Celtics making promise to Royce White at 21? (rumor)

[EDWARDO]

Call me crazy but I'd rather have Harkless..

You are not crazy. Royce is overrated player. A stat padder in college. I can name 10 guys I'd rather have over White

You'd have a better argument if we were taking him at #10.

[Change]

Call me crazy but I'd rather have Harkless..

You are not crazy. Royce is overrated player. A stat padder in college. I can name 10 guys I'd rather have over White

10 players eh?  Since we're picking at 21, pretty good deal right?

10 players projected between 18-35

Festus Ezeli
Jeffery Taylor
Terrence Ross
Moe Harkless
Andrew Nicholson
Evan Fournier
Jared Cunningham
Will Barton
Quincy Miller
Fab Melo

Fab Melo and Eziel

Youth, and size. Whats not to like?

BTW forgot to include Tony Wroten my favorite of the bunch. Upgraded list

1)Tony Wroten
2)Festus Ezeli
3)Jeffery Taylor
4)Terrence Ross
5)Moe Harkless
6)Andrew Nicholson
7)Evan Fournier
8)Jared Cunningham
9)Will Barton
10)Quincy Miller
11)Fab Melo

[rondohondo]

Call me crazy but I'd rather have Harkless..

You are not crazy. Royce is overrated player. A stat padder in college. I can name 10 guys I'd rather have over White

10 players eh?  Since we're picking at 21, pretty good deal right?

10 players projected between 18-35

Festus Ezeli
Jeffery Taylor
Terrence Ross
Moe Harkless
Andrew Nicholson
Evan Fournier
Jared Cunningham
Will Barton
Quincy Miller
Fab Melo

Fab Melo and Eziel

Youth, and size. Whats not to like?

BTW forgot to include Tony Wroten my favorite of the bunch. Upgraded list

1)Tony Wroten
2)Festus Ezeli
3)Jeffery Taylor
4)Terrence Ross
5)Moe Harkless
6)Andrew Nicholson
7)Evan Fournier
8)Jared Cunningham
9)Will Barton
10)Quincy Miller
11)Fab Melo

yea because youth and size is more important than skill and results against other top lottery picks ....

hello Yinka Dare,Freddrick Weis + Micheal olowakandi !

[manl_lui]

I was watching the draft combine today and Royce White did pretty well against the other Power Forward prospects out there including against Nicholson that most people were talking about here.

He has pretty good lateral movements and has very good strengths, but lacks a little post moves, but still I was impressed

[snively]

I hate the thought of Danny making a promise in this draft.  What's the upside?  That he doesn't work out for the handful of teams picking after us?  And the downside is that we would miss out on any highly-ranked players who fell to us?

If Quincy Miller and Jared Sullinger are there at 21, and we pass on one of them for White, it's going to be a big mistake in my mind.

You fancy Miller that highly?  I prefer White.

[jyyzzoel]

I wouldn't mind Royce in green at all. Good passer, good rebounder, and would fit in the culture well.

royce was a beast in college but this doesnt seem to add up. is it just me or does danny love defensive players. it's always said that if you cant play defense youre sitting on docs bench.

his offense is superb, but everyone says he's not a very good defensive player, has trouble staying in front of his man.

http://swishscout.com/?page_id=8609

like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqam5NZNkMQ&feature=player_embedded

and im quoting:

"Defense: Leaves a lot to be desired on defense, and despite what his playmaking averages from steals and blocks might tell you, the effort and instincts are lacking. On the perimeter, he is slower laterally unable to keep up with quicker forward, frequently getting beat because of his inability to keep up. Conversely, his post defense isn’t nearly as poor, putting his length and strength to use guarding the block. Handles and absorbs back downs from post ups well, holding his ground to fight back, go straight up with his length and make it difficult on his man to get off a good look down low. Does have quick hands to strip it away from the ball handler, picking up 1.5 steals per 40 min., and has some potential as a post doubler with his length and quick hands to both the post up man to get it out of the paint or help create a turnover. Can be a liability in terms of team defense and shows little awareness, as he doesn’t seem to help, rotate, position or communicate well during breakdowns, which will need to be addressed immediately to manage in the NBA. Can be overly lackadaisical guarding the pick and roll, but mostly will show under the screens and switch when appropriate. His off ball defense isn’t great, as he can fight over screens but doesn’t recover nearly that fast, can get lost, and doesn’t challenge shots well. Has the potential to improve and overcome limitations to become decent, but likely never is going to be more than average on D."

[Change]

Call me crazy but I'd rather have Harkless..

You are not crazy. Royce is overrated player. A stat padder in college. I can name 10 guys I'd rather have over White

10 players eh?  Since we're picking at 21, pretty good deal right?

10 players projected between 18-35

Festus Ezeli
Jeffery Taylor
Terrence Ross
Moe Harkless
Andrew Nicholson
Evan Fournier
Jared Cunningham
Will Barton
Quincy Miller
Fab Melo

Fab Melo and Eziel

Youth, and size. Whats not to like?

BTW forgot to include Tony Wroten my favorite of the bunch. Upgraded list

1)Tony Wroten
2)Festus Ezeli
3)Jeffery Taylor
4)Terrence Ross
5)Moe Harkless
6)Andrew Nicholson
7)Evan Fournier
8)Jared Cunningham
9)Will Barton
10)Quincy Miller
11)Fab Melo

yea because youth and size is more important than skill and results against other top lottery picks ....

hello Yinka Dare,Freddrick Weis + Micheal olowakandi !

A convincing rebuttal. Pick couple of lottery big man busts.

