Why Royce White and the C's are a fit

[esel1000]

The reason White and Rondo are a fit is Royce's ballhandling and passing. He could provide the Celtics with another ballhandling option who can make plays when the opposing defenses collapse on Rondo and trap him off pick and rolls.

This. Royce is just such a versatile offensive player. Even in the NBA right now, there are very few guys who can be either the pick setter or the ball handler in a pick and roll situation. I think he can defend the 4 position pretty well too with his bulk and length. If our second unit looks something like:

Moore
Pietrus (assuming he comes back)
Green
White
Stiemsma

White can play as the "point small forward" on offense while Green, who doesn't need the ball in his hands, plays as a stretch 4. On defense Green is athletic enough to guard most 3's. That second unit line-up has playmaking (White), floor spacing (Moore and Pietrus), athleticism (Green, White), shot-blocking(Stiemsma) and rebounding (White & Stiemsma). That's a very balanced bench right there.

yeah that bench and White's role is exactly how I viewed it when writing this thread, though the point made above about using him when Rondo is trapped is a great point and something I never even thought of. I feel like they both need the ball to be effective but having two passers of that caliber together could make a great team as well if they can coexist.

[Freeease1]

Royce White is the type of player that will allow Rondo to speed up the play of the offense. He would not hold or dribbble the Ball into double teams or go Iso at a snails pace. the ball would move to other players that are cutting to the basket ot are just coming opened of curls et al playing at small foward might help Rondo to keep the ball moving and the team in motion rather than stagnate by standing and waiting……. I would like to see RW on our team as a small Foward. He would be a better and faster and more atletic Ryan Gomes.

[Neurotic Guy]

1) He lead his top tier team in rebounding, blocks and steals.  No defense?   
2) Stop slandering the kid.  He was a teenager in with the wrong crowd. He shoplifted a pair of pants and shoved a security guard.  That's nothing.  Tell me honestly you didn't do anything stupid as a teenager.  If it was serious, he would've been arrested. 
3) He celebrated his 21st birthday by having an alcohol free party raising awareness for mental illness.  Unfortunately ignorance still runs rampant where people with anxiety disorders are called nutjobs and discriminated.
4) His coach raves that he went above and beyond his duties on and off the court.  Royce White is a model human being.  His coach said he received tons of e-mails and letters thanking Royce from the parents of children he helps through his philanthropy.  Would love to have this kid in Boston

I agree with most of your post, but to call his brushes with the law 'nothing' is inviting trouble in my opinion.  Theft is far from nothing.

It may be true that he's owned up to his actions and has since turned it around (and from what I've read, that's exactly the case), but I can't be so quick to dismiss that big of a mistake.  It's still a cause for concern, and I'd imagine it was one of the major questions posed to him by NBA teams during interviews. 

Teenagers do stupid things.  If no one was harmed then I feel that this is harmless.  I've shoplifted a candy bar or two when I was a kid.  Now I know better.  Haven't you?  If he hurt someone or had a DUI I would be more concerned.

While it isn't OK to condone the things a person might have done when they were young, it also isn't OK to condemn a person for a few lapses in judgment (assuming the results were relatively benign).   I've had a few lapses in judgment myself. 

[greg_kite]

I know nothing about this guy but he looked pretty good in that highlight video.  Reminded me a little of Paul Pierce actually, taking the ball to the hoop with strength and control.  Not the range of Pierce but looks good for a 21 pick if it happens.

But I really can't imagine Ainge ever making a promise like that.  First, he would never show his hand like that.  He keeps things tight so nobody knows what he's up to.  Second, draft promises should have been outlawed after the Shelden Williams draft and a guy as smart as Ainge would never take away his options.  What if someone slides that he really likes?  Like when Pierce fell to 10, or Rondo fell to 21?  Makes zero sense.

[European NBA fan]

I really hope that we get White. He is one of the guys after the top six, where I wonder if he could actually be the best or 2nd best player (if Davis lives up to the promise) in this draft class.

[jdz101]

From the vision he looks great when he gets a head of steam.

