Amazing Stat, Rondo and PP shoot zero FT's in game 1, Wade + Lebron 2 fouls

[FLCeltsFan]

Not mentioning personal fouls, that argument has been batted back and forth and could go either way.

 But the techs were ridiculous and called one sided.  I was so incensed when the ref stood there and watched LeBron taunt KG and laugh at him and didn't call a technical on him.  That SHOULD have been a technical.  Taunting is now and has been a reason for giving a T.  LeBron was clearly taunting but no call.   They were so quick to call T's on every little thing for the Celtics.  I saw Joel Anthony have a more emphatic reaction to a foul, going right at the ref, than Ray had when they called the T on him and they didn't call a tech on Anthony. 

Doris Burke was on the radio this morning and said she was completely dumbfounded over the tech they called on Doc.  She was sitting right down from him and said he wasn't riding the ref and he didn't say anything that could have merited a T.  She agreed with Doc that it was one of the worst she has seen.   

 There's no way you can say that there was any kind of consistency in the way they called those technicals. 

I agree with this too.  The technicals were bad.  But they happened in the 1st Quarter, our best quarter was the 2nd Quarter.  We were badly outplayed in the 3rd and 4th.  The timing doesn't jive to say it broke our momentum.  Our flow was at its best in the 2nd Quarter, immediately after the bad technicals.

What I said about the technicals and the inconsistent refs had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.  The Celtics lost the game because of their poor play, pure and simple.  I would be saying the same thing if the Celtics had won the game.   My thoughts on the officiating has to do with the integrity of the game I love and my enjoyment of watching it. 

The inconsistent and incompetent refs are taking away from the integrity of the game.  They are taking away from my enjoyment of watching the game.  The Celtics would have lost either way because they just didn't have it last night.  But fans deserve a quality product what I watched last night was not a quality product because of the officiating. 

[celtsfan84]

Anyways I'm done feeding the troll. Hopefully though he will teach us some more life lessons. God was that little rant educational. We can only pray to have teachers in this country such as yourself.

You seem to need all the life lessons you can get.  Or at the very least an anger management class.

Guess I struck some sort of nerve cause you seem to be taking this very personally. I guess somthing I said must have been grounded in some sort of truth.. 

Funny, but I seemed to strike a nerve with you from the very beginning.  You have had no logic in your posts, only odd personal attacks.

[celtsfan84]

Not mentioning personal fouls, that argument has been batted back and forth and could go either way.

 But the techs were ridiculous and called one sided.  I was so incensed when the ref stood there and watched LeBron taunt KG and laugh at him and didn't call a technical on him.  That SHOULD have been a technical.  Taunting is now and has been a reason for giving a T.  LeBron was clearly taunting but no call.   They were so quick to call T's on every little thing for the Celtics.  I saw Joel Anthony have a more emphatic reaction to a foul, going right at the ref, than Ray had when they called the T on him and they didn't call a tech on Anthony. 

Doris Burke was on the radio this morning and said she was completely dumbfounded over the tech they called on Doc.  She was sitting right down from him and said he wasn't riding the ref and he didn't say anything that could have merited a T.  She agreed with Doc that it was one of the worst she has seen.   

 There's no way you can say that there was any kind of consistency in the way they called those technicals. 

I agree with this too.  The technicals were bad.  But they happened in the 1st Quarter, our best quarter was the 2nd Quarter.  We were badly outplayed in the 3rd and 4th.  The timing doesn't jive to say it broke our momentum.  Our flow was at its best in the 2nd Quarter, immediately after the bad technicals.

What I said about the technicals and the inconsistent refs had nothing to do with the outcome of the game.  The Celtics lost the game because of their poor play, pure and simple.  I would be saying the same thing if the Celtics had won the game.   My thoughts on the officiating has to do with the integrity of the game I love and my enjoyment of watching it. 

The inconsistent and incompetent refs are taking away from the integrity of the game.  They are taking away from my enjoyment of watching the game.  The Celtics would have lost either way because they just didn't have it last night.  But fans deserve a quality product what I watched last night was not a quality product because of the officiating. 

