KG is back

[saltlover]

The deal is fine. This basically ensures that Pierce will not be traded or amnestied. If it's a 2 year deal, with a player option for a 3rd, it will expire with Pierce's, if he doesn't opt in. If it's a 3 year deal, and he does play all 3, it will be expire with Rondo's.

This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely. 

why does it mean Paul wont be traded?

and why does this mean that we have more chance of resigning Green and Ray?  is it just because we are not going into rebuilding mode? 

Are you saying we will have the full MLE this year?  that would be great.

Excellent news!

Paul won't be traded because he was only being traded in the "blow it up" scenario.  KG resigning means no blowing it up.

We will not have the full MLE this year, only the $3 million version.  Unlike the other poster, I don't think there's a chance that gets Kaman, unless he really just wants to play here.  I do think there's a small chance that a 1-year use of the mid-level gets Jeff Green on a make-good contract -- to show he's recovered to sign a bigger deal next year with either the C's or someone else, if the offers aren't as high as he'd hope.  But more likely we get two of the following three: Ray, Jeff Green, or a free agent center worth having.

We would have the 5M non-tax payer exception as long as we not paying luxury tax. The mini-mid level (3M) is given to those who are paying luxury tax. We paid luxury tax last year, so we only had the latter.

We have Bird rights on Green. We don't need to use any portion of our MLE to re-sign him.

I edited my comment while you were quoting it.  I have seen it reported by Larry Coon in two places differently -- one that the you get the mini mid-level if you would pay the tax this year, OR you paid it in the prior season (as we did), or that you get it only if you would pay the tax this season.

[cman88]

The main thing is, you get a future HOF big man to TEACH Jared Sullinger and Fab Melo...look what he did with BBD, Perk, Steimsma...

Doc has already said they see Sullinger as a starting calibar PF in the future, so what better way for him to develop than being taught by KG?

ever since "the decision" and the new CBA, major player hitting Free agency is becoming less and less frequent.

as Owners fear losing their "star" there are going to be more trades than anything

and, if everything pans out, we have alot of young assets(who can develop or be traded)

Bradley, JJJ, Moore, sullinger, melo, joseph, steimsma.

[KGs Knee]

So now we have 14-16 to play with. Hopefully we can get Green for $6-8, which would leave us $8-10 plus the MLE to get a center and a back up scorer.

If those numbers are right, then we are in a terrific spot right now. Especially if it's the full MLE.

Can't use cap space and the MLE.  It's one or the other.

With only approx. $15m left in theoretical cap space, we would struggle to fill out the roster with good players.  We're pretty much either going to make some sort of trade (using one of our FA's in a S&T), or just bring everyone back.

This will still allow us the FULL MLE, so long as we stay under the the $4m apron ($4m above the tax line).  The only negative is, that line then becomes a defacto hard cap for the rest of the season under such scenario.

[Celtics18]

This is me right now:



Great news!!  Good news for our rookie bigs too.

Me too! Thank you, KG!!!

[Texstyles]

I am not sure why anyone not named Wyc are worried about money with the new amnesty rule in place.  Is KG worth 10 next year...YES. If his game diminishes then we amnesty him an the rest of his contract does not count agaist the cap.  Isn't that how it works ?

That being said the c's will have 15 million to spend on 2 players ( Mayo and Green ) and still have a sign and trade option for Bass.

Correct me if Im wrong.

[hpantazo]

I am not sure why anyone not named Wyc are worried about money with the new amnesty rule in place.  Is KG worth 10 next year...YES. If his game diminishes then we amnesty him an the rest of his contract does not count agaist the cap.  Isn't that how it works ?

That being said the c's will have 15 million to spend on 2 players ( Mayo and Green ) and still have a sign and trade option for Bass.

Correct me if Im wrong.

No, you can't amnesty a guy who was signed after the new CBA began.

[Eddie20]

I am not sure why anyone not named Wyc are worried about money with the new amnesty rule in place.  Is KG worth 10 next year...YES. If his game diminishes then we amnesty him an the rest of his contract does not count agaist the cap.  Isn't that how it works ?

