Getting Charlotte's #2 pick??

[LarBrd33]

Can't see them trading it for anyone other than Rondo.

This falls under the "big picture" concept.  You only trade Rondo for a superstar.  But, you consider trading Rondo if it's part of a "big picture" grand plan.  

In other words... if ainge absolutely covets someone at #2, trading Rondo for the #2 pick would free up an additional 6 million dollars in cap space... which might come in handy if they plan on going after Deron Williams while retaining KG, Jeff Green and Ray Allen.

[esel1000]

Can't see them trading it for anyone other than Rondo.

This falls under the "big picture" concept.  You only trade Rondo for a superstar.  But, you consider trading Rondo if it's part of a "big picture" grand plan.  

In other words... if ainge absolutely covets someone at #2, trading Rondo for the #2 pick would free up an additional 6 million dollars in cap space... which might come in handy if they plan on going after Deron Williams while retaining KG, Jeff Green and Ray Allen.

I can understand that point of view but I'd still have a bad feeling, every pick is unproven.. I mean Kwame Brown was a #1 pick haha... Also, Deron Williams would never come to Boston with that supporting cast..

We're set at pg, unless we're getting a guy like D12 for Rondo and all of our picks or something I don't see the point in messing with a position we're good with when so many others are question marks

[minijericho29]

Iwouldnt trade Rondo for no one right now except for LeBron or Durant, lol. Rondo almost got us to the finals by his self. Had a great playoff run

You need to lay off the green kool-aid, my friend.  If Rondo played any defense whatsoever, we'd be in the finals!

[LarBrd33]

Can't see them trading it for anyone other than Rondo.

This falls under the "big picture" concept.  You only trade Rondo for a superstar.  But, you consider trading Rondo if it's part of a "big picture" grand plan. 

In other words... if ainge absolutely covets someone at #2, trading Rondo for the #2 pick would free up an additional 6 million dollars in cap space... which might come in handy if they plan on going after Deron Williams while retaining KG, Jeff Green and Ray Allen.

I can understand that point of view but I'd still have a bad feeling, every pick is unproven.. I mean Kwame Brown was a #1 pick haha... Also, Deron Williams would never come to Boston with that supporting cast..

We're set at pg, unless we're getting a guy like D12 for Rondo and all of our picks or something I don't see the point in messing with a position we're good with when so many others are question marks

Yes... AInge would have to be EXTREMELY confident in the prospect to make that deal.  You know back in 2005, we were coming off a 45 win playoff year.  Paul Pierce was 27 years old and in his prime.   During the offseason, Ainge traded Paul Pierce (made 12.5 mil that year) to the Portland Trailblazers for Nick Van Exel (made 12 mil so the salaries matched, but he had a weird contract... I think it was a team option... so that they could immediately waive him and it would essentially be an instantly expiring contract) and the #3 pick.   Ainge supposed was ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE with a particular player in the draft that he thought could be a major star and he wanted to use that 3rd pick to take him.   That player was Chris Paul (who ended up going 4th instead).  The deal apparently was agreed to by both teams, but Paul Pierce refused to report to Portland and the whole thing fell apart.  So yes... we would have been getting Chris Paul and freeing up Pierce's 12 million from our books.   

That's your precedent right there.  Prior to the 2005 draft, I'm certain that the majority of Celtic fans would have flipped their lid at trading Pierce for the #3 pick.  But in retrospect, we know that Ainge was infatuated with Chris Paul and in actuality the deal probably would have worked out fine for us.  Trading Rondo for the #2 pick sounds stupid right now... but I trust Ainge's instincts on this one.  If he's secretly obsessed with a prospect on the level he was obsessed with Chris Paul... and he has a master plan on using the additional 6 million we would free by making the trade... maybe it's a trade that makes sense.  I trust Danny here.  FYI for anyone skimming this thread:  There is no rumor that Ainge is considering trading Rondo for the #2 pick or that he covets someone in this draft.  I'm just saying that IN GENERAL, trading Rondo for the #2 could theoretically make sense if Ainge had a master plan.

