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Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2012, 08:49:15 PM »

Offline mctyson

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he is going to miami.....and honestly..i think boston might be happy he will be....

I think you are right.  If we really wanted Ray back we would offer him the 3rd year, the no-trade, or the trade kicker...whatever it took to get him to stay here and especially not go to Miami.

I think our offer was "hey, we want you back, we'll give you the most money (just barely), we'll give you multiple years (just barely), and we'll say nice things about you in the media...just barely."

I mean, he is going to Miami! The team that we took to Game 7 and prevented us from going to the finals!  The new Evil Empire!!  Why would you NOT prevent Ray from going there??

Unless...you really don't want him.  You think his ability is replacable (it is.)  You think he is physically on the downside of his career (he is.)  You just signed a similar player, a bit younger, a bit healthier, with more flexibility (we did.) You have a stud 21-year old waiting in the wings to eat up all of his minutes (we do)...who is better (he is)...who makes our team much better (he does.)

I am ready to move on.  I'd love to have him back here, but if were going to Memphis or LA would I care as much?  No.  Which tells me all I need to know.

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2012, 09:02:57 PM »

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He may go, he might not.  I'm not sure you can read too much into him staying overnight.  He was originally scheduled to fly to LA, so he has an extra day or two on his hands.  Who would want to get on a plane, make the three hour flight and get home at midnight?  Why not stay over, play some golf and scout some neighborhoods.  If you're really going to be fair to the process, you've got to show some respect to the guys you're speaking with.  He knew the terms before he got on a plane.  The whole point of being down there is to get a feel for his potential new team, his role and the possible living arrangements.  He knows Boston inside and out.  He still may come home, make a list of the pros and cons and choose Boston.  This is a guy that measures out his life by the teaspoon.  So it's not surprising if he's really thinking through the decision.

As for a rift with Rondo, that was clear on the court.  Rondo was lobbying for Avery in the starting lineup (in my opinion) because the team was just much better defensively and hustle-wise; and Ray probably was really p---ed off that Rondo didn't have his back.  Ray was probably remembering how the Big 3 brought Rondo along when he wasn't as good as he is now, and probably feels a bit betrayed.  KG and Paul?  They're willing to sacrifice for the team, and they probably expect Ray to do it too.  They also must have seen the change in the offense/defense numbers with AB in the starting lineup; and it just makes sense to save Ray's legs to come in when some of the starters go out ... rather than all 3 wasting their legs at the same time.

For his ego's sake, it's probably much easier for Ray to start over in Miami.  Either way though, his role is circumscribed.  In Boston he's competing for minutes with Bradley, Terry, and possibly Green and Pietrus.  (Yes, I know Green plays a different position.)  In Miami, he's competing for minutes (besides the 10 he gets backing up Wade) with Chalmers, Cole, Jones, and Battier (and yes, I know they play different positions as well).  That's his competition for time on the court.  And many of those players play better defense and make more hustle plays.  So, I'm not sure what either coach is going to promise him; he's going to have to produce on the court, and there's no guarantee he gets the minutes.

The one irreplaceable talent he has -- late game heroics -- is the one thing both teams want, and that's why they're both desperate to sign him.  He can be the difference between winning and losing a series in just a few shots.  That's the bottom line.

We'll see what he does: whether he extends his legacy and fights through his changing role with grace, or whether he wants a fresh start.  I think Miami's a mistake ... but his emotions might say otherwise.

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #47 on: July 05, 2012, 09:06:44 PM »

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UGH Miami and their **** recruiting tactics.


Here is the Miami recruiting trip video. It starts up with Wade doing some recruiting at the 2 minute mark. Coach Spo speaks to him at the 4 minute mark. However, the trip really becomes wild when a couple of locals show Ray around at the 8 minute mark.   :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHM7qDYhODM&feature=relmfu#t=8m0s

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2012, 09:11:03 PM »

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All Ray has to do is convince Ainge he's going to sign the 3/$8m deal and the Cs will agree to a S and T in order to get somethin back for Allen.  Norris Cole and James Jones get Ray to $5.5m a year, which is the same net as Boston's 2/$12m with no state income tax in FL. 

Jones can take Ray's shooter role, in a more limited capacity, and Cole can back up Rondo.  It's better than getting nothig for Ray. 

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2012, 09:11:45 PM »

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Miami would rather keep Chalmers than trade him for Allen.

Celtics could prob get Norris Cole + Pittman and Miami can give allen close to 4.5 million a year. Otherwise they will not give up any of their main guys in the lineup.

