All Purpose Ray Allen Venting Thread (merged)

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Or the constant shopping (nothing wrong with that) helped push Ray out. 

What is he, 14 years old?  It's a NBA GMs job to shop his players.  Every Celtic was shopped.  You don't see them selling out and joining the franchise that's made a mockery of the league. 

I equate players taking less money to chase a ring equivalent to the parents of the 3 best players in a little league colluding to have their kids play together ... it pretty much makes a mockery of any fair competition.  Ray perpetuated this.

He is an older star who doesn't want that uncertainty effecting his family.

If that were the case he should have taken Danny's no-trade offer--which the Heat couldn't give him anyway.

[RebusRankin]

Ray leaving is like your girlfriend dumping you and then hooking up with the guy you hated in high school.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Or the constant shopping (nothing wrong with that) helped push Ray out. 

What is he, 14 years old?  It's a NBA GMs job to shop his players.  Every Celtic was shopped.  You don't see them selling out and joining the franchise that's made a mockery of the league. 

I equate players taking less money to chase a ring equivalent to the parents of the 3 best players in a little league colluding to have their kids play together ... it pretty much makes a mockery of any fair competition.  Ray perpetuated this.

He is an older star who doesn't want that uncertainty effecting his family.

If that were the case he should have taken Danny's no-trade offer--which the Heat couldn't give him anyway.

That's not even the point. The point is he chose Miami even with the knowledge of what backlash it's going to do with his legacy in Boston and of the fanbase.

I get that Memphis is not a good place to live, but that's a championship contender with him. Clips are as well, and they were interested in him and that is a championship contender with him. Yet he chose Miami, for less money, and less playing time might I add. That's for the very purpose probably just sticking it to Danny.

Ray did prove Danny right in a way, but this is impossible to see. Ray showed how petty he is and trust me, if he would have known, he pulled the trigger.

[Smitty77]

Senninsage,

Yes, Ray had a fantastic 13 Efficiency Rating in Game 7.  That was one point away from his high for the series, +14, which he did twice.  He had an Efficieny Rating of 10.43 for the series vs. the Heat.  Yes, we certainly should have paid him 9 million a year for three stinking years.  (Oh, and don't forget making him ONLY the third player in the league with a NO TRADE clause:-)))

Smitty77

[lightspeed5]

Or the constant shopping (nothing wrong with that) helped push Ray out. 

What is he, 14 years old?  It's a NBA GMs job to shop his players.  Every Celtic was shopped.  You don't see them selling out and joining the franchise that's made a mockery of the league. 

I equate players taking less money to chase a ring equivalent to the parents of the 3 best players in a little league colluding to have their kids play together ... it pretty much makes a mockery of any fair competition.  Ray perpetuated this.

He is an older star who doesn't want that uncertainty effecting his family.

you mean like a no-trade clause?

[rayallen1934]

Senninsage,

Yes, Ray had a fantastic 13 Efficiency Rating in Game 7.  That was one point away from his high for the series, +14, which he did twice.  He had an Efficieny Rating of 10.43 for the series vs. the Heat.  Yes, we certainly should have paid him 9 million a year for three stinking years.  (Oh, and don't forget making him ONLY the third player in the league with a NO TRADE clause:-)))

Smitty77

He was Hurt

What did Bradley do?

[rayallen1934]

Ray proved Danny right for shopping him at the trade deadline.  He was trying to get something for his expiring deal.  Instead, he's left with nothing.  Too bad Danny couldn't pull the trigger for Mayo during the season ... perhaps would've won us a title this past year, as a hobbled Ray was a big-time liability in the playoffs.  Oh well.

Are you saying that Allen's 37% shooting and turn style defense in the ECF hindered the Cs chance at an 18th title last month?

Your right, why couldnt Ray Shoot Like PAUL PIERCE in that series


Paul Pierce 34% from the field, and 26% from Three Point Land.

[Rondoholic]

First off, I will forever appreciate what Ray did for over the last 5 yrs, especially the 2007-08 title team.

With that said, I don't feel bad about about this for a variety of reasons and I have absolutely no qualms ab booing the absolute crap out of the guy. All this consummate pro stuff is BS.

This was not comparable to Damon, Clemens, etc. because, in this situation, the Boston team actually paid more $$.

He sold out for a title, which is weird considering the fact that most people who do this have never won a title in the first place, and thus we understand their desperation.

He put his legacy in the city on the line with his decision and now it's gone.

He sacrificed 2x the annual salary he would have made here.

He sacrificed more playing time because D. Wade is a more proven player than AB at the 2 spot.

With all this said, I now equate Ray as a mercenary or a man without a country. With his career spread basically evenly amongst Milwaukee, Seattle, and Boston, he could have taken this opportunity to solidify his identity with one franchise -- the Celtics. Instead, he threw it all away. I feel like very few would have came to the conclusion he did when you lay all the chips on the table. That's what makes me so confused/angry.

Let us not forget about Jet. Bring JT into town only reduces Ray's playing time even more. No doubt he'll get a bigger role in Miami serving as the primary wing off the bench whereas in Boston he'll have to jostle with JT and Bradley.