[Celtics4ever]

I thought it was Ray's D that cost us the finals not Rondo.  I don't know how many missed assignments I saw in game seven but Ray simply could not get over to cut off the lane.

[mctyson]

Word is that Charlotte is shopping the 2nd overall pick. They want multiple picks and a player. And by the way that team is, they are better off trading that #2 pick and getting more picks and players. Be hard to get a free agent to go there. Anyway, U know Danny may make a phone call. Probably do a sign and trade with Jeff Green or Brandon Bass AND #21 and #22 pick would do it. Lets say the Celtics get the #2 pick, who would u draft...
Andre Drummond?
Thomas Robinson?
Bradley Beal?
MKG?
or someone else?

You cannot be serious with that trade idea.

[mctyson]

Can't see them trading it for anyone other than Rondo.

This falls under the "big picture" concept.  You only trade Rondo for a superstar.  But, you consider trading Rondo if it's part of a "big picture" grand plan. 

In other words... if ainge absolutely covets someone at #2, trading Rondo for the #2 pick would free up an additional 6 million dollars in cap space... which might come in handy if they plan on going after Deron Williams while retaining KG, Jeff Green and Ray Allen.

I can understand that point of view but I'd still have a bad feeling, every pick is unproven.. I mean Kwame Brown was a #1 pick haha... Also, Deron Williams would never come to Boston with that supporting cast..

We're set at pg, unless we're getting a guy like D12 for Rondo and all of our picks or something I don't see the point in messing with a position we're good with when so many others are question marks

Yes... AInge would have to be EXTREMELY confident in the prospect to make that deal.  You know back in 2005, we were coming off a 45 win playoff year.  Paul Pierce was 27 years old and in his prime.   During the offseason, Ainge traded Paul Pierce (made 12.5 mil that year) to the Portland Trailblazers for Nick Van Exel (made 12 mil so the salaries matched, but he had a weird contract... I think it was a team option... so that they could immediately waive him and it would essentially be an instantly expiring contract) and the #3 pick.   Ainge supposed was ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE with a particular player in the draft that he thought could be a major star and he wanted to use that 3rd pick to take him.   That player was Chris Paul (who ended up going 4th instead).  The deal apparently was agreed to by both teams, but Paul Pierce refused to report to Portland and the whole thing fell apart.  So yes... we would have been getting Chris Paul and freeing up Pierce's 12 million from our books.   

That's your precedent right there.  Prior to the 2005 draft, I'm certain that the majority of Celtic fans would have flipped their lid at trading Pierce for the #3 pick.  But in retrospect, we know that Ainge was infatuated with Chris Paul and in actuality the deal probably would have worked out fine for us.  Trading Rondo for the #2 pick sounds stupid right now... but I trust Ainge's instincts on this one.  If he's secretly obsessed with a prospect on the level he was obsessed with Chris Paul... and he has a master plan on using the additional 6 million we would free by making the trade... maybe it's a trade that makes sense.  I trust Danny here.  FYI for anyone skimming this thread:  There is no rumor that Ainge is considering trading Rondo for the #2 pick or that he covets someone in this draft.  I'm just saying that IN GENERAL, trading Rondo for the #2 could theoretically make sense if Ainge had a master plan.

There is no Chris Paul in this draft.  Anthony Davis is the only thing approaching a lock to be a perennial All Star.

[EDWARDO]

Word is that Charlotte is shopping the 2nd overall pick. They want multiple picks and a player. And by the way that team is, they are better off trading that #2 pick and getting more picks and players. Be hard to get a free agent to go there. Anyway, U know Danny may make a phone call. Probably do a sign and trade with Jeff Green or Brandon Bass AND #21 and #22 pick would do it. Lets say the Celtics get the #2 pick, who would u draft...
Andre Drummond?
Thomas Robinson?
Bradley Beal?
MKG?
or someone else?

