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Online rondohondo

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According to NBADRAFT.NET the Rockets and Celtics could be potential trade partners. Now I have no idea if this guy has any insider information, but I figured it was worth passing along

http://www.nbadraft.net/2012-nba-mock-draft-60

Pick # 16 - Houston : Royce White

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This pick could easily be traded and Boston could be a team that ends up moving up for White. Royce White has top 10 talent in this class but the concerns about his anxiety disorder are likely to drop him to the late first/early second round area. Scouts also question his shooting and ability to fit a position. He's a unique player as he's beast with great strength with the ability to handle and pass like a guard. The one big concern is his anxiety disorder that has prevented him from flying in the past.
NBA Comparison: Anthony Mason

Pick # 22 - Boston : Marquis Teague
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We hear that Houston is targeting Teague and could take him 16th pick, or look to move back for him. There a good chance that Boston trades this pick to move up (For Austin Rivers or Royce White). So this pick (or 21) could easily be made by a team other than Boston. Teague struggled as a floor general at times at UK, he came through when it matter with a solid tourney showing. Teague drew criticism from UK Nation after a rough start to the year. But his play in the tournament helped erase that some and has him back in the first round picture. He has ideal physical tools for a point guard, possessing size, quickness and explosiveness along with a "ball on a string" handle. His blinding first step makes him extremely difficult to stay in front of.
NBA Comparison: Jeff Teague

Houston pick # 16 would seem to be the highest the C's could move up if they packages their picks. There is the McHale connection , but doubt that has much effect on a draft day trade.

Does Houston really want 3 draft picks in the first round ?(they already have pick # 14)

The C's definitely seem to want to move up according to "sources"


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 Here was a very good article on how unique a talent Royce White is from nbadraft.net. He sounds an awful lot like Rondo stepping up his production against the better teams ...
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Royce White is a truly fascinating prospect. Not every potential draft pick who comes along has taught himself to play the piano. Very few, if any, college students have turned their 21st birthday party into a non-alcoholic event to help fundraise for a group that serves children with mental health and behavioral disorders. White has spoken openly of past problems at Minnesota, interests beyond basketball, wanting to visit Tibet, and admitted to not like flying. For all of the off the court elements of White that make him interesting, it is what he did on the court that takes the cake. Not only was he the only player in college basketball to lead his team in scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, and blocked shots, but he had the most remarkable split in how he functioned in a given game based off his team's need. In Iowa State’s 18 games against teams that did not finish the season in the RPI Top 100, White averaged 10.1 points on 51.9 percent shooting, 8.7 rebounds, 2.1 offensive rebounds, 5.6 assists. 1.0 steals, and 0.9 blocked shots in 29.3 minutes per game. He often served as Iowa State’s point guard, and a 10.1 point and 5.6 assist average is not dissimilar from the lines put forth by Scoop Jardine and Marquis Teague across all splits. In and of itself, that particular statistical split is rather impressive for someone who is 6’ 8” and 261 lbs, but only part of what speaks to the unique nature of his season.


the 16 games in which the Cyclones faced RPI 100 opponents, his averages jumped to 17.1 points on 54.3 percent shooting, 9.9 rebounds, 2.9 offensive rebounds, 4.4 assists. 1.4 steals, and 1.0 blocked shots in 34 minutes per game. Depending on his opposition, he effectively went from an oversized point guard who could get all his teammates involved to quite possibly the most dynamic offensive prospect among the forwards in this draft class. When comparing the performances against teams in the RPI Top 100 of the fifteen forwards projected in NBADraft.net’s June 20th mock to go in the first round when, White ranked first in assists and free throws attempted, third in field goal percentage and steals, fourth in scoring and offensive rebounds, fifth in defensive rebounds, and seventh in blocked shots. His advantages also go into the more subjective where it can easily be argued that is the best ball handler of the group as well as the player who was the most successful finishing inside with both hands. Where he ranked poorly was in free throw percentage and turnovers, last in each category. The turnover statistic when assessed as part of his overall usage and otherwise overall effectiveness is much less of a concern than the free throw percentage. If his free throw shooting remains at around 50 percent, it could lessen the value of his ability to get to the rim off the dribble, score in the low post, and offensive rebound.

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White’s split by opposition would be even more stark if one considers the performances in losses to Drake (RPI rank: 133) and Oklahoma State (RPI rank: 120). In those two games, he attempted his most (19) and third most (16) field goal attempts on the season and averaged 18 points, 13 rebounds, and 5.5 assists. Regardless, when looking upon him both statistically and stylistically, he appears to be the most unique an NBA prospect to come along in some time. After accounting for the difference in minutes played, which typically accounts for most statistical increases for star players against better competition, White took 60.1 percent more field goal and free throw attempts when he faced RPI 100 teams than he did against all others. In the net, he took 5 more field goal attempts, 2 more free throw attempts, and averaged 7 more points per game. This extreme alteration in style has not been seen before. Statistically, such deviances happen from time to time, but usually can be explained. For example, this season, Purdue’s Lewis Jackson, Temple’s Micheal Eric, and Festus Ezeli had far more active stat lines in games in RPI 100 games than in others, however the explanations for those splits are related to their injuries. Eric and Ezeli missed a number of games due to knee problems. It just so happened that the majority of the games in which they worked themselves back into their typical form were against weaker opposition. Lewis Jackson spent much of his season bothered by foot and back problems, the latter of which limited him from practice all season long and forced him to pick his spots in which games he would be aggressive. Beyond injuries, there are occasions where there is one improbably outlier game that greatly a season output. Dion Waiters had a career game against Cincinnati in the Big East tournament where he had 28 points on 7-10 from behind the arc. More than one-sixth of all the three pointers he made on the year came in that one game, and as a result has his end of the year numbers look like he is a much more developed perimeter shooter than the rest of his two-year body of work would have a person believe. Neither injury nor outlier is the case with White, which makes the splits so interesting.

