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Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2012, 01:19:54 PM »

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Tyreke Evans does not know how to play with other talented players.

It's not selfishness. It's a lack of understanding and experience.

What he needs is a strong teacher and teammates who know how to play basketball. Guys who can be a positive example and show him the way. Not a bunch of misfits like what he is surrounded with in Sacramento.

Cousins doesn't have a clue how to play winning basketball either. Tyreke is actually ahead of him on the development curve which says just how incompetent Cousins currently is. Great long term prospect though (Cousins), just like Tyreke is. 

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2012, 01:23:06 PM »

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holy SF logjam...

Beasley, Wes Johnson, Ellington, Martel Webster... now Budinger?

Wes Johnson and Budinger are the only legit SF's there though, and I highly doubt Beasley is long for the T-Wolves. He's out the door.

Martell Webster is an out and out small forward too. His days of playing the two spot are over. Lost too much quickness and mobility with that back injury. One position player now (and not particularly good at that position either, average to below average backup SF).

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2012, 01:26:22 PM »

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Cousins doesn't have a clue how to play winning basketball either. Tyreke is actually ahead of him on the development curve which says just how incompetent Cousins currently is. Great long term prospect though (Cousins), just like Tyreke is.

Not to just spew stats, but Cousins averaged 18 points, 11 rebounds, and nearly 3 steals + blocks a game. He positions himself in the post very well, and is extremely patient offensively. He's far from incompetent (on the basketball court)

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2012, 01:27:58 PM »

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holy SF logjam...

Beasley, Wes Johnson, Ellington, Martel Webster... now Budinger?

Wes Johnson and Budinger are the only legit SF's there though, and I highly doubt Beasley is long for the T-Wolves. He's out the door.
If Martell Webster was healthy I'd take him over Budinger and Johnson any day of the week.  Of course I'm not sure he can ever be healthy again.  

Ellington is a SG and Johnson actually started at SG a fair amount this past season anyway.  Of course he left off Williams entirely.  

Minnesota should see if Orlando is interested in Williams, Johnson, and Pekovic as a base for Dwight.  You pair Dwight with Love and Rubio and you have a nice start in Minnesota.  Minnesota also has enough mid-size contracts that they could send a few more and take back Turk and/or Davis.  
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Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2012, 01:28:41 PM »

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Tyreke Evans does not know how to play with other talented players.

It's not selfishness. It's a lack of understanding and experience.

What he needs is a strong teacher and teammates who know how to play basketball. Guys who can be a positive example and show him the way. Not a bunch of misfits like what he is surrounded with in Sacramento.

Cousins doesn't have a clue how to play winning basketball either. Tyreke is actually ahead of him on the development curve which says just how incompetent Cousins currently is. Great long term prospect though (Cousins), just like Tyreke is. 

That's just it.  With a better coach and organization under his wing, Evans has the ability to be an all star year in and year out.  Right now, its as if Sac just threw the ball out on the court and said, ' go get em' .

No direction whatsover.  He probably feels like he has to do it all night in and night out.

Playing with better players make talents like him that much better.  With a QB like Rondo in front of Evans directing him where to go, he'd have no problem in this organization.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2012, 01:28:47 PM »

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Here's a tweet:

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Sources say Houston has an offer of Lowry, the #14 and #16 picks for Tyreke Evans and the #5 pick on the table. Up to Sacramento to decide.

If I am Sacramento I do that deal.  Maybe ask for a second rounder on top.


You beat me to it. I think that's a solid deal for SacTown.

Not sure why some people are saying it's a bad deal for Sac.  Evans is clearly out of favor there, and I don't get the sense that many people are high on him any more.  He's nothing more than a late-lottery pick at this point in terms of value.

So then Sac is basically trading the #5 for Lowry and the #16.  You could argue that's not enough for the #5, but I am not enamored with anyone in this draft after Anthony Davis, it is wide open.  If they could get an early 2nd on top that to me is a no brainer deal for Sac.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2012, 01:34:56 PM »

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Coming late to the party. Wanted to be sure that there weren't anymore of those weird "Authentication Required" popups I was getting when I was browsing the forums.

Anyhoo, I don't get the deal for Minnesota (even with the rights to Lior Eliyahu thrown in). Budinger is an OK rotation player, but I don't think he's worth the #18 pick. I think Minnesota could have gotten a lot more on draft night from a team desperate to move up.
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Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2012, 01:35:45 PM »

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Cousins doesn't have a clue how to play winning basketball either. Tyreke is actually ahead of him on the development curve which says just how incompetent Cousins currently is. Great long term prospect though (Cousins), just like Tyreke is.

Not to just spew stats, but Cousins averaged 18 points, 11 rebounds, and nearly 3 steals + blocks a game. He positions himself in the post very well, and is extremely patient offensively. He's far from incompetent (on the basketball court)

Cousins has no idea how to win in this league. He does not play winning basketball.