You cannot be serious with that trade idea.

John McEnroe?! Is that you!?!

[LarBrd33]

Can't see them trading it for anyone other than Rondo.

This falls under the "big picture" concept.  You only trade Rondo for a superstar.  But, you consider trading Rondo if it's part of a "big picture" grand plan. 

In other words... if ainge absolutely covets someone at #2, trading Rondo for the #2 pick would free up an additional 6 million dollars in cap space... which might come in handy if they plan on going after Deron Williams while retaining KG, Jeff Green and Ray Allen.

I can understand that point of view but I'd still have a bad feeling, every pick is unproven.. I mean Kwame Brown was a #1 pick haha... Also, Deron Williams would never come to Boston with that supporting cast..

We're set at pg, unless we're getting a guy like D12 for Rondo and all of our picks or something I don't see the point in messing with a position we're good with when so many others are question marks

Yes... AInge would have to be EXTREMELY confident in the prospect to make that deal.  You know back in 2005, we were coming off a 45 win playoff year.  Paul Pierce was 27 years old and in his prime.   During the offseason, Ainge traded Paul Pierce (made 12.5 mil that year) to the Portland Trailblazers for Nick Van Exel (made 12 mil so the salaries matched, but he had a weird contract... I think it was a team option... so that they could immediately waive him and it would essentially be an instantly expiring contract) and the #3 pick.   Ainge supposed was ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE with a particular player in the draft that he thought could be a major star and he wanted to use that 3rd pick to take him.   That player was Chris Paul (who ended up going 4th instead).  The deal apparently was agreed to by both teams, but Paul Pierce refused to report to Portland and the whole thing fell apart.  So yes... we would have been getting Chris Paul and freeing up Pierce's 12 million from our books.   

That's your precedent right there.  Prior to the 2005 draft, I'm certain that the majority of Celtic fans would have flipped their lid at trading Pierce for the #3 pick.  But in retrospect, we know that Ainge was infatuated with Chris Paul and in actuality the deal probably would have worked out fine for us.  Trading Rondo for the #2 pick sounds stupid right now... but I trust Ainge's instincts on this one.  If he's secretly obsessed with a prospect on the level he was obsessed with Chris Paul... and he has a master plan on using the additional 6 million we would free by making the trade... maybe it's a trade that makes sense.  I trust Danny here.  FYI for anyone skimming this thread:  There is no rumor that Ainge is considering trading Rondo for the #2 pick or that he covets someone in this draft.  I'm just saying that IN GENERAL, trading Rondo for the #2 could theoretically make sense if Ainge had a master plan.

There is no Chris Paul in this draft.  Anthony Davis is the only thing approaching a lock to be a perennial All Star.

Yeah, but you're missing my point... in 2005 clearly there was no consensus "Chris Paul" in the draft either... otherwise he wouldn't have been picked 4th behind Andrew Bogut, Marvin Williams and Deron WIlliams and Ainge wouldn't have felt confident that he'd be available with the 3rd pick.  The world didn't know that Chris Paul would end up having one of the greatest rookie seasons ever and go on to be the best point guard alive... until after the fact.  You follow me?  If you were looking at that talent pool prior to 2005 you'd probably say, "Don't trade Pierce for the #3 pick... there is LeBron or Yao in it".   I'm not saying that this year there is a "Chris Paul" talent lurking in the top 5 picks... I'm merely saying that Ainge supposedly was obsessed with Chris Paul and spotted the gem before it was common knowledge...  if Ainge covets someone in this draft too, maybe trading for the pick would make sense.  You aren't going to know whether it was a good move until after the fact.  I agree with you that from where I stand (I don't even follow college basketball), it seems unlikely that a guy like Andre Drummond, Michael Kidd-Gilcrest or Thomas Robinson is going to end up a superstar... but it's not something I'd feel comfortable wagering money on.  That's not my field of expertise.  I do feel pretty confident that Ainge knows what's what, though.

