Wojnarowski: Ray and Rondo don't have a great relationship

[rayallen1934]

Nobody said anything about appreciating.

But to put down Ray Allen behind those guys you just mentioned in terms or respectable players and loyal is pathetic.

Didnt Garnett and Rondo both walk off the court at the end of Game 7?

Didnt Paul Pierce give Ainge an ultimatum of TRADE me or get GOOD PLAYERS?

lets be honest here for ONCE.

I don't where you get this idea people aren't being honest?

Yep, KG and Rondo did walk off the court, and Ray went over and kissed LeBron and Wade's behinds.  I'd rather see what KG/Rondo did, than what Ray did.  Shows more loyalty to the team,  but I could see where it could be argued Ray was just taking the high-road.  Whatever, it wasn't a big deal to me either way.

Yes, 6 years ago Paul did exactly that.  Demand Ainge improve the team.  Why is that a bad thing thing?  Are you telling me you aren't glad it worked out the way it did?

The fact is, all 4 guys have had to deal with sacrifices, tracde rumors, etc. during the last couple of years.  Yet Ray is the only one who seems to be (possibly) letting it affect him to the point where he might leave.

I find it a tad bit distasteful.

are you kidding me? distasteful, the guy is about to be benched behing a 22 year old 6'1 shooting guard. Of course if he can start somewhere else he will go. Hes a hall aof famer.

[BballTim]

This is what needs to happen to Ray though, he gets great separation when he's doing curls at free-throw level. He gets in trouble when he extends to the 3-point line because it allows defenders to catch up to him.

  It seemed like a few years ago Ray was starting to run into problems because he was still creating seperation, but not quite enough. He'd be open, but running away from the basket. By the time he had turned around to shoot and gotten the ball the defender was able to close him down. The next season he was beating this by driving past the defender that was rushing out at him and taking a pullup jumper, but he seems to have abandoned that strategy.

[BballTim]

Nobody said anything about appreciating.

But to put down Ray Allen behind those guys you just mentioned in terms or respectable players and loyal is pathetic.

Didnt Garnett and Rondo both walk off the court at the end of Game 7?

Didnt Paul Pierce give Ainge an ultimatum of TRADE me or get GOOD PLAYERS?

lets be honest here for ONCE.

I don't where you get this idea people aren't being honest?

Yep, KG and Rondo did walk off the court, and Ray went over and kissed LeBron and Wade's behinds.  I'd rather see what KG/Rondo did, than what Ray did.  Shows more loyalty to the team,  but I could see where it could be argued Ray was just taking the high-road.  Whatever, it wasn't a big deal to me either way.

Yes, 6 years ago Paul did exactly that.  Demand Ainge improve the team.  Why is that a bad thing thing?  Are you telling me you aren't glad it worked out the way it did?

The fact is, all 4 guys have had to deal with sacrifices, tracde rumors, etc. during the last couple of years.  Yet Ray is the only one who seems to be (possibly) letting it affect him to the point where he might leave.

I find it a tad bit distasteful.

are you kidding me? distasteful, the guy is about to be benched behing a 22 year old 6'1 shooting guard. Of course if he can start somewhere else he will go. Hes a hall aof famer.

  He's a slightly above average shooting guard with good shooting and bad athleticism. The fact that he was a great player in his prime and won a title will help him get into the HOF, but they won't necessarily get him a starting gig next year.

[BudweiserCeltic]

This is what needs to happen to Ray though, he gets great separation when he's doing curls at free-throw level. He gets in trouble when he extends to the 3-point line because it allows defenders to catch up to him.

  It seemed like a few years ago Ray was starting to run into problems because he was still creating seperation, but not quite enough. He'd be open, but running away from the basket. By the time he had turned around to shoot and gotten the ball the defender was able to close him down. The next season he was beating this by driving past the defender that was rushing out at him and taking a pullup jumper, but he seems to have abandoned that strategy.

Other things to consider though is that Ray has a quick release, he doesn't need much separation. Which is why I keep talking about the timing of the passes. You don't have to wait for Ray to get to his spot for the pass to be on its way.

