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Why Royce White and the C's are a fit
« on: June 22, 2012, 07:21:20 PM »

Offline esel1000

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So last night when I heard Chad Ford come out and say the C's promised White I was pumped and hoped (and still hope) that it's true. Royce White is an incredibly gifted player, though there seems to be debate as to whether or not hes a fit for this team. I think he is, and can understand why Danny would take him.

A lot of people would argue that Royce is Rondo 2.0 at a different position. In fact, they are very similar players with the exception that Royce plays sf/pf and therefore grabs more rebounds, and Rondo as a pg averages more assists. Still, they are very similar in how they play the game. Both are great passers. Both are streaky shooters. Both grab their fair share of rebounds. In fact, Royce has the capability to be a triple double kind of guy fairly easily in the same way that Rondo has perfected it if you compare their games.

For this reason, a lot of people will say that it's pointless to grab White if hes basically another Rondo. Well I look at it and say this is exactly why you grab him. Rondo and Royce would never share the floor. I agree that would be a complete disaster. On one hand, Rondo is a master at spreading the floor and setting up his big men for wide open J's. As White is a streaky shooter, this wouldn't fit well. Also, both need the offense to run through them in a way as both are very very good passers. No, on this Celtics team, Royce White would be a bench guy... but a great one, and an excellent 6th man.

Look at it like this. What has kept our bench from excelling? Easy, a great passer who can find the open man, get his teammates involved, and score and rebound himself at a very high rate. When Rondo sits, the offense tends to get a bit stagnant and our bench is unreliable. For this reason, when Rondo sits, you get Royce into the game. Think about how great our team would have been this year with a passer of White's level coming off the bench. It would have been amazing.

Right now, Rondo is our assist guy. Pierce plays the role of point forward when needed. Well, Royce is built to be a point forward...who rebounds. Whose incredibly strong and if needed could defend virtually any position, who could come in with the 2nd unit when our starters sit and create an actual offense, defend well and hold the fort when our main guys are not playing.

White would play a big role on this team. Lottery level talent with anxiety issues. I say grab him, its a gamble worth taking.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 07:25:14 PM »

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Like I said in another thread and previous threads in the past. I would love love love White to drop to us at 21. He could be a killer addition for us in a couple years.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 07:33:44 PM »

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It's interesting that some people are projecting him to play the 3.  Has there ever been a successful 3 in the NBA who weighs more than 260 pounds?

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 07:44:50 PM »

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It's interesting that some people are projecting him to play the 3.  Has there ever been a successful 3 in the NBA who weighs more than 260 pounds?

dunno off hand, Lebrons like 250 and they seem to have a similar build. Still idk I see this guy as a pf with the second unit, maybe sf if they play small and use a guy like Green or JJJ at pf (should they still be here).

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 07:53:00 PM »

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Nice post, Esel,

But, if we pick Royce White, I would still want to think that he'd be able to share the floor with Rondo for good portions of a game.  Otherwise, he'll never get more than 10 to 12 MPGs.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 07:56:35 PM »

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Nice post, Esel,

But, if we pick Royce White, I would still want to think that he'd be able to share the floor with Rondo for good portions of a game.  Otherwise, he'll never get more than 10 to 12 MPGs.

thank you, oh and I agree with you, but I think for the makeup of our current team, especially if we bring a lot of these guys back as Danny seems to insinuate then as a rookie 10-12mpg is probably sufficient for him in the 2nd unit. Now if he improves his jumpshot which I think he could then him and Rondo would pair well together at times, however I still like him as a 6th man to start then having him come in with Rondo periodically. I think in a few years they could make a good team. And the passing would be off the charts.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 08:00:20 PM »

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Nice post, Esel,

But, if we pick Royce White, I would still want to think that he'd be able to share the floor with Rondo for good portions of a game.  Otherwise, he'll never get more than 10 to 12 MPGs.

thank you, oh and I agree with you, but I think for the makeup of our current team, especially if we bring a lot of these guys back as Danny seems to insinuate then as a rookie 10-12mpg is probably sufficient for him in the 2nd unit. Now if he improves his jumpshot which I think he could then him and Rondo would pair well together at times, however I still like him as a 6th man to start then having him come in with Rondo periodically. I think in a few years they could make a good team. And the passing would be off the charts.

