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Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2012, 12:08:38 PM »

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A better question would be is 30+ minutes of Bradley a night and 20+ of Ray going to win you more games than 30+ minutes of Ray and 20+ minutes of Bradley?  I'd say yes.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2012, 12:12:58 PM »

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I really don't know where the confidence in Bradley is coming from. For some reason he has become this unquestionable star of a player.

He's a promising young man that showed a lot late in the season, but that's about it.

Hopefully he can build on it, but there's been tons of young players who have shown promise early on and then disappear. Bradley at least looks like a very hard worker, and is defense oriented which is a bonus for him in his longevity.

But I question the confidence in his productivity, which pretty much is the reason why he looked so good late in the season. I hope what he showed us is there to stay, but in this window of fighting for a championship it's not something I would like to count on.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2012, 12:22:44 PM »

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I really don't know where the confidence in Bradley is coming from. For some reason he has become this unquestionable star of a player.

He's a promising young man that showed a lot late in the season, but that's about it.

Hopefully he can build on it, but there's been tons of young players who have shown promise early on and then disappear. Bradley at least looks like a very hard worker, and is defense oriented which is a bonus for him in his longevity.

But I question the confidence in his productivity, which pretty much is the reason why he looked so good late in the season. I hope what he showed us is there to stay, but in this window of fighting for a championship it's not something I would like to count on.

  First of all there's a lot of space between a star and better than Ray. Secondly, Bradley's best attributes are his defense and running the court with Rondo in transition, those things will stay with him. The main question is his jump shooting and maybe his offensive aggressiveness, which will probably come and go but shouldn't be bad enough to knock him into being a liability. He's not a sure thing but IMO he's more likely to improve than digress at this stage in his career.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2012, 12:27:14 PM »

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People have confidence in Bradley because even when his offense was poor, he helped the team just with his defense, and that is not going away.

Even if his offense ends up somewhere between its January and April levels, he's a legit starter.

Personally I'm still not quite sure about his long run fit with Rondo. But at least Rondo seems to enjoy playing with him...which is more than we can say about He Who Shall Not Be Named.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2012, 12:38:42 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2012, 12:46:04 PM »

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I really don't know where the confidence in Bradley is coming from. For some reason he has become this unquestionable star of a player.

He's a promising young man that showed a lot late in the season, but that's about it.

Hopefully he can build on it, but there's been tons of young players who have shown promise early on and then disappear. Bradley at least looks like a very hard worker, and is defense oriented which is a bonus for him in his longevity.

But I question the confidence in his productivity, which pretty much is the reason why he looked so good late in the season. I hope what he showed us is there to stay, but in this window of fighting for a championship it's not something I would like to count on.

It isn't so much confidence in Bradley's productivity, but in that Rondo-Bradley-Pierce-Bass-KG unit that turned our season around.
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Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2012, 12:49:44 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2012, 12:54:05 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.



It is more then just being "more athletic"


It helps, but what he brought during the regular season was a lot more. 

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2012, 12:54:49 PM »

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Simple answer, no. Jason Terry is not better than Ray Allen. However, the sting of losing Ray is significantly lessened by the fact that there's a Jason Terry in his place. However, it isn't equal value, no way. However, it's as close as you can get when losing Ray.

I dont know, in 2012 I feel like jason terry might be better than ray allen...like I said, hes not the shooter that ray allen is, but hes not too shabby..plus he can:

1. create shots driving to the hoop
2. create shots off the dribble

ray all too often had to have offense Created for him. running through screens to get open and shoot.

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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2012, 01:00:26 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.



It is more then just being "more athletic"


It helps, but what he brought during the regular season was a lot more. 

  True, but what he brought in the playoffs wasn't much more than that and we still played well with him.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2012, 01:01:59 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.



It is more then just being "more athletic"


It helps, but what he brought during the regular season was a lot more. 

  True, but what he brought in the playoffs wasn't much more than that and we still played well with him.


If he continues to play like he did in the playoffs, he is a bench player at best. 


Have to hope that the procedures to fix his shoulder will allow him to regain his regular season level. 

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2012, 01:05:51 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful.  


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.



It is more then just being "more athletic"


It helps, but what he brought during the regular season was a lot more.  

  True, but what he brought in the playoffs wasn't much more than that and we still played well with him.


If he continues to play like he did in the playoffs, he is a bench player at best.  


Have to hope that the procedures to fix his shoulder will allow him to regain his regular season level.  

   Presumably he won't continue to play like he did in the playoffs after his shoulder surgery. I'm just saying that he doesn't need to score a ton of points to be an effective starter, he just needs to get out in transition and make the occasional basket in the halfcourt game. Not everyone that wants him to start is depending on him playing a major role on offense.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2012, 01:07:06 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.



It is more then just being "more athletic"


It helps, but what he brought during the regular season was a lot more. 

  True, but what he brought in the playoffs wasn't much more than that and we still played well with him.


If he continues to play like he did in the playoffs, he is a bench player at best. 


Have to hope that the procedures to fix his shoulder will allow him to regain his regular season level. 

   Presumably he won't continue to play like he did in the playoffs after his shoulder surgery. I'm just saying that he doesn't need to score a ton of points to be an effective starter, he just needs to get out in transition and make the occasional basket in the halfcourt game.



A lot of points have never been the need.  Just top level defense and respectable (thus harder to leave to double) offensively. 

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2012, 01:08:30 PM »

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Many fans are very hopeful. 


They saw a glimpse of something Bradley could be and instantly projected him to be even better.



It is a good possibility, but one where there could be growing pains.

  It's not just what Bradley could be, it's how much more athletic we are as a unit starting him over Ray.



It is more then just being "more athletic"


It helps, but what he brought during the regular season was a lot more. 

  True, but what he brought in the playoffs wasn't much more than that and we still played well with him.


If he continues to play like he did in the playoffs, he is a bench player at best. 


Have to hope that the procedures to fix his shoulder will allow him to regain his regular season level. 

   Presumably he won't continue to play like he did in the playoffs after his shoulder surgery. I'm just saying that he doesn't need to score a ton of points to be an effective starter, he just needs to get out in transition and make the occasional basket in the halfcourt game.



A lot of points have never been the need.  Just top level defense and respectable (thus harder to leave to double) offensively. 

  ...which isn't something that he should have too hard a time achieving.

Re: is Jason Terry better than Ray allen?(at this point in time)
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2012, 01:09:20 PM »

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Different.

I would say different. I don't think either is better than the other but that one does things better than the other can and so as total talents, they are about as talented and bring as much to the team, but just in different ways.