Draft Combine Athletic Testing results

[sofutomygaha]

- Pretty much, yeah... and that's why I don't really want him.  We don't really need more than one Rondo, unless David Stern decides that the game should be played with two basketballs.  

That's a really good point, and it takes some wind out of my sails. Royce White has that runaway train combination of speed and power... I want to have that guy on my team, maybe because I just saw the Heat kill us with it. You're absolutely right, though, he doesn't fit in the same starting 5 with Rondo. How on earth would you space the floor? Plus, how toxic would it be if your two highest usage players were both 50-60% free throw shooters.

Ugh.  

[Snakehead]

- Pretty much, yeah... and that's why I don't really want him.  We don't really need more than one Rondo, unless David Stern decides that the game should be played with two basketballs. 

That's a really good point, and it takes some wind out of my sails. Royce White has that runaway train combination of speed and power... I want to have that guy on my team, maybe because I just saw the Heat kill us with it. You're absolutely right, though, he doesn't fit in the same starting 5 with Rondo. How on earth would you space the floor? Plus, how toxic would it be if your two highest usage players were both 50-60% free throw shooters.

Ugh. 

Spacing the floor isn't too much of a worry to me there because you just have another big who can shoot (ala KG) and White is an exceptional passer for his position so that works well.  And while he should be good in the open floor, the thing I expect him to do best is board, he has the frame and the knack for it.  Remember that our best offensive lineup in the big three era had KG and Shaq downlow and I'm not saying White can score like Shaq, he's similarly a bad FT shooter, but a good passer and presence downlow.  Didn't kill us then and I don't see why it would now.

The FT shooting... it's certainly an issue.  However, wouldn't expect him to come on and be our number two usage guy all the sudden.  His coach made him play point forward and he will use that passing ability in the NBA but he's not going to be dominating the ball like he did last year in college.  Remember we once had Perk and Rondo on the floor together, both poor FT shooters, and Shaq as well.

So that shouldn't be the reason you pass on White IMO.  I think he's very worth the risks at our place in the draft.

[arambone]

Tony Wroten is tough as nails and loves contact.

His father was in the NFL as a TE for ****.

He weighed in at the Combine at 206, so he didn't gain a pound since last year.

I don't think He or Nicholson spent much time at all in the weight room.

Shaq never lifted in college.

Get Wroten and Nicholson in the weight room and they will see significant strength gains.

Wroten could never lift weights and still be a strong, tough player in the NBA.

In one game against Oregon, Oregon tried to run a pick and roll against the defending Wroten. When the guy set the pick on Wroten, Wroten shoulder slammed the guy right into the guy with the ball. The ball came lose, Wroten grabbed it, and went the other way for the dunk or layup. That was awesome.

I read where Royce White benched 185 pounds 27 times. Not sure if true.

[kozlodoev]

In one game against Oregon, Oregon tried to run a pick and roll against the defending Wroten. When the guy set the pick on Wroten, Wroten shoulder slammed the guy right into the guy with the ball. The ball came lose, Wroten grabbed it, and went the other way for the dunk or layup. That was awesome.

Shoulder-slamming people is also probably a foul.

[clover]

Quincy Miller with a 36" vert is pretty good for a guy who's knee health has been questioned.

Same max vert reach as Ezeli and Melo as well.

At 220 pounds already at age 19, I'd say he's got great potential as an offensive minded stretch 4, with versatility at the 3.

He's got some Pierce to his game, and his handle would be a mismatch for most PFs defending him in the high post or perimeter.

Miller's agility time, at 11.05, was also pretty good for a guy coming off ACL surgery.  I like DraftExpress's best case scenario for him: a poor man's Kevin Durant.

[mqtcelticsfan]

Poor Jeff Taylor and his tiny arms. He'd be the perfect athlete if his arms weren't so short.

[Celtic#9]

Impressed by Machado's 17 bench presses. I like him as possible undrafted training camp invite or who knows maybe even with our 51, if no bigs are available of course. Another real pass first point guard who is capable of giving Rondo some rest.

[Celtics4ever]

Drummond impressed me more than anyone that size and height with that vertical jump.   He will be a top five pick but man does he sound like a beast.

[Galeto]

How the heck does Barnes have such a short standing reach while measuring out at 6'7 in barefeet with a 6'11.25 wingspan.  Going through the draftexpress measurement database, guys with similar height and wingspan have standing reaches in the 8'8 to 9 feet range.  Barnes does have a long neck and oblong head but it's not so freakish that his standing reach should be 2.5 to 5 inches shorter than similarly proportioned peers. 

If Barnes tanked his standing reach, although I can't see how he managed to get away with so much, that really helps his vertical measurements.  For instance, Josh Smith measured out very smilarly to Harrison: 6'7, 7 wingspan, but his standing reach was 9 feet.  With that big standing reach, the 11'7 he reached in a standing jump put his standing vertical at 32.5 inches.  Barnes also touched 11'7 but that put his standing reach at a very impressive 38 inches.  It doesn't pass the smell test.

[mctyson]

Either way we need a tall guy that can sky.

I disagree. We need a tall guy who has skills. Ryan Hollins is a good example of a tall guy who can sky but is still next to worthless.

Touché.  We need a tall guy who can sky, has a brain, and has skills.

[Brett Szabo]

Impressed by Machado's 17 bench presses. I like him as possible undrafted training camp invite or who knows maybe even with our 51, if no bigs are available of course. Another real pass first point guard who is capable of giving Rondo some rest.

What the weight on the bench press? 135lbs?

[sofutomygaha]

Impressed by Machado's 17 bench presses. I like him as possible undrafted training camp invite or who knows maybe even with our 51, if no bigs are available of course. Another real pass first point guard who is capable of giving Rondo some rest.

What the weight on the bench press? 135lbs?

You're wondering if you can beat it, right? =)

[arambone]

185 lb bench press. NFL Combine does 225 lb bench press, I believe.


"Touché.  We need a tall guy who can sky, has a brain, and has skills."

I'll gladly settle for two out of three.

[oldmanspeaks]

Actually I have always thought Plumlee was something special. However he continually deferred to everyone for reasons that escaped me. When he did make an offensive move he seemed to be force because of his athletic ability. I have always wondered if he got caught up in the "team" thing which sometimes happens to guys in winning program. They get too rigid in their movements and don't focus enough on the possibilities as they present themselves. I have seen it happen to other talented players who try too hard to be exact.  To me this guy is a wildcard because he is going in the 2nd round but could develop into a significant player. Unfortunately he will go before the Celtics pick in the second round.

[LooseCannon]

Has anyone done a study on the relative performance of players who rise or fall significantly in mock drafts due to combine performance?