[gpap]

I doubt the Bobcats give up the 2 pick for anything on our roster. From what I hear, Andre Drummond (projected) is going to be a beast! If the Celtics could somehow land him, that would be great, but I don't see it happening.

[raynman]

I think the title of this post should be...
"How dumb of a GM do you think Michael Jordan is?"
 

[LarBrd33]

I doubt the Bobcats give up the 2 pick for anything on our roster. From what I hear, Andre Drummond (projected) is going to be a beast! If the Celtics could somehow land him, that would be great, but I don't see it happening.

I don't follow College ball, but I've read a bit and watched some videos of Drummond.  He looks like a total beast.  Freakish athleticism and size.  He's 18 years old but already completely ripped.  7 feet 280 with a 7'6 reach and explosive as heck.   I've heard him called a bigger Amare Stoudamire... but he also seems to have great timing on his blocks.  I actually listened to a podcast with Chad Ford where he acknowledged that Drummond is a gamble, but that he got the same feeling and saw the same positives when he first watched Dwight Howard work out.  I've also seen people say Drummond could be the next Andrew Bynum.  Who knows...  The main thing is that he seems to be very raw right now and sometimes lacks focus.  You gotta think that having Kevin Garnett as a mentor would be a best-case-scenario for that kid...  And I know it doesn't make sense (since we'd probably have to give up Rondo to get him), but playing with a passer like Rondo could allow that kid to flourish.  He is quick, powerful and supposedly has great hands.  I'm sure pairing him with a great point guard would be nice.

Fun to think about.  Isn't gonna happen.  Maybe he'll end up a bust anyways.  

Independent of all of this "#2 pick" nonsense, I just want to say that I hope the Celtics somehow manage to come out of this draft with an athletic big man with real size.  I'm not talking about another 6'8 power forward like Bass or Big baby... I mean a dude 6'10 or bigger who is mobile and athletic.  Then, I want KG to come back and mentor the heck out of the kid.  I really don't think Rondo would have ended up being Rondo had it not been for mentors like Sam Cassell, Danny Ainge, Doc Rivers, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, etc.   We have yet to have a legit "big man prospect" for Kevin Garnett to mold into his apprentice.  If there is a raw beast like Drummond available in the 20s (or 10-15 if we can package picks)... that's my only hope from the draft.  Worst-case scenario... just sign Greg Oden when he can walk again.

[2short]

Iwouldnt trade Rondo for no one right now except for LeBron or Durant, lol. Rondo almost got us to the finals by his self. Had a great playoff run

You need to lay off the green kool-aid, my friend.  If Rondo played any defense whatsoever, we'd be in the finals!

sorry but you don't get named to nba all defensive team by not playing any defense

[pearljammer10]

I want a young with at leeast a few years experience under his belt. Doc wont play rookies and they wont contribute in year one anyway. Why trade our valuable young veterans for someone who'll ride the pine for three years.

[minijericho29]

Iwouldnt trade Rondo for no one right now except for LeBron or Durant, lol. Rondo almost got us to the finals by his self. Had a great playoff run

You need to lay off the green kool-aid, my friend.  If Rondo played any defense whatsoever, we'd be in the finals!

sorry but you don't get named to nba all defensive team by not playing any defense

Chalmers, Holiday, and Teague all averaged more points per game in the playoffs against the Celtics than they did in the regular season.  Who was guarding them?  RONDO!

Do you not understand how rigged the NBA awards are?  If you think Rondo is a top defender, you are either overwhelmingly engulfed in your own homeristic attitude towards the C's, you are have bad eyesight, or you just don't understand the game.  Rondo isn't even close to being a top defender on his own team.  KG, Bradley, Dooling, and Pietrus all played much better defense in the playoffs.  He's lazy.  He takes plays off.  And his worst offense is when he challenges at the three point line pre-dribble, let's  his guy go by him, and then goes for the swipe form behind.  It works 10% of the time.  The other 90%, it's a 5 on 4 play.