woj article: ray chose miami to stick it to the celtics

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What's interesting me is the contrast between Ainge and Red Auerbach.  Red always believed in loyalty, which is why he didn't move any of the previous Big 3 when they began to decline.  Danny has often said he disagrees with that. 

This is the downside of Danny's philosophy. For all this stuff about his supposed military demeanor, what Ray did is kind of what a teenager would want to do if they felt s--t upon.  The dude has a serious ego -- which is also probably part of what has made him such a good player.

Comparing Ainge to Red where loyalty is concerned is hardly fair.

Red didn't have the salary cap, luxury tax,  miniumm and maximum salaries, fixed rookie salaries, and free agent conplexities that a current NBA GM has today.  Not to mention managing expiring contracts...etc.

Danny has made a bunch of good moves and a few bad ones....But it's a bit of a stretch to question his loyalty to his players or his team. 

100% agree about this. I can't imagine Red would do things much differently than Ainge given today's financial parameters. Also, even though Ainge has shopped everyone (including Pierce) often, he also decided against pulling the trigger. The Ray trade to Memphis that either was close to happening or should have happened is the only exception, and quite honestly, we were getting an insane haul in return. Danny goes to the brink, but opted to listen to Doc and the Big 4 (about them still being contenders) pretty much every year in the end. So...I think generalizing that he's disloyal is inaccurate.

[Senninsage]

People are saying it takes two, but has there never been a situation where one side was wrong, and one side was right? Both sides don't always have to be in the wrong.

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, but very few people have had complaints about Ray Allen, but many have had complaints about Rondo. Everybody has argued with Rondo about his attitude, pierce, kg, you name it.

[BudweiserCeltic]

At this point who was right, who was wrong is completely irrelevant in my opinion. Ray was unhappy here? Hey that's fine, I can understand it. He can leave, and would be fine with his decision.

But how he's leaving and to who is leaving makes him a turd in my opinion. Rondo can be the evilest of persons, but what Ray has done is personal to me and Celtics fans. The most hilarious thing about it, if reports are right, is that he never understood the city of Boston and his fans if he thought people wouldn't be so hard on him for leaving to Miami in this fashion.

[lightspeed5]

People are saying it takes two, but has there never been a situation where one side was wrong, and one side was right? Both sides don't always have to be in the wrong.

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, but very few people have had complaints about Ray Allen, but many have had complaints about Rondo. Everybody has argued with Rondo about his attitude, pierce, kg, you name it.

noone on the celtics have a beef with rondo except ray


rays ego couldnt handle it

[heitingas]

Why can't this woj dude S-T-F-U for  once?!

[BballTim]

People are saying it takes two, but has there never been a situation where one side was wrong, and one side was right? Both sides don't always have to be in the wrong.

I'm not saying who's right or wrong, but very few people have had complaints about Ray Allen, but many have had complaints about Rondo. Everybody has argued with Rondo about his attitude, pierce, kg, you name it.

  Everyone argues at some point in time, people here just get more excited when it involves Rondo. It sounds like Ray had a lot of axes to grind, Rondo was just one of them.

[TripleOT]

Where's Lamar Odom when you need him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RDCut1oGiQ

[Casperian]

I think he takes a logical leap, though, and assumes that he signed in Miami as a middle finger to Boston.  I don't buy that.

I think Ray was aware of the reaction this move would cause.

You´re not signing with the team which just beat you in a game 7, for less money, without making a definitive statement about your old team.

As much as I like Ray Allen, it´s basically a "Good bye, losers, I´m off to greener pastures."

[Who]

WOJ doesnt post opinion pieces...the guy is probably one of the best/most knowledgable reporters on the NBA

Woj posts opinion pieces all the time.  He's also not above conjecture.  Have you read any of the stuff (bordering on unprofessional) that he's written about Lebron in the past?

Yes, he does and I think this is another one of his hit-pieces (against Ray this time).

I'm not giving it much credibility. I believe Wojnarowski is purposely exaggerating and adding his own conjecture to get more viewers on his webpage.

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Why isn't Marc Spears the one that is writing this column? He was a beat-writer for the Boston Globe for goodness sake. He has shown himself to have good ties to team in the past.

Why is Wojnarowski writing this article instead?

[lightspeed5]

woj has many insider nba sources, possibly the most in the business.

[footey]

What's interesting me is the contrast between Ainge and Red Auerbach.  Red always believed in loyalty, which is why he didn't move any of the previous Big 3 when they began to decline.  Danny has often said he disagrees with that. 

This is the downside of Danny's philosophy. For all this stuff about his supposed military demeanor, what Ray did is kind of what a teenager would want to do if they felt s--t upon.  The dude has a serious ego -- which is also probably part of what has made him such a good player.

I agree.  I think Danny needs to re-evaluate the often expressed view that everyone is tradeable. He needs to keep a lid on that philosophy, even if true. These guys have egos, and if you want the coach to sell them on Obuntu, you have to be consistent....Until a better deal comes along!!

[cman88]

cmon Roy, you know that this article isnt one of his'opinion pieces" though. hes quoting sources as to why ray allen left.

while the whole "to stick it to the celtics" might be his opinion

the stuff coming from sources about:

1. Ray being angry that Rondo was making more $$ than him and KG/PP
2. Ray being angry at doc for not giving him his starting job back
3. Ray not liking a 'younger guy" telling him what to do
4. ray demanding 3years/27million

just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and is very telling...Ray may have an over-inflated view of his worth in the league.

[mctyson]

He could've broken Boston's hearts and left for anywhere, but clearly there’s a part of Allen that wants to exact some kind of revenge on the Celtics. There was nowhere else to do that but Miami.

All you need to read right there.

[BballTim]

WOJ doesnt post opinion pieces...the guy is probably one of the best/most knowledgable reporters on the NBA

Woj posts opinion pieces all the time.  He's also not above conjecture.  Have you read any of the stuff (bordering on unprofessional) that he's written about Lebron in the past?

Yes, he does and I think this is another one of his hit-pieces (against Ray this time).

I'm not giving it much credibility. I believe Wojnarowski is purposely exaggerating and adding his own conjecture to get more viewers on his webpage.

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Why isn't Marc Spears the one that is writing this column? He was a beat-writer for the Boston Globe for goodness sake. He has shown himself to have good ties to team in the past.

Why is Wojnarowski writing this article instead?

  Spears wasn't in Boston for more than a year or two and I never felt he had great insight into the inner workings of the team.

[CelticSooner]

You know there is animosity there.