I always like to use this as an example because it shows the beauty of a well timed pass to Ray Allen, at the right speed at the right spot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWQ0CF6K0s


See when Rondo starting passing the ball to Ray? It wasn't when Ray got to his spot. He know where Ray was moving towards and made the pass, Ray got there as the ball got there for an easy 3-pointer, in rhythm (which I've always said is important for a shooter).

That's what I want to see more of. Not waiting for Ray to get to his spot, to then pass him the ball.

[KGs Knee]

Nobody said anything about appreciating.

But to put down Ray Allen behind those guys you just mentioned in terms or respectable players and loyal is pathetic.

Didnt Garnett and Rondo both walk off the court at the end of Game 7?

Didnt Paul Pierce give Ainge an ultimatum of TRADE me or get GOOD PLAYERS?

lets be honest here for ONCE.

I don't where you get this idea people aren't being honest?

Yep, KG and Rondo did walk off the court, and Ray went over and kissed LeBron and Wade's behinds.  I'd rather see what KG/Rondo did, than what Ray did.  Shows more loyalty to the team,  but I could see where it could be argued Ray was just taking the high-road.  Whatever, it wasn't a big deal to me either way.

Yes, 6 years ago Paul did exactly that.  Demand Ainge improve the team.  Why is that a bad thing thing?  Are you telling me you aren't glad it worked out the way it did?

The fact is, all 4 guys have had to deal with sacrifices, tracde rumors, etc. during the last couple of years.  Yet Ray is the only one who seems to be (possibly) letting it affect him to the point where he might leave.

I find it a tad bit distasteful.

are you kidding me? distasteful, the guy is about to be benched behing a 22 year old 6'1 shooting guard. Of course if he can start somewhere else he will go. Hes a hall aof famer.

I wouldn't term it "benched", not when you're still playing more minutes and at the end of games.  You obviously don't understand the purpose and importance of a 6th man.

And when you say "of course he will go elsewhere, he's a HOF'er", if that is in fact Ray's reasoning, than it's a selfish one.  He'd be putting his desires ahead of the team.

Like I said before, it's his right to choose that path if he wishes.  But I won't appreciate it.  Being a "Celtic" has always been about putting the team 1st.

This is about all I have left to say though.  You obviously seem to care more about Ray's "feelings" than what is best for the Celtics, as a team.  I'm of the exact opposite opinion.  The team is more important.

[rayallen1934]

Nobody said anything about appreciating.

But to put down Ray Allen behind those guys you just mentioned in terms or respectable players and loyal is pathetic.

Didnt Garnett and Rondo both walk off the court at the end of Game 7?

Didnt Paul Pierce give Ainge an ultimatum of TRADE me or get GOOD PLAYERS?

lets be honest here for ONCE.

I don't where you get this idea people aren't being honest?

Yep, KG and Rondo did walk off the court, and Ray went over and kissed LeBron and Wade's behinds.  I'd rather see what KG/Rondo did, than what Ray did.  Shows more loyalty to the team,  but I could see where it could be argued Ray was just taking the high-road.  Whatever, it wasn't a big deal to me either way.

Yes, 6 years ago Paul did exactly that.  Demand Ainge improve the team.  Why is that a bad thing thing?  Are you telling me you aren't glad it worked out the way it did?

The fact is, all 4 guys have had to deal with sacrifices, tracde rumors, etc. during the last couple of years.  Yet Ray is the only one who seems to be (possibly) letting it affect him to the point where he might leave.

I find it a tad bit distasteful.

are you kidding me? distasteful, the guy is about to be benched behing a 22 year old 6'1 shooting guard. Of course if he can start somewhere else he will go. Hes a hall aof famer.

I wouldn't term it "benched", not when you're still playing more minutes and at the end of games.  You obviously don't understand the purpose and importance of a 6th man.

And when you say "of course he will go elsewhere, he's a HOF'er", if that is in fact Ray's reasoning, than it's a selfish one.  He'd be putting his desires ahead of the team.

Like I said before, it's his right to choose that path if he wishes.  But I won't appreciate it.  Being a "Celtic" has always been about putting the team 1st.