The importance of the splits when looking at White as an NBA prospect is that one of the larger on-court questions put forth about him is whether or not he can succeed if the team that drafts him does not play him in the same way Fred Hoiberg did at Iowa State. While it is always prudent to consider how a player’s strengths and weaknesses would fit the role he would be asked to play, in this case it understates the revealed versatility of his play as well as embedded on court understanding to know what his team needs of him to best help them in a given game. His performance this season was much more complex than simply him playing the LeBron-role in the Big Twelve. If a team needed a power forward who could get on the offensive glass, White pulled down 2.4 offensive rebounds in Big Twelve games and 2.9 in games against the RPI Top 100, which is not all that different from the 2.7 offensive rebounds Thomas Robinson did in the Big Twelve and 2.8 against the RPI Top 100 for whom his ability to get a team an extra possession is viewed as a major strength. White can operate effectively on both ends of the pick and roll as either point or screener. As effective as he was working dribble handoffs that rolled into screens at Iowa State, it is hard believe he would not also be a quality and willing screener if he was also off the ball.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2012-draft-study-results
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You don't move up for Royce White...he'll be around at 21 if you really want him

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You don't move up for Royce White...he'll be around at 21 if you really want him

Disagree. If Danny really wants him, I know I do but I'm absolutely positive Denver and Minnesota are massive threats to our ability to obtain his rights.

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Houston makes sense as a trade partner. They already have too many players on rookie contracts, no way they will use 2 picks this year - they need some veterans.
 
Besides, not sure if Daryl Morey can keep his job if they fail to reach the playoffs one more year.

I don't believe that Danny would take White that high, my hope is that we will get Terrence Ross with #16.

I think that if there is a trade arranged, Dalembert will most definitely be involved in it.
He has only 1 year left on his deal which would give us flexibility going forward, plus he would give us defensive presence in the middle we desperately need.

Have no idea what would Houston want from us. Maybe some three team trade involving Pierce or S&T with Green or Bass (that would have to wait until July 1st)
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You don't move up for Royce White...he'll be around at 21 if you really want him

Disagree. If Danny really wants him, I know I do but I'm absolutely positive Denver and Minnesota are massive threats to our ability to obtain his rights.

completely agree, he will be gone before # 21 .

I would do the deal. There is no way the c's are going to be playing 2 rookies(especially limited one). Trade up for a guy that can make an impact immediately , has an NBA ready body and a ton of potential.

This is the guy I want even if we have to trade up. He seems to have really changed his life around according to all reports and is helping others with anxiety issues. He is going to be really good I think.

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No way we should trade up for White. At 16 there are going to be better players available.

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You don't move up for Royce White...he'll be around at 21 if you really want him

I hope another team picks him early, so we don't have to hear his name mentioned ever again.

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Yeah White scares me b/c of his disorder. I hope the C's keep their 21st and 22nd picks. Wouldnt mind taking him with one of our picks but not trading up for him. Or Danny maybe trading up to get Sullinger..that would make me sick
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If they could move up some how to 16 and still keep 21 that would be great (future first or maybe the Nets 2nd next year). However, I'm not really a fan of moving up to get White, I'd prefer Rivers (if he fell), Harkless, or either of the Jones.
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No way we should trade up for White. At 16 there are going to be better players available.

...like?

I'm all for moving up if it doesn't include trading 22. 21, E'twaun and a second? Absolutely. Maybe JaJaun and a second?

There isn't going to be anyone better at 16, and the only other guy I'd consider of he's there is Terrance Ross.

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Terrance Ross perhaps :o that would be great.


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i can see him moving up for austin

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Moultrie please...that is who I want to move up to get. Unfortunately I think delusional will move up for White. When DA falls in love he falls hard (see Jeff Green).

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Moultrie please...that is who I want to move up to get. Unfortunately I think delusional will move up for White. When DA falls in love he falls hard (see Jeff Green).

what exactly is delusional about Danny Ainge? It appears to me he almost always makes the right decision .

Lets Posey walk- Posey is useless for the last 2 years of his new contract.

Lets Powe Walk- People were angry at Danny for this, but Powe has never regained his early celtics form after multiple knee injuries

Trades Perk for Jeff Green and a 1st- Perk at 8 mil plus is just ridiculous . If Jeff Green comes back healthy(Turiaf  had the same surgery and has played for 5+ years since then), and the c's make even a decent pick(Fab Melo) with # 22 they win this trade hands down .

Trades BBD for Bass: Trades a near 30 mil contract for a 4 mil 1 year deal and better production. We can still use Bass in a s+t or use his free cap space to bring in another player.

The only one you can say that really got away was Tony Allen, but that was more of Tony Allen wanting to step out of the shadow of the big 3 .

He has drafted very well for where he has been picking in the draft. I just don't see how you can hate Danny so much ::)

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We should within reason do whatever it takes to get White. Its just one of those things where he could end up being the best player in this draft and folks are afraid of the risk involved. Imagine the influence of Rondo, KG, Doc and PP and Ray if he stays.He was as good as anyone last year.