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Re: KG is back
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2012, 10:56:17 AM »

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This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work.  

Wait, what? That doesn't make sense to me... that recipe brought enough talented players to our team throughout the decade, even if they didn't exactly play up to their hype.
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Re: KG is back
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2012, 10:59:06 AM »

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Re: KG is back
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2012, 10:59:50 AM »

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I'm waiting for the details, but 34 million is really too much for KG's age and our chances to rebuild.

His contract also surpasses Pierce and he expires with Rondo.

Hopefully there's some type of structure that doesn't fully guarantee the final year or final 2 years.

We're talking money here, valuable FA's next year.

Dwight Howard isn't signing here. He never was. I doubt Ainge has planned his eventual rebuild around major FA coming to Boston, since that is something that just doesn't happen.
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Re: KG is back
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2012, 11:00:16 AM »

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Glad KG is back.  


The deal is longer then I wanted, but that's fine for a player like KG.  


Now, time to work on Ray.

Re: KG is back
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2012, 11:00:20 AM »

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While we don't know the structure of KG's deal, I'm going to assume it is not frontloaded.  It is much better for the Celtics this year if the deal is backloaded, with the traditional 7.5% raise per year.  Operating under that assumption, KG's deal is approximately $10.25 million this year.  Assuming the data at Hoopshype is correct (and I'm not sure it is, but it's the best source I could find quickly), the Celtics have about $45.3 million committed to next season's salaries, and if they renounced all their remaining free agents, they would have between $15-$16 million to spend under the cap, assuming that the projected cap of $60-$61 million reported in February turns out to be accurate.  They will also be able to offer a player a deal at the taxpayer mid-level of $3 mil/year for three years.

Re: KG is back
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2012, 11:00:58 AM »

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This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work.  

Wait, what? That doesn't make sense to me... that recipe brought enough talented players to our team throughout the decade, even if they didn't exactly play up to their hype.

What players are you referring to?

Re: KG is back
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2012, 11:01:58 AM »

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1st things 1st.

YES!!  YES!!! YES!!!


Now, I would like to know the contract structure.  I'm not thrilled about KG's contract going beyond Pierce's, but if is a player option or partially garaunteed it isn't so bad.  I also wonder what the starting value is.

As a side note, I'm pretty sure this solifiies KG as the highest paid played player (aggregate) in the history of the league.

Re: KG is back
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2012, 11:02:32 AM »

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The deal is fine. This basically ensures that Pierce will not be traded or amnestied. If it's a 2 year deal, with a player option for a 3rd, it will expire with Pierce's, if he doesn't opt in. If it's a 3 year deal, and he does play all 3, it will be expire with Rondo's.

This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely. 

why does it mean Paul wont be traded?

and why does this mean that we have more chance of resigning Green and Ray?  is it just because we are not going into rebuilding mode?  

Are you saying we will have the full MLE this year?  that would be great.

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Re: KG is back
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2012, 11:06:04 AM »

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How is that steep? Was I watching a different guy all season?

Obviously there's potential for quick and steep decline but until that happens, this is a sweetheart deal.

It isn't.  And you weren't.

As always, the health of Pierce and Garnett will be all about how Rivers manages their minutes. 

Re: KG is back
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2012, 11:08:59 AM »

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This was my exact reaction just a few seconds ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WGHeQw49ws

Re: KG is back
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2012, 11:10:09 AM »

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The deal is fine. This basically ensures that Pierce will not be traded or amnestied. If it's a 2 year deal, with a player option for a 3rd, it will expire with Pierce's, if he doesn't opt in. If it's a 3 year deal, and he does play all 3, it will be expire with Rondo's.

This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely. 

why does it mean Paul wont be traded?

and why does this mean that we have more chance of resigning Green and Ray?  is it just because we are not going into rebuilding mode? 

Are you saying we will have the full MLE this year?  that would be great.

Excellent news!

Because I feel that the only way Pierce would've ever been traded or amnestied is because we were going to acquire young talent (perhaps picks) or try to land a major FA during free agency. With KG locked up, I just can't realistically see Ainge trading away Pierce and doing that to KG.