This is about all I have left to say though.  You obviously seem to care more about Ray's "feelings" than what is best for the Celtics, as a team.  I'm of the exact opposite opinion.  The team is more important.

hes not a celtic right now. And you obviously care about your feelings more than Ray's.

[rayallen1934]

Nobody said anything about appreciating.

But to put down Ray Allen behind those guys you just mentioned in terms or respectable players and loyal is pathetic.

Didnt Garnett and Rondo both walk off the court at the end of Game 7?

Didnt Paul Pierce give Ainge an ultimatum of TRADE me or get GOOD PLAYERS?

lets be honest here for ONCE.

I don't where you get this idea people aren't being honest?

Yep, KG and Rondo did walk off the court, and Ray went over and kissed LeBron and Wade's behinds.  I'd rather see what KG/Rondo did, than what Ray did.  Shows more loyalty to the team,  but I could see where it could be argued Ray was just taking the high-road.  Whatever, it wasn't a big deal to me either way.

Yes, 6 years ago Paul did exactly that.  Demand Ainge improve the team.  Why is that a bad thing thing?  Are you telling me you aren't glad it worked out the way it did?

The fact is, all 4 guys have had to deal with sacrifices, tracde rumors, etc. during the last couple of years.  Yet Ray is the only one who seems to be (possibly) letting it affect him to the point where he might leave.

I find it a tad bit distasteful.

are you kidding me? distasteful, the guy is about to be benched behing a 22 year old 6'1 shooting guard. Of course if he can start somewhere else he will go. Hes a hall aof famer.

I wouldn't term it "benched", not when you're still playing more minutes and at the end of games.  You obviously don't understand the purpose and importance of a 6th man.

And when you say "of course he will go elsewhere, he's a HOF'er", if that is in fact Ray's reasoning, than it's a selfish one.  He'd be putting his desires ahead of the team.

Like I said before, it's his right to choose that path if he wishes.  But I won't appreciate it.  Being a "Celtic" has always been about putting the team 1st.

This is about all I have left to say though.  You obviously seem to care more about Ray's "feelings" than what is best for the Celtics, as a team.  I'm of the exact opposite opinion.  The team is more important.

im fine with the Celtics moving on, i never said Starting Bradley isnt a good decisoin. But Ray has done nothing wrong and wherever he goes should not destroy how people feel baout him. But obviously on this board, his loyalty should be to the Celtics, and if not he should go F himself and he is a traitor.

[jv2764]

If the Clips sign Crawford and bring back Billups there is no room for Allen there and plus its a move across the coast.  I think its down to the Heat and Celts.  I think Ray is milking this becuase of the near trade this past season to Memphis.

[snively]

Nobody said anything about appreciating.

But to put down Ray Allen behind those guys you just mentioned in terms or respectable players and loyal is pathetic.

Didnt Garnett and Rondo both walk off the court at the end of Game 7?

Didnt Paul Pierce give Ainge an ultimatum of TRADE me or get GOOD PLAYERS?

lets be honest here for ONCE.

I don't where you get this idea people aren't being honest?

Yep, KG and Rondo did walk off the court, and Ray went over and kissed LeBron and Wade's behinds.  I'd rather see what KG/Rondo did, than what Ray did.  Shows more loyalty to the team,  but I could see where it could be argued Ray was just taking the high-road.  Whatever, it wasn't a big deal to me either way.

Yes, 6 years ago Paul did exactly that.  Demand Ainge improve the team.  Why is that a bad thing thing?  Are you telling me you aren't glad it worked out the way it did?

The fact is, all 4 guys have had to deal with sacrifices, tracde rumors, etc. during the last couple of years.  Yet Ray is the only one who seems to be (possibly) letting it affect him to the point where he might leave.

I find it a tad bit distasteful.

are you kidding me? distasteful, the guy is about to be benched behing a 22 year old 6'1 shooting guard. Of course if he can start somewhere else he will go. Hes a hall aof famer.

Pet peeve - needlessly (even if only slightly) distorting easily obtainable facts.

Bradley is 6'3.25" in shoes. 

[hpantazo]

Nobody said anything about appreciating.