That being said the c's will have 15 million to spend on 2 players ( Mayo and Green ) and still have a sign and trade option for Bass.

Correct me if Im wrong.

We will only have the MLE, S & T option on Bass, and vet minimums. The cap space is not taking account of roster holds, Melo and Sullinger, etc.
No, you can't amnesty a guy who was signed after the new CBA began.

[Texstyles]

I am not sure why anyone not named Wyc are worried about money with the new amnesty rule in place.  Is KG worth 10 next year...YES. If his game diminishes then we amnesty him an the rest of his contract does not count agaist the cap.  Isn't that how it works ?

That being said the c's will have 15 million to spend on 2 players ( Mayo and Green ) and still have a sign and trade option for Bass.

Correct me if Im wrong.

No, you can't amnesty a guy who was signed after the new CBA began.

My bad I did not know it was a temp thing.

[Donoghus]

Pretty pumped right now. 

No real qualms with the contract. 

[KGs Knee]

We will likely have the full MLE this season, as I believe the tax apron is going to be somewhere around $75m.  Basically, after signing all our players, if we are at least $5m below that line, we get the full MLE.

Here's the direct quote from Larry Coon's completely updated CBA FAQ page:

NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION -- This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the apron cannot use this exception if doing so takes it above the apron. It cannot be used by a team that has already used the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or the Room Mid-Level exception. It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following amounts3:
 
Season
First-year salary
2011-12
$5.000 million
2012-13
$5.000 million
2013-14
$5.150 million
2014-15
$5.305 million
2015-16
$5.464 million
2016-17
$5.628 million
2017-18
$5.797 million
2018-19
$5.971 million
2019-20
$6.150 million
2020-21
$6.335 million


 This exception may be split and given to multiple players. It may be used for contracts up to four years in length, with raises up to 4.5% of the salary in the first year of the contract. Signing a player to a multi-year contract does not affect a team's ability to use this exception every year -- for example, a team can use this exception to sign a player to a four-year contract, and use it again the following year to sign another player. Also see question number 26 for more information on the availability and use of this exception.

If the player is a restricted free agent with one or two years of service and receives an offer sheet from a new team, the player's prior team may use the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception to match the offer sheet (see question numbers 43 and 44).

Again, this exception is only available to teams that are below the "apron," i.e., below the point $4 million above the tax line. Teams above the apron instead must use the smaller Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see below). Further, any team that uses its Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception cannot go above the apron for the remainder of that season. In other words, once a team uses its Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season4. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use its full Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception and subsequently add salary to go above the apron, since adding salary first and then using the exception would be illegal.

However, if a team uses its Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception but does not exceed the constraints of the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (e.g., in 2011-12 they use the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception to sign a player for $3 million or less), then the team is allowed to later exceed the apron. If they do so, the team is considered to have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception rather than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.

A different team salary definition is used for determining whether a team is above or below the apron. See question number 14 for details. In addition, this exception begins to pro-rate downward daily starting on January 10 each season (see question numbers 26 and 28), and expires on the last day of the team's regular season.

[wasi]

The deal is fine. This basically ensures that Pierce will not be traded or amnestied. If it's a 2 year deal, with a player option for a 3rd, it will expire with Pierce's, if he doesn't opt in. If it's a 3 year deal, and he does play all 3, it will be expire with Rondo's.

This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely. 

why does it mean Paul wont be traded?

and why does this mean that we have more chance of resigning Green and Ray?  is it just because we are not going into rebuilding mode? 

Are you saying we will have the full MLE this year?  that would be great.

Excellent news!

Paul won't be traded because he was only being traded in the "blow it up" scenario.  KG resigning means no blowing it up.

We will not have the full MLE this year, only the $3 million version.  Unlike the other poster, I don't think there's a chance that gets Kaman, unless he really just wants to play here.  I do think there's a small chance that a 1-year use of the mid-level gets Jeff Green on a make-good contract -- to show he's recovered to sign a bigger deal next year with either the C's or someone else, if the offers aren't as high as he'd hope.  But more likely we get two of the following three: Ray, Jeff Green, or a free agent center worth having.