Great post.

I see your point and can agree to an extent.  However, all NBA series are best of 7, so I would say that in just about all, if not all, occasions, the better team ends up winning.  Maybe it is a short-term problem but definitely not a long-term one, in my opinion.

[guava_wrench]

The nba: Where brainwashing happens. Stern wants it that way.

The refs have been so bad people now accept it and go by stats in the box score not by when fouls were called just based on how many total are called. Their are alot of factors the box score does not show and has already been well documented by what is termed as 'whining' incorrectly by some.

When did I say that?  Every event in life is biased.  For instance, young students prefer more attractive teachers.  So regardless of teaching skill, the more attractive teachers evoke a better response.  Bias.  I still attended school.

There is a different between a bias towards star players and an event being scripted.  Please look up definitions for each word.  Every event in life has some bias.  Life isn't fair.  GET OVER IT.

Holier than thou much? Your now blessing us all with your life lessons? Too funny man. Always gotta be one right? I wonder if you talk down to your peers or spouse this way.

My guess is if they had to constantly listen to your nonsensical babble you have neither. Or a very hard time holding onto them. I for one don't come on here for you to grace me with your all around knowledge of life. I'm getting the sense others feel the same.

Go be a motivational speaker to a bunch of sheep if you want. I hear there's a vacancy in Waco Texas. You'd fit right in. But please don't talk down to this entire blog as if we know nothing of what we saw last night.

Interesting response to an excellent post by celtsfan84.

We all have implicit biases. Name-calling doesn't do much to overcome them. It often takes well-designed tests to expose our implicit biases to ourselves, thus making them explicit. We are often surprised when we learn of our implicit biases. No doubt, refs too have implicit biases. This may account for 50-50 calls more often going to the batter player. This may also mean that refs subconsciously have expected outcomes on plays, such as when Pierce takes Chalmers to the hole or Lebron takes Dooling. The best thing the league can do for that, which I hope they do already, is help make the refs aware of this so that they can take a step back. Unfortunately, that game happens so fast and refs only get a single look at each play, so more internal reasoning could actually lead to worse calls. We also have fans complaining about late whistles when refs try to decrease their impact on a game. I prefer late whistles if they are happening on borderline plays and because I prefer that the refs pay more attention to the action and not worry about blowing the whistle ASAP.

Many sports will have this problem due to the complexity of the calls that need to be made. Tennis is easy since you can more easily isolate line calls from expectations. Balls and strikes is a lot tougher. If a pitcher has been painting the corners perfectly all game, the umpire will get used to that. It can conceivable lead to a pitcher getting more calls.

[wdleehi]

Warning -  Next pointless personal attack will get a mini vacation from this site.

[wdleehi]

How can we complain about the number of personal fouls on Wade a Lebron when Pierce and Ray combined for 3 personal fouls?



The T's were bad.

[celtsfan84]

The nba: Where brainwashing happens. Stern wants it that way.

The refs have been so bad people now accept it and go by stats in the box score not by when fouls were called just based on how many total are called. Their are alot of factors the box score does not show and has already been well documented by what is termed as 'whining' incorrectly by some.

When did I say that?  Every event in life is biased.  For instance, young students prefer more attractive teachers.  So regardless of teaching skill, the more attractive teachers evoke a better response.  Bias.  I still attended school.

There is a different between a bias towards star players and an event being scripted.  Please look up definitions for each word.  Every event in life has some bias.  Life isn't fair.  GET OVER IT.

Holier than thou much? Your now blessing us all with your life lessons? Too funny man. Always gotta be one right? I wonder if you talk down to your peers or spouse this way.

My guess is if they had to constantly listen to your nonsensical babble you have neither. Or a very hard time holding onto them. I for one don't come on here for you to grace me with your all around knowledge of life. I'm getting the sense others feel the same.

Go be a motivational speaker to a bunch of sheep if you want. I hear there's a vacancy in Waco Texas. You'd fit right in. But please don't talk down to this entire blog as if we know nothing of what we saw last night.

Interesting response to an excellent post by celtsfan84.

