Jeff Green to get 4-year 40 million deal (report)

[guava_wrench]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

[ScottHow]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

Yea pretty much. If it comes down to overpaying a bit for Green at the risk of a Wilcox type, then do it. I'll take my chances that a our rookies can play the Wilcox role.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

Yea pretty much. If it comes down to overpaying a bit for Green at the risk of a Wilcox type, then do it. I'll take my chances that a our rookies can play the Wilcox role.

I really don't see how overpaying Green to this amount affects Wilcox in any way. We don't have Bird Rights for him, or any of the sort. He would be available at the BAE, and that's about it other than vet min. I think we'd still be enough under the Apron to offer that.

Pietrus, well has some other exceptions we can use, but we can't go high with him either if I recall correctly.

So, Green really doesn't come into play particularly if the difference between staying or not is a 6-7 million contract vs. the speculated 9 million or so.

[paintitgreen]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

Yeah, I also don't care if signing Green jeapordizes getting Pietrus or Wilcox. Green is better than them. I'm not worried about what this keeps them from getting this year, since they seem to be saving elsewhere and he is a quality player. I just worry that topping the $10 mil a year amount puts a lot of added pressure on him to do things he's not well equipped to do (score a lot) and the extra $6-8 million ($40 as opposed to $32-34) on the contract makes him a less desirable trade chip if that's the best option with him in the next 2-3 years.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

Well, good luck with depth when Green gets hurt or his heart has another explosion.

[Snakehead]

Well, good luck with depth when Green gets hurt or his heart has another explosion.

Yeah that old "heart exploding" disorder.  It's a tough thing to deal with.

[Fan from VT]

http://www.csnne.com/pages/celticsvideo?PID=uvXM2-0pWf3fdMjR16WTCP37AyERXezViOXa3D

This deal, if struck, is runner-up for worst deal of this offseason behind Asik's deal.

Let's not go overboard. Landry Fields' deal is definitely the worst.

 This is a robbery Who is Landry Fields?
The NBA today do not understand me.

Landry fields is basically as effective as jeff green, but was just drafted much later than green, so people think he must be worse.

[guava_wrench]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

Yeah, I also don't care if signing Green jeapordizes getting Pietrus or Wilcox. Green is better than them. I'm not worried about what this keeps them from getting this year, since they seem to be saving elsewhere and he is a quality player. I just worry that topping the $10 mil a year amount puts a lot of added pressure on him to do things he's not well equipped to do (score a lot) and the extra $6-8 million ($40 as opposed to $32-34) on the contract makes him a less desirable trade chip if that's the best option with him in the next 2-3 years.

Personally, I don't think salary means you have to score a lot. People don't just get paid for scoring. He needs to have an impact, but that can happen in many ways.

I also do not think the trade chip concern is fair since it is essentially saying we want to pay players below their value to be able to get even more back by trading them. I think there isn't much of a need to go past the argument that he is overpaid at $10m and the trade problem will naturally follow from that.

[Fan from VT]

http://www.csnne.com/pages/celticsvideo?PID=uvXM2-0pWf3fdMjR16WTCP37AyERXezViOXa3D

This deal, if struck, is runner-up for worst deal of this offseason behind Asik's deal.

Let's not go overboard. Landry Fields' deal is definitely the worst.

 This is a robbery Who is Landry Fields?
The NBA today do not understand me.

Landry fields is basically as effective as jeff green, but was just drafted much later than green, so people think he must be worse.

And that's the problem with Green and this contract.

You want 13.9 point per game from your SF/PF spot?? Oh, and it takes 11.8 Shot Attempts to get those points. Less than 1 block and steal per game? 1.8 Assists? 5.6 Rebounds per game from a SF/PF? All in 33.6 freakin minutes. Awful!!! You can get that off the scrap heap every season.

Literally the only difference between Green and vet min/d-league guys is the number of minutes he plays and where he was drafted. So if you want that below-average across the board production, make a decent vet min signing for 1 million. And if you want Green because you want that replacement level production while soaking up 34 minutes per game...sign 2 vet mins for 2 million.

[CelticSooner]

http://www.csnne.com/pages/celticsvideo?PID=uvXM2-0pWf3fdMjR16WTCP37AyERXezViOXa3D

This deal, if struck, is runner-up for worst deal of this offseason behind Asik's deal.

Let's not go overboard. Landry Fields' deal is definitely the worst.

 This is a robbery Who is Landry Fields?
The NBA today do not understand me.

Landry fields is basically as effective as jeff green, but was just drafted much later than green, so people think he must be worse.

Fields is a scrub that played well for half a season two years ago. Green is much better player than a lot people here give him credit for.