We would have the 5M non-tax payer exception as long as we not paying luxury tax. The mini-mid level (3M) is given to those who are paying luxury tax. We paid luxury tax last year, so we only had the latter.

We have Bird rights on Green. We don't need to use any portion of our MLE to re-sign him.

We do NOT have bird rights on Green. When we went back on our offer last year because of the heart condition we gave them up. I'm sure someone else here can confirm that. That's why I wish he signed for closer to 28 cause now there's not much room. Sign Green and then you have to get cheap guys. Also, don't forget that we need to sign Melo and Sullinger too.

I'm sure Danny can figure something out though. Happy to have KG back and I would be shocked if he doesn't retire before the 3 years is up so don't worry about the 3rd year.

[anthony83]

 This is my KG, thanks you KG, you´re great and your legend will increase. I was very worried but finally he will back and stay with C´s.

 As Sanders, Mike Gorman, Perkins and others said, KG will back, Mr. Blakely and Chris Mannix said no, and the a fake of twitter was false about a possible KG´s retirement, although Stephen A Smith said yerterday "Good Chance KG and Ray, they will back to C´s".

 Rumors, rumors, rumors, best impportant, The Big Ticket is coming back¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

 

[hpantazo]

We do have Bird rights on Green from every report I read.

[KGs Knee]

The deal is fine. This basically ensures that Pierce will not be traded or amnestied. If it's a 2 year deal, with a player option for a 3rd, it will expire with Pierce's, if he doesn't opt in. If it's a 3 year deal, and he does play all 3, it will be expire with Rondo's.

This also means that we will not be looking at the FA market the next 2 or 3 years. Ainge said that is just a recipe that doesn't work. It's only worked for one team (Miami), as most players sign extensions and don't ever make it to free agency. This means that the likelihood of Allen returning for a 2 or 3 year deal just shot through the roof. Just like I now expect Green to sign a multi-year deal as well.

If Allen does return, I expect us to target a true center with our MLE (Kaman) in order to preserve KG. So a 3 year deal for the just turned 30 year old 7 footer, at yearly increases each year seems likely. 

why does it mean Paul wont be traded?

and why does this mean that we have more chance of resigning Green and Ray?  is it just because we are not going into rebuilding mode? 

Are you saying we will have the full MLE this year?  that would be great.

Excellent news!

Paul won't be traded because he was only being traded in the "blow it up" scenario.  KG resigning means no blowing it up.

We will not have the full MLE this year, only the $3 million version.  Unlike the other poster, I don't think there's a chance that gets Kaman, unless he really just wants to play here.  I do think there's a small chance that a 1-year use of the mid-level gets Jeff Green on a make-good contract -- to show he's recovered to sign a bigger deal next year with either the C's or someone else, if the offers aren't as high as he'd hope.  But more likely we get two of the following three: Ray, Jeff Green, or a free agent center worth having.

We would have the 5M non-tax payer exception as long as we not paying luxury tax. The mini-mid level (3M) is given to those who are paying luxury tax. We paid luxury tax last year, so we only had the latter.

We have Bird rights on Green. We don't need to use any portion of our MLE to re-sign him.

We do NOT have bird rights on Green. When we went back on our offer last year because of the heart condition we gave them up. I'm sure someone else here can confirm that. That's why I wish he signed for closer to 28 cause now there's not much room. Sign Green and then you have to get cheap guys. Also, don't forget that we need to sign Melo and Sullinger too.

I'm sure Danny can figure something out though. Happy to have KG back and I would be shocked if he doesn't retire before the 3 years is up so don't worry about the 3rd year.

We actually do have bird-rights on Jeff Green.  He is an unrestricted FA though.

[lightspeed5]

this is KG confirming he will move to the bench when the time comes and let sullinger or whoever take over.