Then Pittman will get waived or traded . Norris Cole would be a decent backup pg

Does ainge have to do this? No and he would rather not help your enemy get better. But if Allen is going there anyways and you can pry away a backup pg, i don't know, you think about it.

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2012, 09:12:19 PM »

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He will sign with the Heat for less money and a chance to sleep with Lebron's mother :)

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #51 on: July 05, 2012, 09:18:10 PM »

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I saw this over on RealGM, let's hope he was getting the hell out from there and coming back home.

 >:(

http://t.co/INoHGV2d

So we're gonna watch him eat cereal tomorrow?

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #52 on: July 05, 2012, 09:23:31 PM »

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I saw this over on RealGM, let's hope he was getting the hell out from there and coming back home.

 >:(

http://t.co/INoHGV2d



So we're gonna watch him eat cereal tomorrow?

If he eats Wheaties, we kNOW  he's going to the Heat :-X

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2012, 09:24:53 PM »

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I guess if my Boss tried to relocate me and demote me and another organization was rolling out the red carpet with their top notch execs (wade, bron, riley) doing everything they can to sway me, I dont think I could choose my old job either. Espicially if I felt that money was not a problem and the issue was importance.

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2012, 09:34:38 PM »

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AP: Ray Allen is staying in Miami overnight, as talks with Heat continue

He's staying in miami overnight, its over. forget it. lets look forward to playing against him. we know all of rays weaknesses, so when we play the heat we can destroy him. he cant handle the ball so rondo will get some steals.

It's like watching your girlfriend go sleep over at another guys house...

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Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2012, 09:37:25 PM »

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I guess if my Boss tried to relocate me and demote me and another organization was rolling out the red carpet with their top notch execs (wade, bron, riley) doing everything they can to sway me, I dont think I could choose my old job either. Espicially if I felt that money was not a problem and the issue was importance.

So is Ray going to have a tv special to announce his "decision"?

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2012, 09:37:44 PM »

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MIAMI — So it appears the Miami Heat and Boston Celtics are in competition yet again.

The Heat are the other finalist for Celtics guard Ray Allen, who on Thursday was in Miami to meet with team personnel. Allen has been targeted by the Heat since the league's free-agency period began Sunday.

Allen's agent, Jim Tanner, did not return a call seeking comment. According to The Associated Press, Allen stayed overnight and talks will continue Friday.

It might just be me but I don't like the last part.
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Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2012, 09:39:44 PM »

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I think it is a little alarming that KG or PP havnt came out publically recruting Ray as Lebron and Dwade have. PP is on twitter alot and you would think he would mention Ray.

Maybe they dont care but I have a feeling that this whole Rondo/Ray feud is real and they have Rondo's side.

im sure theyve been calling him to try and get him to come....but you have to think it irks them watching this whole thing play out.

Allen HATED coming off the bench for boston but is seemingly ok with backing up Wade..

Maybe they feel like they're too mature to play games on Tweeters and Facebooks.

Really dont think showing public support of your teammate to rejoin is considered a "game". Now if Paul named his Farmville "Shuttlesworths Orchard" and posted a pic of it, then yes he is too mature for games.

I'm pretty sure they have been doing it in private.

What LeBron James has been doing is just, to me, more hyper-egoism. If he'd step back and look at what he's doing...it's kind of gross. (that's what I think and I'm very, very biased against him).

He could have called or texted Ray or something instead of courting him in public like something one of Kim Kardashian's boyfriends would do...

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2012, 10:13:23 PM »

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UGH Miami and their **** recruiting tactics.


Here is the Miami recruiting trip video. It starts up with Wade doing some recruiting at the 2 minute mark. Coach Spo speaks to him at the 4 minute mark. However, the trip really becomes wild when a couple of locals show Ray around at the 8 minute mark.   :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHM7qDYhODM&feature=relmfu#t=8m0s

I'll never look at Ray allen the same way again.  So wait, Is that Lebron and Wade at the 8 minute mark?

Re: Ray Allen at the Miami Airport (pic)
« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2012, 10:13:50 PM »

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I guess if my Boss tried to relocate me and demote me and another organization was rolling out the red carpet with their top notch execs (wade, bron, riley) doing everything they can to sway me, I dont think I could choose my old job either. Espicially if I felt that money was not a problem and the issue was importance.

So is Ray going to have a tv special to announce his "decision"?

Maybe he will have the fireworks and WWE entrance too, while guarensheeding to knock down not 1 late game 3 pointer, not 2, not 3, not 4......