But to put down Ray Allen behind those guys you just mentioned in terms or respectable players and loyal is pathetic.

Didnt Garnett and Rondo both walk off the court at the end of Game 7?

Didnt Paul Pierce give Ainge an ultimatum of TRADE me or get GOOD PLAYERS?

lets be honest here for ONCE.

I don't where you get this idea people aren't being honest?

Yep, KG and Rondo did walk off the court, and Ray went over and kissed LeBron and Wade's behinds.  I'd rather see what KG/Rondo did, than what Ray did.  Shows more loyalty to the team,  but I could see where it could be argued Ray was just taking the high-road.  Whatever, it wasn't a big deal to me either way.

Yes, 6 years ago Paul did exactly that.  Demand Ainge improve the team.  Why is that a bad thing thing?  Are you telling me you aren't glad it worked out the way it did?

The fact is, all 4 guys have had to deal with sacrifices, tracde rumors, etc. during the last couple of years.  Yet Ray is the only one who seems to be (possibly) letting it affect him to the point where he might leave.

I find it a tad bit distasteful.

are you kidding me? distasteful, the guy is about to be benched behing a 22 year old 6'1 shooting guard. Of course if he can start somewhere else he will go. Hes a hall aof famer.

The old celtic teams had plenty of hall of famers who were happy to give up their roles for younger guys and help mentor them while contributing off the bench. That is what class and realization that you are getting old is all about. It makes a players legacy so much better and long lasting, just ask Allen Iverson how refusing to come off the bench in his old age worked out for him.

[jv2764]

Different eras man.  You can't make that comparison.  Heck back in the day NBA players had a second job.

[Celtics Fan]

All of a sudden Ray Allen has become the angry bad guy

I'm not saying Ray is the bad guy, but I do question his motivations a bit.

Let's look at a few things for a moment.

Ray seems to be upset over his diminished role in the offense, and move to the bench.  Its a sacrifice, and one that seems to be in the best interest of the team. 

Have KG, Paul and even Rondo not had to sacrifice?  KG was forced to play a position he loathes this past season, yet made no stink of it.  Paul has had to relinquish his overall control of the offense to Rondo, and while at times in the past you could tell he wasn't thrilled about it, he has seemingly become %100 behind it.  Rondo has had to make sacrifices here too.  It's obvious he would rather play a much more uptempo style of game, yet does what he has to (slow down the pace as needed) to keep the Big 3 involved.

Ray has made no bones about not liking constantly being in trade rumors.  Ok, well so have pretty much ever other important member of the team.  KG, Paul and Rondo have all at one time or another "almost been traded".  I can garauntee this didn't make any of them very happy either, but Ray seems to be the one who has taken it to heart more than the others.

I guess my point is, pretty much any of the Big 4 could claim to have a reason to be upset over something to do with either their role on the team, trade rumors, or ego clashes.  Yet Ray seems to be the one who has let it become an issue to the point where he would consider leaving the team over it.

If that is how Ray feels, fine, he's entitled to feel how he pleases.  Just don't expect too many fans to appreciate it, especially when the other members of the team have done plenty to sacrifice themselves.

EVERYTHING that you said here is WRONG. EVERYTHING.

Number 1, nobody you mentioned is even close to being professional as Ray Allen. NOT EVEN CLOSE, even if you combine them together.

Garnett has made it known, he wants to play power forward. Where are you?

Pierce has been known to be the consumate baby, the guy wont even stay on the bench without sulking, and its cost us games where he would come back in and totally destroy a good thing. We have seen it happen this year where the second unit would play well and Pierce would come in because you see him visibly upset on the bench.

Ray Allen has been traded from Milwaukee practically as the franchise player. He got a raw deal, two gunners in Sam Cassel and Robinson were not traded, and Micheal Redd did not pan out. Total screw job on Ray being traded.

Ray Allen was traded from Seattle practically for picks. He was the guy on the team and had no help , no centers nothing. The team was one shot away from the Western Finals but lost to San Antonio. An Injured Ray Allen almost did it there.

Pierce has cried and put Danny Ainge in a TRADE ME or get players or else. Has Ray ever done that.