Cousins can, and will, learn how to do so in time but he does not know how to do so now.

Tyreke Evans has no idea how to play team basketball. Too individualistic. Both of them need to be taught how to play effective basketball. And both are capable of being perennial All-Stars. Terrific prospects, the pair of them.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2012, 01:42:14 PM »

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Cousins doesn't have a clue how to play winning basketball either. Tyreke is actually ahead of him on the development curve which says just how incompetent Cousins currently is. Great long term prospect though (Cousins), just like Tyreke is.

Not to just spew stats, but Cousins averaged 18 points, 11 rebounds, and nearly 3 steals + blocks a game. He positions himself in the post very well, and is extremely patient offensively. He's far from incompetent (on the basketball court)

Cousins has no idea how to win in this league. He does not play winning basketball.

Cousins can, and will, learn how to do so in time but he does not know how to do so now.

Tyreke Evans has no idea how to play team basketball. Too individualistic. Both of them need to be taught how to play effective basketball. And both are capable of being perennial All-Stars. Terrific prospects, the pair of them.

I guess I don't agree with your assessment, and don't really understand how you came to this conclusion.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2012, 01:50:10 PM »

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Daryl Morey is doing work. Houston might be relevant again. The way things are shaping up, Dwight Howard to Houston is plausible. Houston have the assets to get the job done. Let's not forget they also have enough cap for sign Deron Williams.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2012, 01:52:41 PM »

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Cousins doesn't have a clue how to play winning basketball either. Tyreke is actually ahead of him on the development curve which says just how incompetent Cousins currently is. Great long term prospect though (Cousins), just like Tyreke is.

Not to just spew stats, but Cousins averaged 18 points, 11 rebounds, and nearly 3 steals + blocks a game. He positions himself in the post very well, and is extremely patient offensively. He's far from incompetent (on the basketball court)

Cousins has no idea how to win in this league. He does not play winning basketball.

Cousins can, and will, learn how to do so in time but he does not know how to do so now.

Tyreke Evans has no idea how to play team basketball. Too individualistic. Both of them need to be taught how to play effective basketball. And both are capable of being perennial All-Stars. Terrific prospects, the pair of them.

I guess I don't agree with your assessment, and don't really understand how you came to this conclusion.
Inefficient offensive player who doesn't understand how to use his strengths effectively and frequently plays to his weaknesses and hurts his team.

For example, despite being one of most gifted and dangerous interior scorers in the league, Cousins spends way too much time away from the rim and takes about half his total shot attempts from outside the paint and shoots only 35% on them. Because of that, his TS% is at 50%. Add in his turnovers and Cousins is scoring at 0.855 points per possession vs a league average of about 0.95.

And while he shows some talent as a passer, it is frequently underutilized (because of his teammates and because of his own bad decision making on the court and because of bad coaching.

Lousy defensive player who gets beaten far too often in one-on-one situations and doesn't know how to play team defense. A liability who costs his team a lot of points on this end of the floor.

His rebounding is very very strong though.

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When Cousins starts playing intelligent offense and learns how to play defense, he'll be a dominant player in the NBA.

Until then, he won't win games for his team. So yes, while Cousins does do a lot of good things on the basketball court ... he also does a lot of bad things and those negatives take just as much, if not more, off the table than his positives puts on the table.


The man does not play winning basketball. Too ineffective offensively and too much of a liability defensively. Sacramento will continue to be one of the worst teams in the league until Cousins learns how to play effective winning basketball.

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Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2012, 06:14:36 PM »

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Not sure this really helps Minnesota. The Love/Rubio/Pekovic core is solid and I'd rather have DWilliams then Buddinger.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger for the 18th pick
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2012, 06:32:06 PM »

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Daryl Morey is a secret Lakers agent,  just go back a few months with that bogus trade to try to aqcuire CP3 to the Lakers.

Daryl Morey is the guy that convinced Danny Ainge to draft Rondo.

How? Not as in a scarcastic how but a ive never heard of this, interested how.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger toT-Wolves for the18th pick
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2012, 07:46:40 PM »

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IMO david kahn was an idiot to do that trade. he can totally pick up someone solid at 18. how did kahn get a job as an nba gm i will never know.

Re: Rockets trade Buddinger toT-Wolves for the18th pick
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2012, 08:04:50 PM »

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IMO david kahn was an idiot to do that trade. he can totally pick up someone solid at 18. how did kahn get a job as an nba gm i will never know.

I always laugh when someone suggests that there is no way the T-Wolves would do some proposed trade because it is horrible.  LOL at people whose reasoning is that David Kahn wouldn't do something stupid.
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