Very easy nickname aswell... Rolls Royce

[hpantazo]

I know nothing about this guy but he looked pretty good in that highlight video.  Reminded me a little of Paul Pierce actually, taking the ball to the hoop with strength and control.  Not the range of Pierce but looks good for a 21 pick if it happens.

But I really can't imagine Ainge ever making a promise like that.  First, he would never show his hand like that.  He keeps things tight so nobody knows what he's up to.  Second, draft promises should have been outlawed after the Shelden Williams draft and a guy as smart as Ainge would never take away his options.  What if someone slides that he really likes?  Like when Pierce fell to 10, or Rondo fell to 21?  Makes zero sense.

Ainge bought the 21st pick from the Suns to draft Rondo, so he could do the same if someone else slides.

[coco]

Everytime I see/read about a leaked "promise" makes me wonder.  What if the leak is on purpose, someone jumps in front of us and grab White, and Danny's real target falls down to 21?

or

The leak is real and unintended, someone grabs White before 21, Cs end with scrubs...

Can't wait to see how things shake up on Thursday.

[Sketch5]

Everytime I see/read about a leaked "promise" makes me wonder.  What if the leak is on purpose, someone jumps in front of us and grab White, and Danny's real target falls down to 21?

or

The leak is real and unintended, someone grabs White before 21, Cs end with scrubs...

Can't wait to see how things shake up on Thursday.

Or, Atlanta wants White and they use it for a trade chip for Smith.

 Kristic S&T
 Bass S&T
 White

 I know its an  some what unrealistic trade, but DA has done these type of trades before Green/Gnomes/Jefferson for KG I believe. turned out ok. And Atlanta will not get face value for Smith. Star trades never do.

[hpantazo]

Everytime I see/read about a leaked "promise" makes me wonder.  What if the leak is on purpose, someone jumps in front of us and grab White, and Danny's real target falls down to 21?

or

The leak is real and unintended, someone grabs White before 21, Cs end with scrubs...

Can't wait to see how things shake up on Thursday.

Or, Atlanta wants White and they use it for a trade chip for Smith.

 Kristic S&T
 Bass S&T
 White

 I know its an  some what unrealistic trade, but DA has done these type of trades before Green/Gnomes/Jefferson for KG I believe. turned out ok. And Atlanta will not get face value for Smith. Star trades never do.

2 guys who are not under contract with us and the 21st pick for Josh Smith is a guarantee to be vetoed. Not even close to the KG trade.

[cman88]

one things for sure, he's a beast on the fastbreak handling the ball.

when the C's force a turnover imagine white, Rondo, bradley on the fast break....I think thats where danny is thinking if we draft White.

[Sketch5]

Everytime I see/read about a leaked "promise" makes me wonder.  What if the leak is on purpose, someone jumps in front of us and grab White, and Danny's real target falls down to 21?

or

The leak is real and unintended, someone grabs White before 21, Cs end with scrubs...

Can't wait to see how things shake up on Thursday.

Or, Atlanta wants White and they use it for a trade chip for Smith.

 Kristic S&T
 Bass S&T
 White

 I know its an  some what unrealistic trade, but DA has done these type of trades before Green/Gnomes/Jefferson for KG I believe. turned out ok. And Atlanta will not get face value for Smith. Star trades never do.

2 guys who are not under contract with us and the 21st pick for Josh Smith is a guarantee to be vetoed. Not even close to the KG trade.

Thats why they call it a Sign and Trade. You hear it on draft night the the phrase "players to be determine" Or wait two weeks and work out a deal then. Its a decent trade. Atlanta gets a C a back up PF and a promising rookie for a guy that out of there in a season.

[hpantazo]

Everytime I see/read about a leaked "promise" makes me wonder.  What if the leak is on purpose, someone jumps in front of us and grab White, and Danny's real target falls down to 21?

or

The leak is real and unintended, someone grabs White before 21, Cs end with scrubs...

Can't wait to see how things shake up on Thursday.

Or, Atlanta wants White and they use it for a trade chip for Smith.

