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Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2012, 12:21:42 AM »

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I feel like SF's of Green's caliber are a dime a dozen.  Beasley, Jeff Green, Marvin Williams, Ariza, Richard Jefferson, Stephen Jackson, Batum, Gerald Wallace, Marion, Prince, Maggette.  All players who are considered "good" players, but none will ever be all stars at their position and all make too much money considering how many equal-better players there are at the SF position.  There are at least 6 NBA players (Lebron, Melo, Granger, Iguodala, Pierce, Gay) inarguably better than those on that list.  And I didn't even mention Deng and Gallinari or fringe SF's like Joe Johnson and Josh Smith.

You can't pay 8-9 mil per year for a guy who is so relatively weak at his position.  Considering those players named and also the potential rise of Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, does anybody think that Jeff Green will ever be a top 8 SF in the league?  I'm curious if he'll ever even be top 10.

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I wholeheartedly agree. Ridiculous how his agent demands so much money, especially for a player off the court for a year. If Danny can't bring that asking price down by 3-4 million, we're getting robbed.

Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2012, 12:22:55 AM »

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For Green; $6M(%7,5 rise) 5 years ideal IMO

Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2012, 12:26:26 AM »

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$9 is ridiculous. Especially if Bass leaves and he has to be our starting 4. As a starting SF maybe he'd be worth it but not off the bench. And he hasn't played in over a year. It's crazy the kind of numbers getting thrown around. It's like the lockout never happened.
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Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2012, 12:26:48 AM »

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I feel like SF's of Green's caliber are a dime a dozen.  Beasley, Jeff Green, Marvin Williams, Ariza, Richard Jefferson, Stephen Jackson, Batum, Gerald Wallace, Marion, Prince, Maggette.  All players who are considered "good" players, but none will ever be all stars at their position and all make too much money considering how many equal-better players there are at the SF position.  There are at least 6 NBA players (Lebron, Melo, Granger, Iguodala, Pierce, Gay) inarguably better than those on that list.  And I didn't even mention Deng and Gallinari or fringe SF's like Joe Johnson and Josh Smith.

You can't pay 8-9 mil per year for a guy who is so relatively weak at his position.  Considering those players named and also the potential rise of Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, does anybody think that Jeff Green will ever be a top 8 SF in the league?  I'm curious if he'll ever even be top 10.

I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I wholeheartedly agree. Ridiculous how his agent demands so much money, especially for a player off the court for a year. If Danny can't bring that asking price down by 3-4 million, we're getting robbed.

From what I've read that $9 million asking price is only for one year.  My only concern is if that price tag would put is in jeopardy of going over the $74 million "apron" number once everybody is signed.  If not, then I'm fine to pay him that for one year.  
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Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2012, 12:27:51 AM »

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I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2012, 12:31:04 AM »

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I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

I'm sure he wouldn't find suitors outside of the Celtics that would be willing to give him the kind of money his agent is asking. I think the salary you described is the perfect price range for Green.

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2012, 12:31:33 AM »

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9 mil for Green is a bit steep, but not totally outrageous. What I thought when I saw Beasley's deal is this contract should set the market for players like OJ Mayo and Nick Young. Like Beasley, these guys are talented, but they come with blemished reputations.  All three players are about the same age and their career numbers are similar.

If 6 mil per year becomes the price for Mayo and Young, I kinda hope  they get signed instead of Ray

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2012, 12:33:30 AM »

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reports are Green is getting somewhere upward of 8-9mil

Link?

Last year I think Danny was overpaying for the year instead of committing to a multi-year deal.

I can't see Green getting or expecting to get that annually.
sorry ya'll don't remember where but I did come across that a couple places somewhere at either weei/csnne/boston globe etc
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 12:34:34 AM »

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9 mil for Green is a bit steep, but not totally outrageous. What I thought when I saw Beasley's deal is this contract should set the market for players like OJ Mayo and Nick Young. Like Beasley, these guys are talented, but they come with blemished reputations.  All three players are about the same age and their career numbers are similar.

If 6 mil per year becomes the price for Mayo and Young, I kinda hope  they get signed instead of Ray

We can afford to pay Ray that because we have his Bird Rights.  We won't have the cap space to offer that kind of salary to Mayo or Young.
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agreed that is high but would it be ok if it was 8-9 at only 1 year? probably what youd have to pay
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Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2012, 12:36:12 AM »

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9 mil for Green is a bit steep, but not totally outrageous. What I thought when I saw Beasley's deal is this contract should set the market for players like OJ Mayo and Nick Young. Like Beasley, these guys are talented, but they come with blemished reputations.  All three players are about the same age and their career numbers are similar.

If 6 mil per year becomes the price for Mayo and Young, I kinda hope  they get signed instead of Ray

We can afford to pay Ray that because we have his Bird Rights.  We won't have the cap space to offer that kind of salary to Mayo or Young.

Just wish we could've picked up Beasley for this steal of a contract. He seems like a better fit to this team than Green - more able to play the 4, a much more potent scorer, higher upside.

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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2012, 12:37:11 AM »

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reports are Green is getting somewhere upward of 8-9mil

Link?

Last year I think Danny was overpaying for the year instead of committing to a multi-year deal.

I can't see Green getting or expecting to get that annually.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8122798/2012-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics-deal-bring-back-jeff-green-dann
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Re: Beasley's Suns Contract Sets the Market Value for Green
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2012, 12:38:13 AM »

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agreed that is high but would it be ok if it was 8-9 at only 1 year? probably what youd have to pay

For one year, why the hell not. But any multi-year deal involving those type of numbers is a red flag.  :-\

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2012, 12:39:05 AM »

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I say 3 years 20 mil (or 4 yr 25 mil) MAXIMUM or let him walk.

I am not willing to offer him more than $6 million for a single season or $3-4 million on a multi-year deal that lasts 2-3 years.

Not coming off of heart surgery.

So if Falk says to the celtics, "Hey, I've got a really good offer out there for Jeff, but he'll play here for 3 years 18 mil if you say yes" would you let him walk?

Its not a contract that I'm crazy about giving, but considering the "reloading over rebuilding" approach that Danny is taking, along with our limited options to offer productive players any decent money, and the need to give an aging Pierce a solid backup, I would have to give him that contract. 

I think the celts have their hands somewhat tied here after giving Terry the entire MLE and having very limited means to get another productive backup SF.
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2012, 12:40:37 AM »

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9 mil for Green is a bit steep, but not totally outrageous. What I thought when I saw Beasley's deal is this contract should set the market for players like OJ Mayo and Nick Young. Like Beasley, these guys are talented, but they come with blemished reputations.  All three players are about the same age and their career numbers are similar.

If 6 mil per year becomes the price for Mayo and Young, I kinda hope  they get signed instead of Ray

We can afford to pay Ray that because we have his Bird Rights.  We won't have the cap space to offer that kind of salary to Mayo or Young.

I was hoping a S&T could be worked out with the clippers if ray picks them. Same thing with Memphis for Mayo.  Either Ray or Bass for OJ. I would prefer Young. He does not seem like a bad kid. Just stupid