Getting the 10th pick and Ariza from NO?

[colincb]

Anybody willing to look up this season's respectable, ideal free agents?

If the talent pool is poor, then I would be all for taking Okafor or Ariza's contract.

Why would you be up to take bad contracts?

[colincb]

i dont want the bum either but if it gets us the number 10 pick and we could keep KG I would. Plus we would have the clown for 1 year. We renting a player for 1 year and getting a high 1st round pick out of it.

Ariza's got two years left and you're getting a 10th pick,  not a high pick, and you're going to lose Allen, Bass, Dooling, Pietrus, and the MLE if you renounce every one.  It's not the end of the bench, as the vet-min contracts like Hollins are what you sign when you use up all your cap, but those guys with non-minimum contracts that you can no longer fit under the cap (unless you think you can low-ball KG, good luck on that).

This is a sucker's play.

[mqtcelticsfan]

The Celtics are not really the type of team that should be picking up bad contracts for a lower lottery pick. All that's going to do is make us an average team in the coming years. A younger team like the Wiz would make much more sense in this scenario.

[LooseCannon]

Again, I expect everyone to be renounced. Why keep a hold on a player when you will sign him for much less than that hold is for? It only hurts flexibility and simply isn't logical.

Assuming you want to sign him for more than the minimum without using an exception, then you keep the cap hold unless you plan on using cap space to acquire another player.

You don't renounce a player until you have a use for the cap space that would be freed up.  If the team renounced everyone, then ended up re-signing KG for $10m, Ray Allen for $5m, and Jeff Green for $5m with cap space, that would result in the team losing the mid-level exception and having the smaller "room" MLE to work with, whereas if the team didn't renounce those players and re-signed them, then the Celtics would have the full MLE (twice as big as the room MLE) to use in signing a free agent.

[BostonNative]

Well i figured if we get a top 10 pick and package them for a top 5 we can finally get a starter talent athlete. We wont ever get another chance at a top 10 pick again this may be our only shot in a few years.

Bobcats seem like the type that would take 3 picks but i prefer the Cavs

[cdiraimo]

Why is everyone talking about making trades with NO... the statement says there willing to give up the #10 if you take on either players salary.. Why wouldn't you take on Ariza's salary? 7.5 mil the next 2 seasons? The guy is a solid rotation player plays good D, athletic, and can run with Rondo. If this is for Okafor then absolutely not. But like I've been reading package the 10 and 21 for Portlands 6 for example. 

[Lucky17]

Why is everyone talking about making trades with NO... the statement says there willing to give up the #10 if you take on either players salary.. Why wouldn't you take on Ariza's salary? 7.5 mil the next 2 seasons? The guy is a solid rotation player plays good D, athletic, and can run with Rondo. If this is for Okafor then absolutely not. But like I've been reading package the 10 and 21 for Portlands 6 for example. 

I think colincb's post answers your question. The cost of acquiring the 10th pick in Ariza could potentially be quite high, in terms of roster depth.

Ariza would be quite expensive as a $7.5 million bench player. Both he and Pierce are strictly SFs. If you're amnestying Pierce, I doubt Garnett would be interested in coming back.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Ariza would be quite expensive as a $7.5 million bench player. Both he and Pierce are strictly SFs. If you're amnestying Pierce, I doubt Garnett would be interested in coming back.

I may be misremembering but didn't Ariza play primarily at the two his first season in Houston? Anyway, he's a player I like, and would take as a Green replacement should Jeff cost us more (neither is a good value at $7-$8 million per). But it just doesn't appear to work out given the Celtics' cap situation.

You're absolutely right that Toronto seems like a better match.

P.S. that should probably be its own thread, Any leads on what Jeff Green is expected to command on the open market?

[LooseCannon]

Ariza is a career 31.7% from three.  I'd argue the Celtics need a backup for Pierce who is better than that.  (For comparison, Jeff Green is at 33.7% for his career, which isn't that great either.)

[byennie]

i dont want the bum either but if it gets us the number 10 pick and we could keep KG I would. Plus we would have the clown for 1 year. We renting a player for 1 year and getting a high 1st round pick out of it.

