Getting the 10th pick and Ariza from NO?

[BostonNative]

Plus maybe we could offer up Bass and take on both of the contracts. Maybe it would be more entertaining to them.

[clover]

If that's NO's opening bid, what are the chances some team goes for it--or that NO settles for less?

[Lucky17]

If it's a draft night deal, it's got to involve Pierce or Rondo. There's no other way to make the salaries match up.

won't we have a bunch of cap space so we won't have to match salaries ?

That cap space doesn't arrive until July 1. Draft is June 28.

I'm fairly certain that you could agree to a deal in principle and execute it once our players are renounced. Which would mean the Hornets would be selecting for the C's and we would later acquire the rights to that said draft pick.

That is true. It's why I prefaced my comment with "if it's a draft night deal."

But, more importantly, why would the Celtics renounce free agents to bring in Ariza, if Pierce is also on the roster?

Because it's not about Ariza, it's about how much Ainge covets a top 10 selection in this draft. Ariza could replace Pietrus if he's not re-signed. I think the C's will renounce everyone just to clear the cap holds. Then they'll use the money they have under the cap to re-sign KG and probably Green. I think is we do this deal, then Allen is definitely a goner.

You'd have to renounce KG and Green to have enough cap space to absorb Ariza's deal, though. The two of them have combined cap holds of over $33 million.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

Even if you do manage to re-sign a renounced Garnett, you've still got Ariza and Pierce at SF. So do you amnesty Pierce? I don't see Garnett re-signing if there's no Pierce and no Allen.

[Eddie20]

Plus maybe we could offer up Bass and take on both of the contracts. Maybe it would be more entertaining to them.

No way! We wouldn't be able to re-sign KG. Don't want Okafor. The guy is owed about 28M the next 2 years and averages 10 pts and 8 reb.

[BostonNative]

i dont want the bum either but if it gets us the number 10 pick and we could keep KG I would. Plus we would have the clown for 1 year. We renting a player for 1 year and getting a high 1st round pick out of it.

[Eddie20]

If it's a draft night deal, it's got to involve Pierce or Rondo. There's no other way to make the salaries match up.

won't we have a bunch of cap space so we won't have to match salaries ?

That cap space doesn't arrive until July 1. Draft is June 28.

I'm fairly certain that you could agree to a deal in principle and execute it once our players are renounced. Which would mean the Hornets would be selecting for the C's and we would later acquire the rights to that said draft pick.

That is true. It's why I prefaced my comment with "if it's a draft night deal."

But, more importantly, why would the Celtics renounce free agents to bring in Ariza, if Pierce is also on the roster?

Because it's not about Ariza, it's about how much Ainge covets a top 10 selection in this draft. Ariza could replace Pietrus if he's not re-signed. I think the C's will renounce everyone just to clear the cap holds. Then they'll use the money they have under the cap to re-sign KG and probably Green. I think is we do this deal, then Allen is definitely a goner.

You'd have to renounce KG and Green to have enough cap space to absorb Ariza's deal, though. The two of them have combined cap holds of over $33 million.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

Shamsports needs an update:

In a move that was not made public, withdrew Green's qualifying offer in mid-December, right around the time he failed his physical and had his one-year, $9 million contract voided. The move means Green is now an unrestricted free agent. Had the offer not been withdrawn, and the Celtics were under no obligation whatsoever to do so, Green would have been a restricted free agent, with the Celtics able to match any offer he might get from another team.

Again, I expect everyone to be renounced. Why keep a hold on a player when you will sign him for much less than that hold is for? It only hurts flexibility and simply isn't logical.

[Eddie20]

i dont want the bum either but if it gets us the number 10 pick and we could keep KG I would. Plus we would have the clown for 1 year. We renting a player for 1 year and getting a high 1st round pick out of it.

Okafor's contract has 2 years left. 13.5M in 12-13 and 14.5M in 13-14. Okafor, Pierce, Rondo, and Ariza alone would have us at 48M. No money left for KG.

[Lucky17]

Green still has a cap hold. His QO being revoked makes him a free agent, and all free agents have cap holds of some form or another.

You don't have to resign a player to the full amount of his cap hold. Cap holds are intended to prevent teams from using both cap space and Bird Rights or other exceptions to sign other teams' free agents plus their own.

[Eddie20]

Green still has a cap hold. His QO being revoked makes him a free agent, and all free agents have cap holds of some form or another.

You don't have to resign a player to the full amount of his cap hold. Cap holds are intended to prevent teams from using both cap space and Bird Rights or other exceptions to sign other teams' free agents plus their own.

If Green's does have a cap hold then he will get renounced, as will KG and Allen.

I know the purposes of a cap hold. We will renounce those players in order to have flexibility to make moves this summer. There is simply no sense in keeping the hold on these players.

[Lucky17]

Green still has a cap hold. His QO being revoked makes him a free agent, and all free agents have cap holds of some form or another.

You don't have to resign a player to the full amount of his cap hold. Cap holds are intended to prevent teams from using both cap space and Bird Rights or other exceptions to sign other teams' free agents plus their own.

If Green's does have a cap hold then he will get renounced, as will KG and Allen.

I know the purposes of a cap hold. We will renounce those players in order to have flexibility to make moves this summer. There is simply no sense in keeping the hold on these players.

I guess I'm not clear about what moves to make. I'm firmly in the "bring the band back for another run" camp.

[Eddie20]

Green still has a cap hold. His QO being revoked makes him a free agent, and all free agents have cap holds of some form or another.

You don't have to resign a player to the full amount of his cap hold. Cap holds are intended to prevent teams from using both cap space and Bird Rights or other exceptions to sign other teams' free agents plus their own.

If Green's does have a cap hold then he will get renounced, as will KG and Allen.

I know the purposes of a cap hold. We will renounce those players in order to have flexibility to make moves this summer. There is simply no sense in keeping the hold on these players.

I guess I'm not clear about what moves to make. I'm firmly in the "bring the band back for another run" camp.

I have the same philosophy, but would be willing to sacrifice Allen to get Ariza and the #10. I would be happy going into next season with Ariza, Green, 3 1st Rd picks replacing Allen, Bass, and 3 end of the bench guys.

BTW...I'm not too confident on those cap holds. They still have us with cap holds on Grant Long and The Candyman

[Lucky17]

BTW...I'm not too confident on those cap holds. They still have us with cap holds on Grant Long and The Candyman

I'm guessing it's because they both finished their last contracts with Boston, but never filed official retirement papers with the league.

[syfy9]

Anybody willing to look up this season's respectable, ideal free agents?

If the talent pool is poor, then I would be all for taking Okafor or Ariza's contract.

[Lucky17]

Anybody willing to look up this season's respectable, ideal free agents?

If the talent pool is poor, then I would be all for taking Okafor or Ariza's contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-12-13

I think someone else had posted a comprehensive list somewhere around here.

[action781]

With Jeff Green being a restricted FA, do we still own any bird rights?

I'd love to offer S&T jeff green @ 8M + JJJ + 21st pick for Okafor + 10th pick? 

That still won't cut it salary wise, and we'd need Green to sign off on that.  But I'm curious, is it possible to S&T him with our bird rights without renouncing our FAs?