We all have implicit biases. Name-calling doesn't do much to overcome them. It often takes well-designed tests to expose our implicit biases to ourselves, thus making them explicit. We are often surprised when we learn of our implicit biases. No doubt, refs too have implicit biases. This may account for 50-50 calls more often going to the batter player. This may also mean that refs subconsciously have expected outcomes on plays, such as when Pierce takes Chalmers to the hole or Lebron takes Dooling. The best thing the league can do for that, which I hope they do already, is help make the refs aware of this so that they can take a step back. Unfortunately, that game happens so fast and refs only get a single look at each play, so more internal reasoning could actually lead to worse calls. We also have fans complaining about late whistles when refs try to decrease their impact on a game. I prefer late whistles if they are happening on borderline plays and because I prefer that the refs pay more attention to the action and not worry about blowing the whistle ASAP.

Many sports will have this problem due to the complexity of the calls that need to be made. Tennis is easy since you can more easily isolate line calls from expectations. Balls and strikes is a lot tougher. If a pitcher has been painting the corners perfectly all game, the umpire will get used to that. It can conceivable lead to a pitcher getting more calls.

Appreciate it.  I agree completely with your sentiment.  If there is a 50/50 call to be made, pure human nature says that the better players will get the favor of those calls.  It doesn't make it right and it doesn't make the game "fixed" or "scripted".  It is a human response to blame the lesser player for an offense to the greater player, whether true or imagined.  Stars get more calls in the NBA because it is a quicker game than most other sports and split second decisions must be made.  If a play is close and a split second decision must be made betwen a Pierce and a Chalmers or between a LeBron and a Pietrus, the star will more frequently get the call.

[celtsfan84]

How can we complain about the number of personal fouls on Wade a Lebron when Pierce and Ray combined for 3 personal fouls?



The T's were bad.

Fully agree. The technicals were bad but the personal fouls seemed pretty balanced to me.

[guava_wrench]

How can we complain about the number of personal fouls on Wade a Lebron when Pierce and Ray combined for 3 personal fouls?



The T's were bad.

TP. It does make it seem quite bizarre. But there will always be complaints of this nature after a loss.

[CelticHooligan3]

Anyways I'm done feeding the troll. Hopefully though he will teach us some more life lessons. God was that little rant educational. We can only pray to have teachers in this country such as yourself.

You seem to need all the life lessons you can get.  Or at the very least an anger management class.

Guess I struck some sort of nerve cause you seem to be taking this very personally. I guess somthing I said must have been grounded in some sort of truth.. 

Funny, but I seemed to strike a nerve with you from the very beginning.  You have had no logic in your posts, only odd personal attacks.

Who said I was angry? How you mistook my amusement for anger I'll never know. But I'm done addressing you. Your repeating yourself at this point. I don't care anymore.  Go be "enlightened" Sid Hartha. Your followers beckon..

 

[celtsfan84]

Anyways I'm done feeding the troll. Hopefully though he will teach us some more life lessons. God was that little rant educational. We can only pray to have teachers in this country such as yourself.

You seem to need all the life lessons you can get.  Or at the very least an anger management class.

Guess I struck some sort of nerve cause you seem to be taking this very personally. I guess somthing I said must have been grounded in some sort of truth..  

Funny, but I seemed to strike a nerve with you from the very beginning.  You have had no logic in your posts, only odd personal attacks.

Who said I was angry? How you mistook my amusement for anger I'll never know. But I'm done addressing you. Your repeating yourself at this point. I don't care anymore.  Go be "enlightened" Sid Hartha. Your followers beckon..

I can quote multiple angry personal attacks from you, including the one you just made and including you admitting to a short fuse.  Please re-read your own posts for a sense of perspective.  And Siddhartha is one name, not two, to help you out a bit.

 

[pearljammer10]

Anyways I'm done feeding the troll. Hopefully though he will teach us some more life lessons. God was that little rant educational. We can only pray to have teachers in this country such as yourself.

You seem to need all the life lessons you can get.  Or at the very least an anger management class.

Guess I struck some sort of nerve cause you seem to be taking this very personally. I guess somthing I said must have been grounded in some sort of truth.. 