I'm willing to take the chance on him as well.   I think they could learn to coexist nicely down the road.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 08:12:24 PM »

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LBJ is listed by Cavs ate 265-270 , he was 250 as a rookie..We aren't going to get another perfect LBJ to cover the original one, but we are going to need "TUFF" characters.  LBJ intimidates skinny guys and drives on them , he needs guys at least his weight to stand their ground who can take his charges or make him pay the price for going in the paint.  I would like to see guys like White and Mello guarding and rebounding for us .  We nee some tuffnest (*white) and size (Melo)  .  Not more Swingmen,no more 160 pound  jump shooters.  

We need guys that don't mind playing in the paint , and not standing outside shooting J's all day.  ..... :'(

Sullinger is flatfooted and to soft.

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 08:19:45 PM »

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If we do pick White, it would be nice to see a Rondo Green White running combo. Some athletic forwards, Bradley, and maybe KG is a great running team for Rondo to control. Granted the offensive half court possibilities would probably only run through KG, we would still be a great fast break team. We'd run a lot, then completely change the tempo of the game once Pierce and Ray (if he comes back) checks in.
I like Marcus Smart

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 08:38:40 PM »

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Could be fun to watch those guys fill the lanes and the passes.   Wow.

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2012, 08:42:41 PM »

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another under sized PF .. noo i pass if were not trading up for rivers or sullinger(who's also a undersized PF but i think he
ll be very good in this league) then just trade our picks & develop the 6'11 JJJ waiting on the wings , & sign FA's who can help win now

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It's interesting that some people are projecting him to play the 3.  Has there ever been a successful 3 in the NBA who weighs more than 260 pounds?

That Lebron guy is OK.

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It's interesting that some people are projecting him to play the 3.  Has there ever been a successful 3 in the NBA who weighs more than 260 pounds?

dunno off hand, Lebrons like 250 and they seem to have a similar build. Still idk I see this guy as a pf with the second unit, maybe sf if they play small and use a guy like Green or JJJ at pf (should they still be here).
Is Danny trying to go for a LeBron stopper with a similar build, does this guy play defense?
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2012, 09:18:13 PM »

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I agree White would be a great fit on our team. He can play with Rondo I dont understand why people keep saying he cant.

You bring KG out to the high post on Offense Put White in the low post. White cant shoot, neither could Perk. White misses FTs so did Perk. Perk couldnt finish around the rim without winding up White has offense down low that Perk didnt have despite him being 6'10".

The kid can rebound and would allow our fast break to jump start. We know danny wants to run more to accentuate Rondos strengths. This kid allows Rondo to get out on the break with his speed and White to start the break and get Rondo the ball for easy ones. Not that we want to do that all day but there will be times when rondo sees White getting a board and just streaks down court for an easy pass and layup.

And we havn't even talked about his coast to coast skills. If you don't stop the ball he will take it all of the way. And stopping him isnt all that easy as he is very skilled and able with his dribble.

 He may miss half of his Fts early on but he will be putting peoples buts on the bench right away.


 Hes strong like BB and athletic and long like Bbass. With the skills of Rondo.

 And playing with great players will only make him better.


 At 21 with high reward potential this is the type of risks that make GMs look Great..... or terrible:( 


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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 09:40:57 PM »

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Has White shown himself to be any sort of positive on the defensive end like Rondo? Did Rondo assault anyone in college? Those off the court issues can often times reflect the character of the individual.

I wouldn't want that nutjob White on my team. That is all Doc needs. Hard enough having to manage Rondo and his moods. Now add White to the mix? No thanks