Ariza's got two years left and you're getting a 10th pick,  not a high pick, and you're going to lose Allen, Bass, Dooling, Pietrus, and the MLE if you renounce every one.  It's not the end of the bench, as the vet-min contracts like Hollins are what you sign when you use up all your cap, but those guys with non-minimum contracts that you can no longer fit under the cap (unless you think you can low-ball KG, good luck on that).

This is a sucker's play.

Maybe, but check out this scenario. We get #10 + Ariza for say, JJJ + a future pick. We could spend all of our cap room on Ilyasova and Garnett and look like this:

Rondo
Bradley / Lamb (#10)
Pierce / Ariza / Harkless (#21)
Ilyasova / Royce White (#22)
Garnett / Steimsma

We can bring along Harkless and White slowly, and make Lamb the 6th man. We have 5 veteran starters, Ariza is our younger Pietrus replacement, Ilyasova is an upgrade over Bass.

[colincb]

i dont want the bum either but if it gets us the number 10 pick and we could keep KG I would. Plus we would have the clown for 1 year. We renting a player for 1 year and getting a high 1st round pick out of it.

Ariza's got two years left and you're getting a 10th pick,  not a high pick, and you're going to lose Allen, Bass, Dooling, Pietrus, and the MLE if you renounce every one.  It's not the end of the bench, as the vet-min contracts like Hollins are what you sign when you use up all your cap, but those guys with non-minimum contracts that you can no longer fit under the cap (unless you think you can low-ball KG, good luck on that).

This is a sucker's play.

Maybe, but check out this scenario. We get #10 + Ariza for say, JJJ + a future pick. We could spend all of our cap room on Ilyasova and Garnett and look like this:

Rondo
Bradley / Lamb (#10)
Pierce / Ariza / Harkless (#21)
Ilyasova / Royce White (#22)
Garnett / Steimsma

We can bring along Harkless and White slowly, and make Lamb the 6th man. We have 5 veteran starters, Ariza is our younger Pietrus replacement, Ilyasova is an upgrade over Bass.

6 vets, 5 unproven rookies/sophs, and some vet-min scrubs. Sounds like mediocrity which is the worst place to be.

[byennie]

Rondo
Bradley / Lamb (#10)
Pierce / Ariza / Harkless (#21)
Ilyasova / Royce White (#22)
Garnett / Steimsma

We can bring along Harkless and White slowly, and make Lamb the 6th man. We have 5 veteran starters, Ariza is our younger Pietrus replacement, Ilyasova is an upgrade over Bass.

6 vets, 5 unproven rookies/sophs, and some vet-min scrubs. Sounds like mediocrity which is the worst place to be.

If that team is mediocre, what on earth is our team right now in the ECF? That team is equal or better than this year's team, top to bottom:

Rondo = Rondo
Pierce = Pierce
Garnett = Garnett
Steimsma = Steimsma

Bradley > Allen
Ilyasova > Bass
Lamb > Dooling
Ariza > Pietrus
Harkless / White > JaJuan Johnson / Marquis Daniels

[Jason6]

thumbs down

[BostonNative]

I really think this is a no brainer and im surprised there are so many people saying no to this. The FA pool is stronger next year for bigs and that is when we need to dump big money for a FA not this year.

Ariza's contract ENDS IN 2013 so technically it will be  1 SEASON . okafor's contract is for 1 SEASON, only difference is that ariza   has a player options and okafor has an early termination ( if someone could explain that a little better to me that would be awesome.)

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents

That year if we can let go of one of them in the free agency we may have alot  of cap again if we can restructure PP deal and im sure he would be down for that to land dwight.

[bfrombleacher]

I really think this is a no brainer and im surprised there are so many people saying no to this. The FA pool is stronger next year for bigs and that is when we need to dump big money for a FA not this year.

Ariza's contract ENDS IN 2013 so technically it will be  1 SEASON . okafor's contract is for 1 SEASON, only difference is that ariza   has a player options and okafor has an early termination ( if someone could explain that a little better to me that would be awesome.)

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents

That year if we can let go of one of them in the free agency we may have alot  of cap again if we can restructure PP deal and im sure he would be down for that to land dwight.

Doesn't he have a player option? So it's one year more than we'd like. Not sure.