Perk trade still haunting the Celtics?

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It was terrible trade.

I think trade wasn't financial as many seem to assume. Perk had the misfortune playing alongside Point guard who couldn't score. Floor spacing was an issue then, and it remains an issue now. To circumvent that Ainge coveted shooters to keep floor spaced. The tradeoff was Danny Ainge got the shooters he wanted, but the belly of our defense got softer. Celtics lost their enforcer and a locker-room leader.

[JohnBagleyValueMeal]

Kg was moved to Center. And he always played Center unless Hollins was in for 5 minutes. What you're gonna play Perk 8 mill to be a backup?

Considering we paid 6 mill for JO to not play at all, I think I'd take that deal, sure.

The real killer though, is losing out on Tony Allen for no good reason. Even if you believe he needed a change of scenery to take his game up a notch, the Celts still should have kept him for the player he already was. He has made 2 consecutive All-NBA defensive teams, was just the DPOY, and all he wanted was 3m/3yrs. They paid Chris Wilcox 3m this year!

I dunno if Danny makes the trade for Jeff Green if he would have held on to TA. Interesting question, really.

[mctyson]

Perkins isn't as good as he was 2 years ago. He is also overpaid.

Yes the Celtics miss him, but they also missed Posey when he left. And Posey also declined and became overpaid.

Tony Allen was the one that got away.

I'd like to remind everyone that we had the best record in the NBA after the All Star break.  We clearly didn't miss Perkins...we just needed to have a legitimate Center.  And we had (arguably) the best one in the NBA.

[wdleehi]

Perkins isn't as good as he was 2 years ago. He is also overpaid.

Yes the Celtics miss him, but they also missed Posey when he left. And Posey also declined and became overpaid.

Tony Allen was the one that got away.

I'd like to remind everyone that we had the best record in the NBA after the All Star break.  We clearly didn't miss Perkins...we just needed to have a legitimate Center.  And we had (arguably) the best one in the NBA.

The Celtics needed another big man that could enforce the paint for when KG went out.

Would it have been Perkins this season, probably not.


But would the Celtics have gotten more for him to help this season if they had waited and done a sign and trade during the summer, yes. 

[mctyson]

Perkins isn't as good as he was 2 years ago. He is also overpaid.

Yes the Celtics miss him, but they also missed Posey when he left. And Posey also declined and became overpaid.

Tony Allen was the one that got away.

I'd like to remind everyone that we had the best record in the NBA after the All Star break.  We clearly didn't miss Perkins...we just needed to have a legitimate Center.  And we had (arguably) the best one in the NBA.

The Celtics needed another big man that could enforce the paint for when KG went out.

Would it have been Perkins this season, probably not.


But would the Celtics have gotten more for him to help this season if they had waited and done a sign and trade during the summer, yes. 

I have mentioned this before...we had a lockout this year.  Danny didn't even know if there was going to be a season.  There were plenty of scenarios where the new CBA wasn't going to even allow for sign-and-trades.  That forced Danny's hand.

I actually think that Danny would have done the sign-and-trade after the 2011 season if we were going into a normal off season (though Perk's production fell off a cliff in 2011, so it wasn't like he was earning his keep.)  There was too much uncertainty about how the new CBA would look, so he did what he could at the time, and I think we made out pretty well.

[wdleehi]

Perkins isn't as good as he was 2 years ago. He is also overpaid.

Yes the Celtics miss him, but they also missed Posey when he left. And Posey also declined and became overpaid.

Tony Allen was the one that got away.

I'd like to remind everyone that we had the best record in the NBA after the All Star break.  We clearly didn't miss Perkins...we just needed to have a legitimate Center.  And we had (arguably) the best one in the NBA.

The Celtics needed another big man that could enforce the paint for when KG went out.

Would it have been Perkins this season, probably not.


But would the Celtics have gotten more for him to help this season if they had waited and done a sign and trade during the summer, yes. 

I have mentioned this before...we had a lockout this year.  Danny didn't even know if there was going to be a season.  There were plenty of scenarios where the new CBA wasn't going to even allow for sign-and-trades.  That forced Danny's hand.

I actually think that Danny would have done the sign-and-trade after the 2011 season if we were going into a normal off season (though Perk's production fell off a cliff in 2011, so it wasn't like he was earning his keep.)  There was too much uncertainty about how the new CBA would look, so he did what he could at the time, and I think we made out pretty well.

The starting C on a Finals team for a pick in the 20s. 


How is that a good return?  How did that help this team in the playoffs this year?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Nope I say no.

While Perk is having a bit more success, we were good without him. We just ran out of gas.

[BballTim]

It was terrible trade.

I think trade wasn't financial as many seem to assume. Perk had the misfortune playing alongside Point guard who couldn't score. Floor spacing was an issue then, and it remains an issue now. To circumvent that Ainge coveted shooters to keep floor spaced. The tradeoff was Danny Ainge got the shooters he wanted, but the belly of our defense got softer. Celtics lost their enforcer and a locker-room leader.

  Danny wanted to play Shaq instead of Perk, and the team with Shaq was playing the best offense they'd been playing in quite a while. It wasn't at all because of floor spacing. It had more to do with Daniels getting hurt so we had no backup to PP on the roster.

