Marc Spears: C's want to sign both Jason Terry and Ray Allen,

[dreamgreen]

Why is our All Defensive Team 21 year old starting shooting guard being dragged through the mud in this thread?

how is he being dragged through the mud? this is all dependent on signing both Ray and Terry. If they sign both there will be a log jam at the sg,backup pg position.

If you can trade AB and Bass to upgrade the big man position and get a better rebounder and scorer that's dragging Bradley though the mud?

Watch some Ohio State games on Espn3. I know Sullinger wasn't on our radar because he was projected as a mid-lottery pick, but we scored a major coup with a kid who should be every bit the player that Milsap is, for much cheaper. And he'll be a much better value than Josh Smith.

Avery Bradley did everything he possibly could do to impress you last year, including playing extended minutes with two gimpy arms.
He's better than Ray Allen right now, and only getting better. He's better than Terry right now, and only getting better, and he's very cheap at that salary.

Rondo/Bradley as a defensive duo was a total revelation of historic proportions, and will only improve.

Don't act all shocked when he goes off for 30+ points just about whenever the team needs him to do so.

And don't act all shocked when Sullinger steps right in from day one and becomes comparable to Milsap by the end of the regular season.

And when Melo shows he is every bit Perk's equal or superior by the end of the regular season.

Very Optimistic. I hope your right but seems a stretch to me.

[goCeltics]

think doc is going to play a super small lineup

[colincb]

Why is our All Defensive Team 21 year old starting shooting guard being dragged through the mud in this thread?

how is he being dragged through the mud? this is all dependent on signing both Ray and Terry. If they sign both there will be a log jam at the sg,backup pg position.

If you can trade AB and Bass to upgrade the big man position and get a better rebounder and scorer that's dragging Bradley though the mud?

Watch some Ohio State games on Espn3. I know Sullinger wasn't on our radar because he was projected as a mid-lottery pick, but we scored a major coup with a kid who should be every bit the player that Milsap is, for much cheaper. And he'll be a much better value than Josh Smith.

Avery Bradley did everything he possibly could do to impress you last year, including playing extended minutes with two gimpy arms.
He's better than Ray Allen right now, and only getting better. He's better than Terry right now, and only getting better, and he's very cheap at that salary.

Rondo/Bradley as a defensive duo was a total revelation of historic proportions, and will only improve.

Don't act all shocked when he goes off for 30+ points just about whenever the team needs him to do so.

And don't act all shocked when Sullinger steps right in from day one and becomes comparable to Milsap by the end of the regular season.

And when Melo shows he is every bit Perk's equal or superior by the end of the regular season.

Very Optimistic. I hope your right but seems a stretch to me.

Very Kind.

[wahz]

Why is our All Defensive Team 21 year old starting shooting guard being dragged through the mud in this thread?

how is he being dragged through the mud? this is all dependent on signing both Ray and Terry. If they sign both there will be a log jam at the sg,backup pg position.

If you can trade AB and Bass to upgrade the big man position and get a better rebounder and scorer that's dragging Bradley though the mud?

Watch some Ohio State games on Espn3. I know Sullinger wasn't on our radar because he was projected as a mid-lottery pick, but we scored a major coup with a kid who should be every bit the player that Milsap is, for much cheaper. And he'll be a much better value than Josh Smith.

Avery Bradley did everything he possibly could do to impress you last year, including playing extended minutes with two gimpy arms.
He's better than Ray Allen right now, and only getting better. He's better than Terry right now, and only getting better, and he's very cheap at that salary.

Rondo/Bradley as a defensive duo was a total revelation of historic proportions, and will only improve.

Don't act all shocked when he goes off for 30+ points just about whenever the team needs him to do so.

And don't act all shocked when Sullinger steps right in from day one and becomes comparable to Milsap by the end of the regular season.

And when Melo shows he is every bit Perk's equal or superior by the end of the regular season.

You and I must share the same optimistic gene. Loved your post!

[cman88]

one thing I love about the possibility of having Jason Terry is that he can create his own shot..you now would have another "iso" player like Pierce for when you need some scoring late

[Birdman]

No way I would part with Bradley for old players over 35. Got to have young, fresh legs come playoff time. My only concern is his shoulder.