I still don't get why his legacy is on the line. This statement implies that by staying here, Ray will further cement his legacy. Dare I ask how? If we win another championship, it is high unlikely that Ray will play a big role. He'll be remembered as the one that played 15 minutes night in the finals and being too slow on D to keep up with Harden. This is Rondo's team now, and KG is the defensive anchor. We're not talking about a 32 year old Ray anymore. If we win it'll be due to Rondo's stardom, Garnett's continuous age-defying play, and Bradley's tenacious energy. Ray will play a very small part. But banner 18 features Ray in a leading actor role, along with PP and KG. Ray will be a supporting actor at best if we win again, so there's no legacy to cement.

Ray's legacy as an NBA player was not on the line with this decision but his legacy with the Celtics was. The more time you spend with a city/team, the more capital you have in the minds of that fan base EVEN if your role gets minimized in your latter years.

Ray will be a HOFer no matter what BUT now there is no single team that he will be linked to when looking back at his career (like I said, he's evenly spent his career split between 3 teams, now 4).

If he stayed put, he could have had that legacy in Boston like the other legends here.

[OmarSekou]

Like many it's tough to see Ray go because he was one of my favorite players before he ever was a Celtic. Then when he became a Celtic and we won a title it was magic. Even this year where we came up brutally short, I'll always remember the heart Allen showed to play on a gimpy ankle and turn back the clock when the pressure spiked.

This one move kind of erases all of those great memories. I don't even blame him, I just don't feel anything for him anymore. I would love if when he gets announced in Boston the crowd goes silent. No cheers, no boos...just silence. I have no problem letting Ray become a forgotten chapter in Celtic history.

And I feel the Rondo-Ray stuff is overblown. I think they clashed off the court because of on the court stuff. Ray never found his niche on the Celtics. Often fruitlessly running off screens that wound the clock down and not enough of an athlete to give Rondo a running mate (not either of their faults). I'm sure it will be easier for him in Miami where he can just stand and wait to catch the ball either wide open or with his opponent off balance.

[rayallen1934]

Like many it's tough to see Ray go because he was one of my favorite players before he ever was a Celtic. Then when he became a Celtic and we won a title it was magic. Even this year where we came up brutally short, I'll always remember the heart Allen showed to play on a gimpy ankle and turn back the clock when the pressure spiked.

This one move kind of erases all of those great memories. I don't even blame him, I just don't feel anything for him anymore. I would love if when he gets announced in Boston the crowd goes silent. No cheers, no boos...just silence. I have no problem letting Ray become a forgotten chapter in Celtic history.

And I feel the Rondo-Ray stuff is overblown. I think they clashed off the court because of on the court stuff. Ray never found his niche on the Celtics. Often fruitlessly running off screens that wound the clock down and not enough of an athlete to give Rondo a running mate (not either of their faults). I'm sure it will be easier for him in Miami where he can just stand and wait to catch the ball either wide open or with his opponent off balance.

It doesnt matter if you think its OVERBLOWN. The situation with Rondo could have been really bad, to the point where Rondo wanted Ray gone.

[mgent]

We made his bed when we gave away HIS spot to a guy that played really well for 3 weeks.  He was so shook he started to look like Ben Wallace for a while.

[eugen]

Ray proved Danny right for shopping him at the trade deadline.  He was trying to get something for his expiring deal. 

No...2 years in a row, close to dealine market, means that Danny was trying to tell Ray that he was not anymore on Cs plans for the future. Ray has 100% right to be upset.

[17wasEZ]

Ray could have just requested for a trade since he was constantly in trade rumors. It could've at least meant a better parting of ways on both sides. We get somebody in return and he gets the pay he wanted. He just couldn't take it in him that he'd been a defense liability since 2010 (as evidenced by his inability to stop the SGs of opposing teams particularly Kobe in the finals). It was clearly evident again against Dwade and to the other SGs he was assigned to defend in the recent playoffs. Instead, he chose to spat on our faces.

Classless.

Yep. At least Nash asked the front office if its cool and got them some picks out of it.  As much as don't like Nash now for going to the Lakers, he's still has some class left in him...

Nash asked the front office for a trade so that he could get more money.  The Lakers could have only signed him to the same contract Ray signed with Miami which is 3 years for 9.7M. Now, Nash is making about 8-9M per season.

[mctyson]

Ray proved Danny right for shopping him at the trade deadline.  He was trying to get something for his expiring deal.  Instead, he's left with nothing.  Too bad Danny couldn't pull the trigger for Mayo during the season ... perhaps would've won us a title this past year, as a hobbled Ray was a big-time liability in the playoffs.  Oh well.

And this is why he traded Perkins.  Never a guarantee you can work out a sign and trade.  Sometimes you have to make the trade when it is available.

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Ray proved Danny right for shopping him at the trade deadline.  He was trying to get something for his expiring deal. 

No...2 years in a row, close to dealine market, means that Danny was trying to tell Ray that he was not anymore on Cs plans for the future. Ray has 100% right to be upset.

Danny wouldn't try to trade a player in order to communicate his lack of long-term interest in said player.  Danny's the GM--it's his job to see if there are any trades available that would make the C's a better team.