Allen wanted multiple years. He's said so himself. That was the only thing I think would've deterred him from re-signing. And I would be hesitant if it would tie up salary for free agents. That changed with the signing.

Yes, we would have the full MLE as long as we're not paying luxury tax.

Re: KG is back
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2012, 11:11:15 AM »

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The deal is fine. This basically ensures that Pierce will not be traded or amnestied. If it's a 2 year deal, with a player option for a 3rd, it will expire with Pierce's, if he doesn't opt in. If it's a 3 year deal, and he does play all 3, it will be expire with Rondo's.

This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely.  

why does it mean Paul wont be traded?

and why does this mean that we have more chance of resigning Green and Ray?  is it just because we are not going into rebuilding mode?  

Are you saying we will have the full MLE this year?  that would be great.

Excellent news!

Paul won't be traded because he was only being traded in the "blow it up" scenario.  KG resigning means no blowing it up.

We will not have the full MLE this year, only the $3 million version.  Unlike the other poster, I don't think there's a chance that gets Kaman, unless he really just wants to play here.  I do think there's a small chance that a 1-year use of the mid-level gets Jeff Green on a make-good contract -- to show he's recovered to sign a bigger deal next year with either the C's or someone else, if the offers aren't as high as he'd hope.  But more likely we get two of the following three: Ray, Jeff Green, or a free agent center worth having.

EDIT:  I'm seeing conflicting reports about the taxpayer mid-level.  When the CBA was first signed, Larry Coon reported for ESPN that you received the lower MLE if the signed contract puts you above the apron, OR you paid the tax the prior season.  In his FAQ, it does not make that second distinction, although it does not deny it either.  Therefore, I am personally uncertain as to what size MLE the Celtics have, and also whether or not they have access to the biennial exception, which again may or may not apply as the Celtics paid the tax last year.  If they have the full MLE, they could possibly get Kaman.  I'd prefer they offer that to Ray, and use much of their space to go after Hibbert in the hope that the Pacers can't afford to match, but that's just me.
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Re: KG is back
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2012, 11:14:35 AM »

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So now we have 14-16 to play with. Hopefully we can get Green for $6-8, which would leave us $8-10 plus the MLE to get a center and a back up scorer.
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Re: KG is back
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2012, 11:15:26 AM »

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So now we have 14-16 to play with. Hopefully we can get Green for $6-8, which would leave us $8-10 plus the MLE to get a center and a back up scorer.

If those numbers are right, then we are in a terrific spot right now. Especially if it's the full MLE.
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Re: KG is back
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2012, 11:18:02 AM »

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The deal is fine. This basically ensures that Pierce will not be traded or amnestied. If it's a 2 year deal, with a player option for a 3rd, it will expire with Pierce's, if he doesn't opt in. If it's a 3 year deal, and he does play all 3, it will be expire with Rondo's.

This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely. 

why does it mean Paul wont be traded?

and why does this mean that we have more chance of resigning Green and Ray?  is it just because we are not going into rebuilding mode? 

Are you saying we will have the full MLE this year?  that would be great.

Excellent news!

Paul won't be traded because he was only being traded in the "blow it up" scenario.  KG resigning means no blowing it up.

We will not have the full MLE this year, only the $3 million version.  Unlike the other poster, I don't think there's a chance that gets Kaman, unless he really just wants to play here.  I do think there's a small chance that a 1-year use of the mid-level gets Jeff Green on a make-good contract -- to show he's recovered to sign a bigger deal next year with either the C's or someone else, if the offers aren't as high as he'd hope.  But more likely we get two of the following three: Ray, Jeff Green, or a free agent center worth having.


We would have the 5M non-tax payer exception as long as we not paying luxury tax. The mini-mid level (3M) is given to those who are paying luxury tax. We paid luxury tax last year, so we only had the latter.

We have Bird rights on Green. We don't need to use any portion of our MLE to re-sign him.