 Kristic S&T
 Bass S&T
 White

 I know its an  some what unrealistic trade, but DA has done these type of trades before Green/Gnomes/Jefferson for KG I believe. turned out ok. And Atlanta will not get face value for Smith. Star trades never do.

2 guys who are not under contract with us and the 21st pick for Josh Smith is a guarantee to be vetoed. Not even close to the KG trade.

Thats why they call it a Sign and Trade. You hear it on draft night the the phrase "players to be determine" Or wait two weeks and work out a deal then. Its a decent trade. Atlanta gets a C a back up PF and a promising rookie for a guy that out of there in a season.

I know what a sign and trade is. The point is that there is ZERO incentive for the hawks to even consider doing a sign and trade for a mediocre PF who they can sign anyway, a late 1st, and a mediocre center who may not even return to the NBA, for a young, all-star PF.

It doesn't even make sense for the hawks to try to sign either of those guys as FA's at all. If they want a pick for Smith, they can get a top 5 pick for him instead of a late first. They would have no use for Kristic and little use for Bass.

[Sketch5]

Everytime I see/read about a leaked "promise" makes me wonder.  What if the leak is on purpose, someone jumps in front of us and grab White, and Danny's real target falls down to 21?

or

The leak is real and unintended, someone grabs White before 21, Cs end with scrubs...

Can't wait to see how things shake up on Thursday.

Or, Atlanta wants White and they use it for a trade chip for Smith.

 Kristic S&T
 Bass S&T
 White

 I know its an  some what unrealistic trade, but DA has done these type of trades before Green/Gnomes/Jefferson for KG I believe. turned out ok. And Atlanta will not get face value for Smith. Star trades never do.

2 guys who are not under contract with us and the 21st pick for Josh Smith is a guarantee to be vetoed. Not even close to the KG trade.

Thats why they call it a Sign and Trade. You hear it on draft night the the phrase "players to be determine" Or wait two weeks and work out a deal then. Its a decent trade. Atlanta gets a C a back up PF and a promising rookie for a guy that out of there in a season.

I know what a sign and trade is. The point is that there is ZERO incentive for the hawks to even consider doing a sign and trade for a mediocre PF who they can sign anyway, a late 1st, and a mediocre center who may not even return to the NBA, for a young, all-star PF.

It doesn't even make sense for the hawks to try to sign either of those guys as FA's at all. If they want a pick for Smith, they can get a tope 5 pick for him instead of a late first. They would have no use for Kristic and little use for Bass.

Heres the thing. Smith wants out, Atlanta wants him out. And most likely after what he said about the fans, before the season starts.

Not too many teams have 13 Mil to trade. Boston can offer more to Bass than Atlanta to make #'s work, plus I think they would have to get rid of Smith before they could sign him any ways.

Kristic may or may not come back, reprots are saying he's thinking of it. But this has happened before when you trade for the rights of a guy.

 If White is as good as people are saying he's a future All Star. Even throw in the 22nd to sweeten the pot.

Smith wants to come to Boston. He may say that he wont sign a long term contract with any one but Boston. What team would drop 13 Mil in players for a 1 year rental.

The Melo trade kinda went like this, you look on paper what Denver got out of it and you think they got robed. yeah there may need to be some other little things like future picks, maybe even Allen with Bass.

Odder trades have happened...Gasol trade maybe?

[fairweatherfan06]

I like Josh Smith I think he'd be a great fit here, but we still need a center because KG should not be playing big minutes at Center during the season.

That being said my problem is not with Royce White needing the ball to score or being a suspect shooter (although those are issues).  Two  main reasons he's a poor fit

1) Free throw shooting this guy can potentially get fouled a lot he's not gonna be able to stay on the floor in games if his free throw shooting is a liability it kills a full third of his effectiveness at a pro level.

2) Defense, all the write ups I've seen on him suggest he is a disinterested defender and lacks lateral quickness to defend on the perimeter.  One site actually called him a "liability".  Lebron, Kevin Durant and those would eat him alive and Danny has of late been drafting people with huge upside as defenders or already accomplished ones. 

Why do we want him again?