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Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #135 on: July 05, 2012, 10:59:38 AM »

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Yeah Nash/Kobe will have some big adjusting to do to make it work.

But just as a spot up shooter Nash is an impressive upgrade. I do think Bynum isn't a good fit for what Kobe/Nash/Gasol can do, which is why I think they'll explore the Howard swap yet again.

Hopefully Howard continues to be a putz and refuses to go there, I'd rather see him in Houston or Atlanta.

Interesting thought Faf.

I'm interested to hear your POV on why Bynum is a poor fit with Nash on board.

Personally, I think a combo of Gasol (P&R) and Howard (lobs and running the floor) could be absolutely deadly when paired with Nash.

Then you throw in Kobe scoring from the wing and offensively, they become nearly unstoppable.

I think Bynum might be able to do the same thing as Howard but he would demand alot of post touches which could really slow that offense down.

With either big, that team is stacked.

Thank goodness Mike Brown is still coaching them!

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #136 on: July 05, 2012, 11:06:21 AM »

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Bynum will get some lobs from Nash, but he isn't a good pick and roll big. Nash lives and breaths pick and roll, transition, and semi-transition.

He's best in high low action with Gasol and post ups in deep position. This reduces Nash to floor spacing or throwing an entry pass into one of the bigs. Plus he easily gets frustrated with lack of touches and gives half efforts to get back and defend. Plus Nash/Kobe/Artest/Gasol/Bynum have not a single player who's "quick" for his position anymore. Having a more more mobile C would help them out a lot.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #137 on: July 05, 2012, 11:10:08 AM »

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having nash means the lakers lose in 6 this year to the thunder.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #138 on: July 05, 2012, 11:11:20 AM »

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having nash means the lakers lose in 6 this year to the thunder.
Maybe better than that if Kobe lets Nash run his P&R offense freely.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #139 on: July 05, 2012, 11:12:21 AM »

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having nash means the lakers lose in 6 this year to the thunder.
Maybe better than that if Kobe lets Nash run his P&R offense freely.

I'm sure he'll give him some slack but you know it won't be "freely".

He's going to get his shots.
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Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #140 on: July 05, 2012, 11:12:58 AM »

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having nash means the lakers lose in 6 this year to the thunder.
Maybe better than that if Kobe lets Nash run his P&R offense freely.

I'm sure he'll give him some slack but you know it won't be "freely".

He's going to get his shots.
Probably true, but if Kobe wants to maximize his chances he absolutely can't chuck like he did this past year.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #141 on: July 05, 2012, 11:13:06 AM »

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I  think Nash will be more of a 12-14 point 7-8 assist guy in LA.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #142 on: July 05, 2012, 11:13:36 AM »

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having nash means the lakers lose in 6 this year to the thunder.
Maybe better than that if Kobe lets Nash run his P&R offense freely.


lakers cannot beat the thunder with that team...defensively they can't stop anyone...bynum or gasol is going to be traded for something (athletic wing)

Kobe is likes hero ball..esp. when mike brown in the coach.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #143 on: July 05, 2012, 11:14:43 AM »

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Bynum will get some lobs from Nash, but he isn't a good pick and roll big. Nash lives and breaths pick and roll, transition, and semi-transition.

He's best in high low action with Gasol and post ups in deep position. This reduces Nash to floor spacing or throwing an entry pass into one of the bigs. Plus he easily gets frustrated with lack of touches and gives half efforts to get back and defend. Plus Nash/Kobe/Artest/Gasol/Bynum have not a single player who's "quick" for his position anymore. Having a more more mobile C would help them out a lot.

Got it...I agree.

Bynum would flourish with his "own" team in Orl.

Not sure they would be a winner, but he would put up monster numbers.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #144 on: July 05, 2012, 11:16:07 AM »

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I'm a little dubious about this move for the Lakers.  You're taking a very old point guard who can barely play half the game any more, was never good defensively to begin with and has been used to having the entire team orbit around him, and moving him to a completely different environment where he'll be lucky to get half the touches he's gotten his whole career.

I mean, how many times would you describe the Phoenix offense as Nash dribbles around for 20 seconds and makes a play?  Between Bynum post-ups and Kobe's 20+ shots a game, Nash is going to be playing a completely different role than he's used to.

Nash could supercharge Laker scoring but this also look like the sort of situation where a veteran player just falls off a cliff.

And giving up 2 firsts and two seconds for a 38 year old player?  Here is what Ainge has gotten from non-lottery draft picks.  Perk, Rondo, Tony Allen, Al Jefferson, Big Baby, Leon Powe, Ryan Gomes, Delonte West, Semih Erden, Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger and Fab Melo.  That is a playoff caliber roster without one single lottery pick on it.

Mike

Nash played 32 minutes a game last year.  He can barely play half the game anymore?  Have you ever seen a Suns game?

And those are non-lottery picks, sure, but Bradley was 19th, Rondo was 21st, Jefferson was 15th and those are the three best players on that list.  Beyond that you just have role players or worse.  The Lakers won't be picking between 15 and 21.  And if they need 2nd Round picks so desparately, they can buy them.  They are the Lakers.

Both of your points are quite a stretch.


1.  Rondo averaged 36.9 minutes a games last year.  Know how many times Nash played more than 36.9 minutes a game last year?  4.  Know how many minutes Rondo averaged these past playoffs?  Over 42.  How many minutes is Nash going to average in next year's playoffs.