[chambers]

It was terrible trade.

I think trade wasn't financial as many seem to assume. Perk had the misfortune playing alongside Point guard who couldn't score. Floor spacing was an issue then, and it remains an issue now. To circumvent that Ainge coveted shooters to keep floor spaced. The tradeoff was Danny Ainge got the shooters he wanted, but the belly of our defense got softer. Celtics lost their enforcer and a locker-room leader.

This team with Jeff Green and Krstic would have been pretty formidable this year, plus we got a first round pick.
Perkins wouldn't even be around next year because he'd be getting overpriced offers that we'd never pay him anyway.
We made out like bandits if you ask me.
Typical Celtics bad luck struck and we lost Krstic and Green in the same season but we still ended up with the better end of the stick.
OKC will be kicking themselves for paying Perkins so much now.

[wdleehi]

It was terrible trade.

I think trade wasn't financial as many seem to assume. Perk had the misfortune playing alongside Point guard who couldn't score. Floor spacing was an issue then, and it remains an issue now. To circumvent that Ainge coveted shooters to keep floor spaced. The tradeoff was Danny Ainge got the shooters he wanted, but the belly of our defense got softer. Celtics lost their enforcer and a locker-room leader.

This team with Jeff Green and Krstic would have been pretty formidable this year, plus we got a first round pick.
Perkins wouldn't even be around next year because he'd be getting overpriced offers that we'd never pay him anyway.
We made out like bandits if you ask me.
Typical Celtics bad luck struck and we lost Krstic and Green in the same season but we still ended up with the better end of the stick.
OKC will be kicking themselves for paying Perkins so much now.

Yes.  Do you see how disappointed they are with their team right now?

[pearljammer10]

Kg was moved to Center. And he always played Center unless Hollins was in for 5 minutes. What you're gonna play Perk 8 mill to be a backup?

No im going to keep the lineup that we never lost a playoff series with the exact same as it was, and still not loose a playoff series with it.

[chambers]

It was terrible trade.

I think trade wasn't financial as many seem to assume. Perk had the misfortune playing alongside Point guard who couldn't score. Floor spacing was an issue then, and it remains an issue now. To circumvent that Ainge coveted shooters to keep floor spaced. The tradeoff was Danny Ainge got the shooters he wanted, but the belly of our defense got softer. Celtics lost their enforcer and a locker-room leader.

This team with Jeff Green and Krstic would have been pretty formidable this year, plus we got a first round pick.
Perkins wouldn't even be around next year because he'd be getting overpriced offers that we'd never pay him anyway.
We made out like bandits if you ask me.
Typical Celtics bad luck struck and we lost Krstic and Green in the same season but we still ended up with the better end of the stick.
OKC will be kicking themselves for paying Perkins so much now.

Yes.  Do you see how disappointed they are with their team right now?

Actually although they love their team right now the one problem they have is not having a big man that can score in the paint which is the only thing that can really stop them from beating the Heat, even if they are large favorites. Perkins is a role player being paid 8-9 million next year- this is probably the single biggest issue for OKC fans and their management.
They won't love it when each player asks to get his fair share of pay come contract renewal time. Someone most likely has to go. Who is going out of Perk, Ibaka and Harden?

[wdleehi]

It was terrible trade.

I think trade wasn't financial as many seem to assume. Perk had the misfortune playing alongside Point guard who couldn't score. Floor spacing was an issue then, and it remains an issue now. To circumvent that Ainge coveted shooters to keep floor spaced. The tradeoff was Danny Ainge got the shooters he wanted, but the belly of our defense got softer. Celtics lost their enforcer and a locker-room leader.

This team with Jeff Green and Krstic would have been pretty formidable this year, plus we got a first round pick.
Perkins wouldn't even be around next year because he'd be getting overpriced offers that we'd never pay him anyway.
We made out like bandits if you ask me.
Typical Celtics bad luck struck and we lost Krstic and Green in the same season but we still ended up with the better end of the stick.
OKC will be kicking themselves for paying Perkins so much now.

Yes.  Do you see how disappointed they are with their team right now?

Actually although they love their team right now the one problem they have is not having a big man that can score in the paint which is the only thing that can really stop them from beating the Heat, even if they are large favorites. Perkins is a role player being paid 8-9 million next year- this is probably the single biggest issue for OKC fans and their management.
They won't love it when each player asks to get his fair share of pay come contract renewal time. Someone most likely has to go. Who is going out of Perk, Ibaka and Harden?

You think they traded and resigned Perkins to get a low post offensive threat?

[Celts Fan 92]

celtics blog still overrating big perk? lol we was 1 game from da finals not a lottery team all i kno is i woulda been heated if Ainge paid him 4 years $36 mil like OKC did

[wdleehi]

celtics blog still overrating big perk? lol we was 1 game from da playoffs not a lottery team all i kno is i woulda been heated if Ainge paid him 4 years $36 mil like OKC did

They got that far having nothing on the floor to show from that trade.


Imagine if they actually had something to put on the floor because of that trade that could help them.