[Fan from VT]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

Yeah, I also don't care if signing Green jeapordizes getting Pietrus or Wilcox. Green is better than them. I'm not worried about what this keeps them from getting this year, since they seem to be saving elsewhere and he is a quality player. I just worry that topping the $10 mil a year amount puts a lot of added pressure on him to do things he's not well equipped to do (score a lot) and the extra $6-8 million ($40 as opposed to $32-34) on the contract makes him a less desirable trade chip if that's the best option with him in the next 2-3 years.

Personally, I don't think salary means you have to score a lot. People don't just get paid for scoring. He needs to have an impact, but that can happen in many ways.

I also do not think the trade chip concern is fair since it is essentially saying we want to pay players below their value to be able to get even more back by trading them. I think there isn't much of a need to go past the argument that he is overpaid at $10m and the trade problem will naturally follow from that.

The silver lining is we can spend a year discussing the "Jeff Green's Expiring Contract" in '15-'16.

[MomentForLove]

Listen, I like Jeff but if we choose to give him more money than Ersan Ilyasova gets we will become the laughing stock of the league. Ilyasova averaged 9 boards last year while finishing second in the league in 3 point %. Hmmm, rebounds and threes? That doesn't sound like something we need?

Ilyasova has a long way to go but we could be looking at the next Dirk.

[ScottHow]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

Yea pretty much. If it comes down to overpaying a bit for Green at the risk of a Wilcox type, then do it. I'll take my chances that a our rookies can play the Wilcox role.

I really don't see how overpaying Green to this amount affects Wilcox in any way. We don't have Bird Rights for him, or any of the sort. He would be available at the BAE, and that's about it other than vet min. I think we'd still be enough under the Apron to offer that.

Pietrus, well has some other exceptions we can use, but we can't go high with him either if I recall correctly.

So, Green really doesn't come into play particularly if the difference between staying or not is a 6-7 million contract vs. the speculated 9 million or so.

I wasn't saying it does. I was just saying if it did affect it, I wouldn't care, unlike lehgoceltics

[BudweiserCeltic]

Exactly. Him getting that number jeopardizes resigning key vets like Wilcox and Pietrus, which I'm sure Danny is aware of as well. He would be mad to give Green such an exorbitant offer.

I'm sorry but I can't accept that Wilcox should ever be considered a 'key'. The dude has been around a long time and has always been injury prone and mediocre. Considering how many young bigs we have now, they really need to get minutes after a full training camp. Wilcox is also so mediocre and injury prone that he won't demand much money.

I would also rather have Green that Pietrus. I want someone on the way up. not sure Pietrus will get much money either.

Yea pretty much. If it comes down to overpaying a bit for Green at the risk of a Wilcox type, then do it. I'll take my chances that a our rookies can play the Wilcox role.

I really don't see how overpaying Green to this amount affects Wilcox in any way. We don't have Bird Rights for him, or any of the sort. He would be available at the BAE, and that's about it other than vet min. I think we'd still be enough under the Apron to offer that.

Pietrus, well has some other exceptions we can use, but we can't go high with him either if I recall correctly.

So, Green really doesn't come into play particularly if the difference between staying or not is a 6-7 million contract vs. the speculated 9 million or so.

I wasn't saying it does. I was just saying if it did affect it, I wouldn't care, unlike lehgoceltics

Wasn't replying to you, but to the discussion thread. I'm with you anyways in that regard.

[Fan from VT]

http://www.csnne.com/pages/celticsvideo?PID=uvXM2-0pWf3fdMjR16WTCP37AyERXezViOXa3D

This deal, if struck, is runner-up for worst deal of this offseason behind Asik's deal.

Let's not go overboard. Landry Fields' deal is definitely the worst.

 This is a robbery Who is Landry Fields?
The NBA today do not understand me.

Landry fields is basically as effective as jeff green, but was just drafted much later than green, so people think he must be worse.

Fields is a scrub that played well for half a season two years ago. Green is much better player than a lot people here give him credit for.

For every 40 minutes:
Green vs Fields:
Most recent season:
Points: 16.4 vs 12.2
Rebs: 5.9 vs 5.9
Assts: 1.8 vs 3.6
TS%: 53.8 vs 50.6
PER: 12.9 vs 12.07

Best Season:
18.0 vs 12.5
7.2 vs 8.2
2.2 vs 2.4
TS% 53.8 vs 59.8
PER: 13.99 vs 13.51


So Green is a better scorer (generally similarly inefficient), but Fields is a better assist guy and rebounder. They play different positions, but Green is, sadly, not much better at his position than Fields. They SHOULD be paid similarly, but Green is projected to get a lot more, mainly due to Name and Draft Legacy. And Green is getting more than Fields' deal which was already an intentional overpay by Toronto in an attempt to derail the Knicks using Fields in a S+T for Nash.

Basically, Toronto Knowingly and Intentionally overpaid Fields to try to block NY from acquiring Nash so that Toronto would look like the better target; despite that, Green is going to get EVEN MORE than Fields got with his alterior-motive inflated deal.