[arambone]

Why is our All Defensive Team 21 year old starting shooting guard being dragged through the mud in this thread?

how is he being dragged through the mud? this is all dependent on signing both Ray and Terry. If they sign both there will be a log jam at the sg,backup pg position.

If you can trade AB and Bass to upgrade the big man position and get a better rebounder and scorer that's dragging Bradley though the mud?

Watch some Ohio State games on Espn3. I know Sullinger wasn't on our radar because he was projected as a mid-lottery pick, but we scored a major coup with a kid who should be every bit the player that Milsap is, for much cheaper. And he'll be a much better value than Josh Smith.

Avery Bradley did everything he possibly could do to impress you last year, including playing extended minutes with two gimpy arms.
He's better than Ray Allen right now, and only getting better. He's better than Terry right now, and only getting better, and he's very cheap at that salary.

Rondo/Bradley as a defensive duo was a total revelation of historic proportions, and will only improve.

Don't act all shocked when he goes off for 30+ points just about whenever the team needs him to do so.

And don't act all shocked when Sullinger steps right in from day one and becomes comparable to Milsap by the end of the regular season.

And when Melo shows he is every bit Perk's equal or superior by the end of the regular season.

Very Optimistic. I hope your right but seems a stretch to me.

Most of the opinions we get exposed to in the local press and even this site, is from people who haven't done much, if anything more than read a few scouting reports and youtube highlights.

That's how you get people believing, "Melo can play some defense but has zero offensive game and is a bad rebounder."

That over-simplistic analysis comes from looking at his season stats from last year, and little else.

The details of those stats are never investigated or questioned. The games are never watched on espn3 or other sites.

And it gets repeated, and it gets front page or celtics stuff live exposure.

And it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for these rushed conclusions and opinions to be changed without first seeing it on the court.

And by the time Bradley/Sullinger/Melo start proving it on the court, everybody will assume it was because of improvement that came AFTER their knee jerk conclusions.

That's if they even remember not appreciating the player in the first place.

[cltc5]

It's becoming increasingly annoying To see very good players downplayed in this site as if someone has a better judgmnt of talent then those that play or are involved in the game.  In the right situation good players can be game changers.

[ausbacker]

It's unfathomable. The Celtics are a defense first team. Bradley is an above average defender. Trading him will be stupidity incarnate.

[ThaPreacher]

I think you are reading to much from Doc's words.

Rivers said he can envision the team signing both

It's the right thing to say. That way, you keep all of the options open. It's not like he is going to say: 'We are talking to Terry because we think Ray will leave, but if Ray stays we don't need Terry'.

Btw, those trades ideas involving Bradley are ridiculous. You don't trade your 21y old starting SG for a chance to strengthen your bench.

Millsap and Josh Smith is strengthening your bench?

ok....

Josh Smith is like candy.  You want to eat it, right up until the dentist drills your teeth due to cavities.

The Celtics have made big mistakes in the past, trading youth for experience.
Paul Westphaul for Charlie Scott,    Joe Johnson,,,,,you know the kid they threw in on  the Rodney Rodgers/Tony Delk trade.

Both Westphaul and Johnson, the went on to be All-Stars.  
Scott lasted for a couple seasons. Contributed to the 76 Championship. But he wasn't an upgrade over Westphaul.   Losing Joe Johnson as a throw in to the Rodgers/ Delk combination: do I need to say more?


Avery Bradley is a rare player.  He plays relentless end line to endline defense.  Reminds one of Gary Payton, minus the point guard skills.  
Unless Josh Smith is willing to sign an extension, or Milsap is committed to being in Boston long term.  I wouldn't do it.

And I hope Danny won't either.

[arambone]

Fans of other teams are already talking about Garnett/Melo being perhaps the best defensive front-court at some point next year.

Combined with the best defensive back-court, and the draft's best post-scorer in the mix, should be cause for excitement.

Celtics successfully addressed scoring, rebounding, and post defense in the draft. Let's blow it up.