Funny, but I seemed to strike a nerve with you from the very beginning.  You have had no logic in your posts, only odd personal attacks.

Who said I was angry? How you mistook my amusement for anger I'll never know. But I'm done addressing you. Your repeating yourself at this point. I don't care anymore.  Go be "enlightened" Sid Hartha. Your followers beckon..

 

You keep saying you're done but you keep coming back to try and get the last word in. Give it a rest dude.

[The One]

Blaming the refs is for the weak minded.

[celticsclay]

what do the yellow circles mean?

[Tai]

Or perhaps LeBron and Wade were actually fouled while attacking the basket?

Watching the game, it seemed to be called pretty fairly besides the admittedly ludicrous technical fouls.

For all those who state the NBA is fixed - was it fixed when we won our 17 titles or was it fixed every year other than those years?

Agreed.  It irritates me when fans of the sport argue collusion, not recognizing that we'd be benefiting from this.  If I truly believed a sport was biased, I wouldn't watch.

You two should start your own site then, and live in Lala land together. If you didn't recognize somthing was wrong with the foul differential in that game then you don't know the game of Basketball too well.

Neither one of you have any leg to stand on and quite frankly I question whether your fans of this team or just trolling this site after a pathetic David Stern classic. So if you need to troll take it elsewhere. Your gonna find the vast majority of us have a short fuse today. That is all.

Something wrong with the foul differential? miami had more fouls then us dude. How can you complain about foul differential?

Miami - 21 fouls
Celtics - 19

Miami - 23 foul shots
Celtics - 21

The technicals were ridiculous yes. The officiating was inconsistent yes, but it was inconsistent on both sides. Celtics play better, we have an opportunity to be in the game. That didnt happen, and the refs didnt control our ability to not shoot or lack of inside presence last night.

Plus, James and Wade get 0 fouls we are tied at halftime... James and Wade get their fouls in the second and we start to play terrible. No real relevance here but you can make up anything if you want.

Hey pearl jammer where did I say anything about foul differential? You tell me homey. I talked about flow and momentum both of which were greatly affected by last nights refs.

There were a ton of makeup calls when the game was already in hand to make it not so obvious how biased it was.

Yes the Celts shoot themselves in the foot by missing free throws and bricking shots. But any time they started making any sort of progress it was quickly nixed by a whistle. Go watch the game again. If you don't beleive in the affect of the timeing of the calls then I don't know what to tell you. But I can assure you that the timeing is important and affects the momentum going forward.

Any semblance of flow to that game for the Celtics was stopped dead in its tracks by the referees. I hardly come on here and whine about refs but when there's a travesty like last night I'll make an exception.

I go on IRC. I go on RealGM. Over the years, I've seen fanbases of opposing teams complain about the refs in whatever which way they do the way you just did when the calls favor us a little more, be it a regular season game, or a playoff game, ESPECIALLY Laker fans in the NBA Finals games when we played them. It's one rotating circle of complaining about the refs.

Celtsfan84 was right on point on that. People look at tonight and then say "THIS game proves the NBA Is rigged, and I don't think I'll watch the NBA anymore because of this". I see one topic on the very top of this forum asking if the NBA is rigged, and another one asking if we're tired of the NBA. The thing is, they neglect the fact that many fans of opposing teams have said the same thing, saying the refs were in the C's pockets, saying the C's "let them play", changed momentum, you name it. And then other people say "man stop whining, your team just sucked tonight, the refs weren't the reason you lost".

I can't read your mind, but when I saw you say "I'm only talking about LAST NIGHT", you suggested to me that you knew this, and probably would be hurting yourself by going there with Celtsfan84.

The techs were horrid. Apart from those, I'm not sure I can really disagree with what Celtsfan84 said.

This is the bottom line. Once you start talking about "David Stern classics", you better be prepared to admit that maybe the Celtics may have gotten help from of those once upon a time. You can't have it both ways. Asking if our 17 titles are rigged if you imply David Stern has done this before is a fair question. If you're not willing to answer it, then admit it. Choosing to snidely insult instead won't save you.