is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)

[Snakehead]

Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.

It is more then just being "more athletic"


It helps, but what he brought during the regular season was a lot more. 

  True, but what he brought in the playoffs wasn't much more than that and we still played well with him.

If he continues to play like he did in the playoffs, he is a bench player at best. 


Have to hope that the procedures to fix his shoulder will allow him to regain his regular season level. 

   Presumably he won't continue to play like he did in the playoffs after his shoulder surgery. I'm just saying that he doesn't need to score a ton of points to be an effective starter, he just needs to get out in transition and make the occasional basket in the halfcourt game.

A lot of points have never been the need.  Just top level defense and respectable (thus harder to leave to double) offensively. 

  ...which isn't something that he should have too hard a time achieving.

Especially because his best offensive attribute in addition to running the floor is his cutting ability off the ball.  That isn't going to disappear.  No one is a "streaky cutter".

His shooting should improve too and I hope he gets more assertive off the dribble.

[Jon]

I think Terry might be a better fit for the team.  Might. 

He is a very good shooter, so he should be able to offer similar weakside shooting that Ray offered. 

Where he's likely better than Ray at this point is in creating his own shot.  And that's something that could help on an offense that froze up too many times last year. 

[RebusRankin]

Yes he is. Younger and doesn't have a serious medical issue.

[Celtics18]

I think Terry might be a better fit for the team.  Might. 

He is a very good shooter, so he should be able to offer similar weakside shooting that Ray offered. 

Where he's likely better than Ray at this point is in creating his own shot.  And that's something that could help on an offense that froze up too many times last year. 

Not only is he better at creating his own shot, but he's also better at creating shots for others.  I think he'll be the best back up point guard we've had for Rajon Rondo since this team was put together.  Of course, he will also be able to play very well as a shooting guard.

I think that he may be a better overall player at this point and that he has a very good chance at being a better fit.

Now all we need is a big, athletic, defensive minded combo wing player.  I think that player speaks with a French accent and already loves being a Boston Celtic.

[Who]

Nope -- but Terry is probably the better bench player so there is a good argument to be made that Terry fits the role asked of him better than Ray could fill the bench role he was being asked to fill.

But no, Terry is not a better individual player than Ray. Too small and limited as a defender/rebounder. Comparable albeit different offensive player (ball handling/shot-creation/playmaking, less efficiency).

[Celtics18]

Nope -- but Terry is probably the better bench player so there is a good argument to be made that Terry fits the role asked of him better than Ray could fill the bench role he was being asked to fill.

But no, Terry is not a better individual player than Ray. Too small and limited as a defender/rebounder. Comparable albeit different offensive player (ball handling/shot-creation/playmaking, less efficiency).

I disagree.  Yes, Terry is smaller, and he's a worse rebounder, but defensively, I think he has better lateral foot speed to cover guards, and I think he has a little more tenacity on that end of the floor. 

 I would give the edge offensively to Terry as well because of his more diverse skill set although Ray is clearly the better shooter. 

[Who]

Nope -- but Terry is probably the better bench player so there is a good argument to be made that Terry fits the role asked of him better than Ray could fill the bench role he was being asked to fill.

But no, Terry is not a better individual player than Ray. Too small and limited as a defender/rebounder. Comparable albeit different offensive player (ball handling/shot-creation/playmaking, less efficiency).

I disagree.  Yes, Terry is smaller, and he's a worse rebounder, but defensively, I think he has better lateral foot speed to cover guards, and I think he has a little more tenacity on that end of the floor. 

 I would give the edge offensively to Terry as well because of his more diverse skill set although Ray is clearly the better shooter. 

When Terry is covering PGs, I'd consider them equal as a defender/rebounders.

When Terry is covering SGs, I think Ray is much superior (due to the size difference).

[Celtics18]

Nope -- but Terry is probably the better bench player so there is a good argument to be made that Terry fits the role asked of him better than Ray could fill the bench role he was being asked to fill.

But no, Terry is not a better individual player than Ray. Too small and limited as a defender/rebounder. Comparable albeit different offensive player (ball handling/shot-creation/playmaking, less efficiency).

I disagree.  Yes, Terry is smaller, and he's a worse rebounder, but defensively, I think he has better lateral foot speed to cover guards, and I think he has a little more tenacity on that end of the floor. 

 I would give the edge offensively to Terry as well because of his more diverse skill set although Ray is clearly the better shooter. 

When Terry is covering PGs, I'd consider them equal as a defender/rebounders.

When Terry is covering SGs, I think Ray is much superior (due to the size difference).

I would say that JET is superior to Ray at guarding PGs.  Ray can't guard good PGs at all. 

[Who]

Nope -- but Terry is probably the better bench player so there is a good argument to be made that Terry fits the role asked of him better than Ray could fill the bench role he was being asked to fill.

But no, Terry is not a better individual player than Ray. Too small and limited as a defender/rebounder. Comparable albeit different offensive player (ball handling/shot-creation/playmaking, less efficiency).

I disagree.  Yes, Terry is smaller, and he's a worse rebounder, but defensively, I think he has better lateral foot speed to cover guards, and I think he has a little more tenacity on that end of the floor. 

 I would give the edge offensively to Terry as well because of his more diverse skill set although Ray is clearly the better shooter. 

When Terry is covering PGs, I'd consider them equal as a defender/rebounders.

When Terry is covering SGs, I think Ray is much superior (due to the size difference).

I would say that JET is superior to Ray at guarding PGs.  Ray can't guard good PGs at all. 

Oh yes, fully agree. Sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant Terry is a comparable defender/rebounder at PG as Ray is a defender/rebounder at SG.