2.  What is the Lakers biggest weakness?  Their role players suck.  What is the easiest and cheapest way to get decent role players?  The draft.  Where will the Lakers be if ANY of their top four players suffers a serious injury next season?  Fighting to make the playoffs and getting a draft pick in the low 20s, except they won't have it.  And not having any draft picks is a very big deal for LA because that may make the difference between getting Howard or not.  Which do you think Orlando is more likely to take in trade, Andrew Bynum alone or Lopez/Humphries/Brooks and two #1s?

Again, maybe this will make the Lakers' offense so powerful that nothing else will matter, but it's not like the potential problems aren't staring us all in the face.

Mike

I'd much rather have Bynum than Lopez, Humphries, Brooks, and two #1's.  The second best center in basketball, or 5 players who are likely to combine for 0 all-star appearances for their career?  I'll take the second best center.  

You are overrating the importance of depth and a bench in the playoffs.  Know how many players scored for the Celtics in Game 7? Six players.  Know how many players scored for the HEAT in Game 7? Six players.

No one is saying Nash is going to play more minutes than Rondo.  That is absurd.  There is a big difference between barely playing half the game and playing more than Rondo.  Nash will play 32 minutes per game in the regular season (much more than half, btw) and more in the regular season.  Whether he plays less than Rondo is meaningless. Rondo wasn't available to the Lakers this year.  By your standards, KG and Pierce barely play half the game.

Once again, all of your points are a severe stretch.
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Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #145 on: July 05, 2012, 11:16:41 AM »

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having nash means the lakers lose in 6 this year to the thunder.
Maybe better than that if Kobe lets Nash run his P&R offense freely.

I'm sure he'll give him some slack but you know it won't be "freely".

He's going to get his shots.
Probably true, but if Kobe wants to maximize his chances he absolutely can't chuck like he did this past year.

I totally agree but I'd be surprised to see it.

Nash would help them utilize perhaps the team's actual greatest strength, it's two 7 foot inside players, but Kobe thinks he's the teams' greatest strength.

It could and probably will be a struggle and I'm not sure Mike Brown can manage it.
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Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #146 on: July 05, 2012, 11:17:11 AM »

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having nash means the lakers lose in 6 this year to the thunder.
Maybe better than that if Kobe lets Nash run his P&R offense freely.


lakers cannot beat the thunder with that team...defensively they can't stop anyone...bynum or gasol is going to be traded for something (athletic wing)

Kobe is likes hero ball..esp. when mike brown in the coach.

As much as it would pain me to see it, Peaches would be a really good fit on that Laker team.

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Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #147 on: July 05, 2012, 11:17:35 AM »

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bummer.  I really like Steve Nash.  Ouch.  That offense, on paper... is ridiculous.  One of the best scorers in the league... one of the best point guards in this league (still)... two of the top 5 big men in the game.  Ouch.

I would have totally preferred seeing him go back to Dallas, go to Toronto, go to the Knicks... whatever. 

His addition to the Lakers could make them a serious threat to win a title (and tie our record).  Not happy about it.  I felt with better coaching they could have been a threat to win it this year even without Nash.  Having two 7 foot stars is a huge advantage.  Mike Brown is a hack.

  If LA had two of the top 5 big men in the league they wouldn't have been dispatched early on in the playoffs the last two years. It will be interesting to see how he meshes with Kobe, and whether Kobe will willingly spend much of the gme without the ball in his hands and how effective he'll be when that happens.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #148 on: July 05, 2012, 11:20:24 AM »

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bummer.  I really like Steve Nash.  Ouch.  That offense, on paper... is ridiculous.  One of the best scorers in the league... one of the best point guards in this league (still)... two of the top 5 big men in the game.  Ouch.

I would have totally preferred seeing him go back to Dallas, go to Toronto, go to the Knicks... whatever.  

His addition to the Lakers could make them a serious threat to win a title (and tie our record).  Not happy about it.  I felt with better coaching they could have been a threat to win it this year even without Nash.  Having two 7 foot stars is a huge advantage.  Mike Brown is a hack.

  If LA had two of the top 5 big men in the league they wouldn't have been dispatched early on in the playoffs the last two years.
Their problem is that they do have two of the top 5 centers in the league. (Howard, Bynum, Gasol, KG are all top 5 Cs not sure who I'd put 5th maybe TD)

When you move Gasol to a stretch 4 who doesn't get to playin the post (Kobe/Bynum both play in the post a ton) his value drops dramatically.

Re: Steve Nash to Lakers (sources reporting)
« Reply #149 on: July 05, 2012, 11:22:38 AM »

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bummer.  I really like Steve Nash.  Ouch.  That offense, on paper... is ridiculous.  One of the best scorers in the league... one of the best point guards in this league (still)... two of the top 5 big men in the game.  Ouch.

I would have totally preferred seeing him go back to Dallas, go to Toronto, go to the Knicks... whatever. 

His addition to the Lakers could make them a serious threat to win a title (and tie our record).  Not happy about it.  I felt with better coaching they could have been a threat to win it this year even without Nash.  Having two 7 foot stars is a huge advantage.  Mike Brown is a hack.

  If LA had two of the top 5 big men in the league they wouldn't have been dispatched early on in the playoffs the last two years. It will be interesting to see how he meshes with Kobe, and whether Kobe will willingly spend much of the gme without the ball in his hands and how effective he'll be when that happens.


Just curious, who do you think the top 5 big men in the NBA are?