RAY ALLEN has done nothing to upset anybody, his mouth has been shut, but you and other Celtic fans have become the villians by assuming. Its pathetic. More power to you though.

Somebody butt is hurt. Lol. Ray is coming back to Boston. I thought Rondz and Ray were close. Did Rondo spend Christmas with Ray and his family. You guys blow thing out of wack. I don't think them too have a problem.

[blink]

I find it really funny that a lot of people on this board feel they know or can get inside RA or RR's head.  Give it all a break.  I know that we are curious about what is going on between them, but if you are trying to place blame in the RA/RR relationship, it is all just a bunch of speculation. 

We probably won't know the real story at least until things resolve later in free agency.  Why does everyone seem to think they know what is going on?  It is funny actually.

All of a sudden Ray Allen has become the angry bad guy

I'm not saying Ray is the bad guy, but I do question his motivations a bit.

Let's look at a few things for a moment.

Ray seems to be upset over his diminished role in the offense, and move to the bench.  Its a sacrifice, and one that seems to be in the best interest of the team. 

Have KG, Paul and even Rondo not had to sacrifice?  KG was forced to play a position he loathes this past season, yet made no stink of it.  Paul has had to relinquish his overall control of the offense to Rondo, and while at times in the past you could tell he wasn't thrilled about it, he has seemingly become %100 behind it.  Rondo has had to make sacrifices here too.  It's obvious he would rather play a much more uptempo style of game, yet does what he has to (slow down the pace as needed) to keep the Big 3 involved.

Ray has made no bones about not liking constantly being in trade rumors.  Ok, well so have pretty much ever other important member of the team.  KG, Paul and Rondo have all at one time or another "almost been traded".  I can garauntee this didn't make any of them very happy either, but Ray seems to be the one who has taken it to heart more than the others.

I guess my point is, pretty much any of the Big 4 could claim to have a reason to be upset over something to do with either their role on the team, trade rumors, or ego clashes.  Yet Ray seems to be the one who has let it become an issue to the point where he would consider leaving the team over it.

If that is how Ray feels, fine, he's entitled to feel how he pleases.  Just don't expect too many fans to appreciate it, especially when the other members of the team have done plenty to sacrifice themselves.

EVERYTHING that you said here is WRONG. EVERYTHING.

Number 1, nobody you mentioned is even close to being professional as Ray Allen. NOT EVEN CLOSE, even if you combine them together.

Garnett has made it known, he wants to play power forward. Where are you?

Pierce has been known to be the consumate baby, the guy wont even stay on the bench without sulking, and its cost us games where he would come back in and totally destroy a good thing. We have seen it happen this year where the second unit would play well and Pierce would come in because you see him visibly upset on the bench.

Ray Allen has been traded from Milwaukee practically as the franchise player. He got a raw deal, two gunners in Sam Cassel and Robinson were not traded, and Micheal Redd did not pan out. Total screw job on Ray being traded.

Ray Allen was traded from Seattle practically for picks. He was the guy on the team and had no help , no centers nothing. The team was one shot away from the Western Finals but lost to San Antonio. An Injured Ray Allen almost did it there.

Pierce has cried and put Danny Ainge in a TRADE ME or get players or else. Has Ray ever done that.


RAY ALLEN has done nothing to upset anybody, his mouth has been shut, but you and other Celtic fans have become the villians by assuming. Its pathetic. More power to you though.

[KGs Knee]

To the above:

Nothing I have said in this blog I claim to know with absolute certainty in regards to any players mindset.

What is going on is a discussion about our perceptions and what we "view things as".  That is the part of what goes on in a blog.

I find it funny you find it funny.  Get over yourself.

[blink]

I never claimed that you said anything with absolute certainty.  But a lot of this is just absolute speculation.  I am entitled to that opinion just as much as you are to yours.

There is really nothing for me to get over.  I just found it funny.  I suggest you relax.
cheers

To the above:

Nothing I have said in this blog I claim to know with absolute certainty in regards to any players mindset.

What is going on is a discussion about our perceptions and what we "view things as".  That is the part of what goes on in a blog.

I find it funny you find it funny.  Get over yourself.