[rondohondo]

It's unfathomable. The Celtics are a defense first team. Bradley is an above average defender. Trading him will be stupidity incarnate.

not if you can get Josh Smith who is also a very good defender and rebounder. Danny offered KG for Smith at last years trade deadline , I highly doubt he would turn down Josh Smith because AB has to be in the package.

If the c's want to add Smith(and they do), they are going to have to trade for him because we have no cap space for the next 2 seasons and Smith is a free agent next year meaning he will be gone if we don't trade for him
 
Atl has no leverage, they can only trade him to a team he wants to resign with and he has already said Boston is on his preferred  destination list

I posted this trade in another thread ,but this package seems pretty fair to me .

Bos sends: Bradley,Bass,Melo and future 1st if needed
Smith sends: Smith

Bos gets their man

Atl gets a SG who plays very good defense and has some upside, bass a backup PF who is a nice 3rd big man , and melo to develop at center next to Horford and move Horford back to his natural PF spot. Also a 1st rd pick

I don't see how the Hawks are going to do much better than that when they have no leverage .

[cltc5]

Why is our All Defensive Team 21 year old starting shooting guard being dragged through the mud in this thread?

how is he being dragged through the mud? this is all dependent on signing both Ray and Terry. If they sign both there will be a log jam at the sg,backup pg position.

If you can trade AB and Bass to upgrade the big man position and get a better rebounder and scorer that's dragging Bradley though the mud?

Watch some Ohio State games on Espn3. I know Sullinger wasn't on our radar because he was projected as a mid-lottery pick, but we scored a major coup with a kid who should be every bit the player that Milsap is, for much cheaper. And he'll be a much better value than Josh Smith.

Avery Bradley did everything he possibly could do to impress you last year, including playing extended minutes with two gimpy arms.
He's better than Ray Allen right now, and only getting better. He's better than Terry right now, and only getting better, and he's very cheap at that salary.

Rondo/Bradley as a defensive duo was a total revelation of historic proportions, and will only improve.

Don't act all shocked when he goes off for 30+ points just about whenever the team needs him to do so.

And don't act all shocked when Sullinger steps right in from day one and becomes comparable to Milsap by the end of the regular season.

And when Melo shows he is every bit Perk's equal or superior by the end of the regular season.

Very Optimistic. I hope your right but seems a stretch to me.

Most of the opinions we get exposed to in the local press and even this site, is from people who haven't done much, if anything more than read a few scouting reports and youtube highlights.

That's how you get people believing, "Melo can play some defense but has zero offensive game and is a bad rebounder."

That over-simplistic analysis comes from looking at his season stats from last year, and little else.

The details of those stats are never investigated or questioned. The games are never watched on espn3 or other sites.

And it gets repeated, and it gets front page or celtics stuff live exposure.

And it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for these rushed conclusions and opinions to be changed without first seeing it on the court.

And by the time Bradley/Sullinger/Melo start proving it on the court, everybody will assume it was because of improvement that came AFTER their knee jerk conclusions.

That's if they even remember not appreciating the player in the first place.

Best analysis of the majority of the posts on this site ever!!!  People either overvalue or undervalue a player on here.  Rarely a well thought out assessment.

[chambers]

I think you are reading to much from Doc's words.

Rivers said he can envision the team signing both

It's the right thing to say. That way, you keep all of the options open. It's not like he is going to say: 'We are talking to Terry because we think Ray will leave, but if Ray stays we don't need Terry'.

Btw, those trades ideas involving Bradley are ridiculous. You don't trade your 21y old starting SG for a chance to strengthen your bench.

Millsap and Josh Smith is strengthening your bench?

ok....

Millsap is not an upgrade from Bass, and that package can't bring you Smith back. Terry is a ball dominant player who is best as a scorer of the bench, like in Dallas.

So basically, you are trading Bradley for your sixth man - Terry. Ok  

Millsap is a monstrous upgrade over Bass. Better hands, better finisher, can run the floor and REBOUND!
Problem with Millsap is his paycheck.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Avery go with Bass for a celebrity big.

[esel1000]

I agree with some of the above posts (maybe cause ive seen some Ohio State games and have known about Sullinger since he was a freshman) but he has the tools to be the next Millsap... huge draft steal for us. I'd rather keep AB with Sullinger than put him in a package now for Millsap