Remember Celtics picks are late 1st round. They can take a shot at a big man if he never pans out. It doesn't make or break the team.

[CelticSooner]

I wouldn't mind Royce in green at all. Good passer, good rebounder, and would fit in the culture well.

royce was a beast in college but this doesnt seem to add up. is it just me or does danny love defensive players. it's always said that if you cant play defense youre sitting on docs bench.

his offense is superb, but everyone says he's not a very good defensive player, has trouble staying in front of his man.

http://swishscout.com/?page_id=8609

like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqam5NZNkMQ&feature=player_embedded

If you are looking at him more of a bench player like I am he's fine. I have no problems with Royce. Say no to another Giddens type pick.

[rondohondo]

Call me crazy but I'd rather have Harkless..

You are not crazy. Royce is overrated player. A stat padder in college. I can name 10 guys I'd rather have over White

10 players eh?  Since we're picking at 21, pretty good deal right?

10 players projected between 18-35

Festus Ezeli
Jeffery Taylor
Terrence Ross
Moe Harkless
Andrew Nicholson
Evan Fournier
Jared Cunningham
Will Barton
Quincy Miller
Fab Melo

Fab Melo and Eziel

Youth, and size. Whats not to like?

BTW forgot to include Tony Wroten my favorite of the bunch. Upgraded list

1)Tony Wroten
2)Festus Ezeli
3)Jeffery Taylor
4)Terrence Ross
5)Moe Harkless
6)Andrew Nicholson
7)Evan Fournier
8)Jared Cunningham
9)Will Barton
10)Quincy Miller
11)Fab Melo

yea because youth and size is more important than skill and results against other top lottery picks ....

hello Yinka Dare,Freddrick Weis + Micheal olowakandi !

A convincing rebuttal. Pick couple of lottery big man busts.

Remember Celtics picks are late 1st round. They can take a shot at a big man if he never pans out. It doesn't make or break the team.

he did it in multiple games against anthony Davis and Terrence Jones including in the NCAA Tournament.

[bucknersrevenge]

This does not make me happy and I'm hoping Ford is lying. I can't think of a guy that less fits what this team needs then Royce White. Nice kid. Honest in his interviews. I can appreciate that that but let's see...

No offensive post game whatsoever
Can't shoot to save his life
Can't hit FTs
Defensively has no IQ or agility to move his feet and rotate on defense

But he can pass which is good since we don't have any good ballhandlers on our team

...wait a minute.

[Yogi]

He was 21 and led his team in 5 statistical categories including rebounding, steals and blocks.  He's also powerful, athletic, has 7ft wingspan with the biggest hands in the draft.  I'm sure he'll be a great defender in the NBA.

[mloyko]

Call me crazy but I'd rather have Harkless..

You are not crazy. Royce is overrated player. A stat padder in college. I can name 10 guys I'd rather have over White

10 players eh?  Since we're picking at 21, pretty good deal right?

10 players projected between 18-35

Festus Ezeli
Jeffery Taylor
Terrence Ross
Moe Harkless
Andrew Nicholson
Evan Fournier
Jared Cunningham
Will Barton
Quincy Miller
Fab Melo

Fab Melo and Eziel

Youth, and size. Whats not to like?

BTW forgot to include Tony Wroten my favorite of the bunch. Upgraded list

1)Tony Wroten
2)Festus Ezeli
3)Jeffery Taylor
4)Terrence Ross
5)Moe Harkless
6)Andrew Nicholson
7)Evan Fournier
8)Jared Cunningham
9)Will Barton
10)Quincy Miller
11)Fab Melo

Wroten is a worse shooter than Rondo was when he came out. Thats all we need another Guard who struggles to make jump shots. He's a great passer but his shot is just awful.

[Evantime34]

I wouldn't be shocked if Chad Ford was correct in that the Celtcs told Whte that. However, I get the sense that Danny won't feel obligated to this agreement if better players slip.

[arambone]

"Wroten is a worse shooter than Rondo was when he came out."

And how did that work out for the Celtics? Did Rondo make an impact?

Drafting White definitely means no Wroten, because their games and stats are pretty similar, even at totally different positions.

They are both good scorers around the basket, good handles, good rebounders, and good passers with high turnovers.

Both top 12 talents in this draft, but either one of them with Rondo is enough.

I see this rumored promise as good news if true. Either White checked out psychologically, and will be able to capitalize on his top 10 talent, or he will be drafted top 20, and push another good player down to the Celtics.

The Celtics need rebounding, toughness, and shot creation. White will be a beast against the skinny thoroughbred PFs in the league.

[LooseCannon]

I hate the thought of Danny making a promise in this draft.  What's the upside?  That he doesn't work out for the handful of teams picking after us?  And the downside is that we would miss out on any highly-ranked players who fell to us?

Actually, I think the idea of a promise is to get him to not work out for the handful of teams picking before the Celtics.  Maybe also to discourage the teams picking just after the Celtics from trading to move up and grab him.

White is a player who could go in the teens or could fall into the second round, depending on who you talk to.  With that level of uncertainty, a player like White would probably be happy to lock up being drafted at 21-22.  If you love White and are certain that he will get someone to take him around 15-18, then you should make him a promise if he doesn't work out with other teams.

It's basically the same premise as giving a young player a long-term contract at a discount earlier in his career vs waiting to see how he pans out and possibly having to pay him a much larger contract in the future.  Basically, it is gambling on your ability to assess talent.

So, the upside is that, if you're right, you get a player worthy of being picked 15th at the 21 spot, but you risk missing out on a player who falls in the draft but is worth of being picked 12th.