all the physical tools to be an elite defender.  I think he will improve his D immensely with a full season playing in our defensive system.

I see the potential for a Luol Deng type career for Jeff Green as a Celtic.

wow! luol deng!??! really? thats a big call. jeff has been in the league for at least 3 years and hasnt shown the slightest ability to reach luol dengs level. he may be a very very poor mans luol deng - but honestly i hope ur right.

[jyyzzoel]

Are people really going with Jeff Green here?

Sorry folks, but as much as we want Green to succeed, he is clearly not as talented or productive as Anderson.  Anderson was a good rebounder, could stretch the floor, and played decent defense. 

Green in his time here was a horrible rebounder, couldn't shoot, and was a passable defender.  Green did literally nothing well and everything mediocre or worse.

Jeff Green got massively, disgustingly, embarrassingly overpaid and Anderson got paid about what he's worth, give or take.

agreed. agreed. agreed. etc.

i dont know what jeff green these other people are seeing.

[crimson_stallion]

Are people really going with Jeff Green here?

Sorry folks, but as much as we want Green to succeed, he is clearly not as talented or productive as Anderson.  Anderson was a good rebounder, could stretch the floor, and played decent defense. 

Green in his time here was a horrible rebounder, couldn't shoot, and was a passable defender.  Green did literally nothing well and everything mediocre or worse.

Jeff Green got massively, disgustingly, embarrassingly overpaid and Anderson got paid about what he's worth, give or take.

How do you even come up with this nonsense?

You say Anderson was a good rebounder, streched the floor, and played decent defense and was paid fairly.

You say Green was a horrible rebounder, couldn't shoot, and was a passable defender and was way overpaid.

Did you actually check their stats before making those claims?

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Statistic - Anderson / Green
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Off Reb% - 12.7% / 3.7%
Def Reb% - 14.8% / 13.8%
Total Reb% - 13.7% / 8.9%
Ass Ratio - 5.7 / 9.5
TO Ratio: - 6.04 / 8.73
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Shooting
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Inside - 56% / 66%
Close -  23% / 34%
Midrange - 32% / 40%
Corner 3 - 44% / 44%
Break 3 - 38% / 25%

So...

Rebounds
* Anderson's tot reb rate is dead on the 13.6% league average for a PF
* Green's tot reb rate is dead on the 9.0% league average for a SF

Passing
* Anderson's assist ratio is FAR below the 12.85 league average for a PF
* Green's assist ratio is below (but much closer to) the 15.99 league average for a SF

Turnovers
* Anderson's Turnover ratio is far below the 13.4 league average for a PF
* Green's turnover ratio is significantl below the 12.2 league average for a SF

Shooting - Inside
* Anderson's inside scoring percentage is FAR below the 64% league average for a PF
* Green's inside scoring percentage is above the 63% league average for a SF

Shooting - Close
* Anderson's close scoring percentage is FAR below the 39.2% average for a PF
* Green's close scoring percentage is slightly below the 35.5% league average for a SF

Shooting - Mid
* Anderson's midrange scoring percentage is far below the 39% league average for a PF
* Green's midrange scoring percentage is significantly above the 37% league average for a SF

In terms of 3PT shooting they are dead even from the corner, but Anderson is clearly far more accurate on above-the-break threes.

So looking at all of these numbers relative to the position they play, how on earth can you come to the above conclusions?   

1. Clearly Jeff Green and Ryan Anderson are equally capable rebounders relative to their primary position.

2. Anderson less prone to turnovers (he's good for top 90% in the league in that regard), but both players are elite in this regard.

3. Green is a better passer, with an assist ratio that's almost twice as good as Anderson's

4. Jeff Green is clearly a more versatile scorer then Anderson.  The only spot that Anderson is better from is above the break threes.  On corner threes they shoot the exact same percentage, and from everywhere inside the 3PT line Anderson is horribly inefficient (while Green is consistently above average).

Call me crazy, but if it's costing me the same money I'd rather have the guy whos a better passer, can play multiple positions, is more athletic, and can score from anywhere on the court.

[kozlodoev]

Except you have to consider the fact that Jeff Green has posted the bulk of those stats playing PF for the OKC. Nice try, though.

[crimson_stallion]

Except you have to consider the fact that Jeff Green has posted the bulk of those stats playing PF for the OKC. Nice try, though.

At least half his season was spent in Boston, and if you compare their playoff stats (where Green played mostly SF) his rebounding was actually EQUAL to Anderson's.

Most people are judging Green based on the stats he put up in Boston, coming off the bench, in a system he wasn't familliar with.

Yet in Boston he averaged about 15 points and 5 rebounds per 36 minutes adjusted, while shooting 48.5% from the field and 80% from the FT line.

If Green can give us those kind of numbers on a per-minute basis off the bench along with the athleticism to run with Rondo, the length and quickness to defend guys like Lebron/Carmello and the versatility to play multiple positions, then I'll be stoked.  Especially considering the potential upside he has learning from guys like Pierce, KG and Doc.

Anderson by comparison would pretty much give us nothing that we don't already get from Bass.  Instead of being a knock down midrange shooter, he's a knock down three point shooter.  Bass gives you a slightly lower rebound rate, but a higher assist rate.  Turnover rate is about dead even. Inside scoring rates are similar.  Bass is better physically (tougher, strong, more athletic). 

I'll always take guys who can play mulitple positions well over a guy who can play one position well, because if you get hit by injuries (which seems inevitable for Boston) those guys can fill in at mulitple positions.

[crimson_stallion]

Oh and the way I see it, Anderson also has all of about ZERO upside.

Looking at how good he is now, that's probably about as good as he's ever going to get.

Green has the physical gifts to become a potential future all-star if he develops his game, and Boston is as good a development environment now as anywhere.

I'm not saying he WILL get to that level, but around those veteran guys, playing under Doc, and with Rondo running the offense the potential is there.