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Offline pearljammer10

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Or perhaps LeBron and Wade were actually fouled while attacking the basket?

Watching the game, it seemed to be called pretty fairly besides the admittedly ludicrous technical fouls.

For all those who state the NBA is fixed - was it fixed when we won our 17 titles or was it fixed every year other than those years?
Agreed.  It irritates me when fans of the sport argue collusion, not recognizing that we'd be benefiting from this.  If I truly believed a sport was biased, I wouldn't watch.



You two should start your own site then, and live in Lala land together. If you didn't recognize somthing was wrong with the foul differential in that game then you don't know the game of Basketball too well.

Neither one of you have any leg to stand on and quite frankly I question whether your fans of this team or just trolling this site after a pathetic David Stern classic. So if you need to troll take it elsewhere. Your gonna find the vast majority of us have a short fuse today. That is all.

Something wrong with the foul differential? miami had more fouls then us dude. How can you complain about foul differential?

Miami - 21 fouls
Celtics - 19

Miami - 23 foul shots
Celtics - 21

The technicals were ridiculous yes. The officiating was inconsistent yes, but it was inconsistent on both sides. Celtics play better, we have an opportunity to be in the game. That didnt happen, and the refs didnt control our ability to not shoot or lack of inside presence last night.

Plus, James and Wade get 0 fouls we are tied at halftime... James and Wade get their fouls in the second and we start to play terrible. No real relevance here but you can make up anything if you want.

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I can accept this post here.  The refs weren't great but they were at most the 4th most prominent reasons for the loss. Let's fix the top 3.  Blaming the refs is for losers.  Notice that Belichick never blames the refs, even after the Denver playoff game years back.

Sorry, are you playing in the games? What are you talking about? You don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment? Or you just think nobody is allowed to be p---ed about it without your say so.

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I can accept this post here.  The refs weren't great but they were at most the 4th most prominent reasons for the loss. Let's fix the top 3.  Blaming the refs is for losers.  Notice that Belichick never blames the refs, even after the Denver playoff game years back.

Sorry, are you playing in the games? What are you talking about? You don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment? Or you just think nobody is allowed to be p---ed about it without your say so.

Are you playing in the games?  You don't think Boston has ever gotten special treatment?  I remind everyone that we started the BIG 3 thing, had the most hyped team in the league in 08, and won 17 titles.  If the league is fixed, it has historically been fixed in our favor.  We have the most titles.

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Or perhaps LeBron and Wade were actually fouled while attacking the basket?

Watching the game, it seemed to be called pretty fairly besides the admittedly ludicrous technical fouls.

For all those who state the NBA is fixed - was it fixed when we won our 17 titles or was it fixed every year other than those years?
Agreed.  It irritates me when fans of the sport argue collusion, not recognizing that we'd be benefiting from this.  If I truly believed a sport was biased, I wouldn't watch.


You say that if a sport is biased you wouldn't watch that sport, and yet your argument is that our team benefits from an unfair call sometimes so it's fair.

 ???

I can see where you're coming from though, I would have liked nothing more than for the Celtics to play hard through the officiating and come up with the win.

What I dislike about last night game is that the officiating made sure to sap any kind of momentum and emotion out of Boston. And you need both to play over those bs calls. Even at half time, I would have rather they let Miami keep those 2 points and bring up the technicals to talk about. Taking 2 points off Miami felt - in a wierd sense - like evening out the bad calls and sapped the anger Boston had, which was the only emotion they could feed off of last night.

I also think KG is gonna go hulk style on the Heats next game, and there's no way they're gonna be softening him up with fouls and Ts and no-calls. Enough so that the whole team will feed off him. Especially Rondo.

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If you think the NBA is scripted and no longer want to watch the games, feel free. Nobody is forcing you.

If you think officiating was the reason the Celtics lost, then good for you.  You're wrong, but good for you.

Did you know that we shot over twice as many free throws in Game 5 against a younger and more athletic 76ers team?  Did you know that their blogs complained about that game being scripted and fixed to favor the team with more star power?  Did you know there are 28 NBA teams other than the Celtics and HEAT?


What you fail to grasp is the concept of "flow" in an NBA game. To those of us who are older than 14 it's a pretty common topic in any Basketball game.

Once again.. If you didn't see the refs mess with the "flow" of this game in a negative fashion for the Celtics then you are new to the game of basketball and I suggest you hold your tongue.

I am well older than 14 and older than you.  Makign excuses after a loss is a loser's chore unless you played perfectly.  The Celtics didn't play perfectly.

You think it is mere coincidence that we struggled to score in the last series too? And the one before that.  Our "flow" has sucked for 14 straight playoff games now.  I guess all were due to the officials.   ::)

If all of your points are nonsense insults, I suggest you stop posting.  It is pointless and rude.

I ask again, was our 08 Title team scripted and fixed?  Or are only the games we lose scripted?


I'm not talking about any other game besides last night which is the topic at hand. In basketball "momentum" say it with me.. M-O-M-E-N-T-U-M is extremely important and the key to any game. If you didn't see the refs last night kill what we had of it then your a noob to this sport. It's really sad there are such uneducated fans of this team. Watch some more ball read a few books and grow some hair on your chest before you decide to post again. You clearly have a lot to learn about this sport and how it's idealy played and should be referee'd. Go blog on a Miami site. You'd fit right in.

We had the highest scoring quarter of our postseason in the 2nd quarter.

The foul calls in the 3rd quarter were 5 on Miami, 5 on Boston.

When exactly was our momentum broken by the refs?  If our momentum and flow was broken by bad foul calls in the first, well we scored 35 in the second.  We need our momentum broken more often.  We might crack 80 points if our momentum is broken.

This series has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  If we lose, the excuse making posters here will just blame the refs regardless.

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The nba: Where brainwashing happens. Stern wants it that way.

The refs have been so bad people now accept it and go by stats in the box score not by when fouls were called just based on how many total are called. Their are alot of factors the box score does not show and has already been well documented by what is termed as 'whining' incorrectly by some.

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I can accept this post here.  The refs weren't great but they were at most the 4th most prominent reasons for the loss. Let's fix the top 3.  Blaming the refs is for losers.  Notice that Belichick never blames the refs, even after the Denver playoff game years back.

Sorry, are you playing in the games? What are you talking about? You don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment? Or you just think nobody is allowed to be p---ed about it without your say so.

Are you playing in the games?  You don't think Boston has ever gotten special treatment?  I remind everyone that we started the BIG 3 thing, had the most hyped team in the league in 08, and won 17 titles.  If the league is fixed, it has historically been fixed in our favor.  We have the most titles.

I'm not playing which is why I can bring up the refs if I want. I don't know if they got special treatment, I'm talking about now. You think that makes it okay if Boston got special treatment at some point? Anyway you said the league isn't fixed so I asked you if you don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment which you didn't answer.

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If you aren't emotionally stable enough to watch the NBA or don't want to watch it, then don't watch it.  I like the NBA just fine.  I suggest you join a quilting forum or something that you can't complain about.

If you think the NBA is fixed and the HEAT are scripted to win, then why are you watching?

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Every star in NBA history since George Mikan has received special treatment.  GET OVER IT.

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I can accept this post here.  The refs weren't great but they were at most the 4th most prominent reasons for the loss. Let's fix the top 3.  Blaming the refs is for losers.  Notice that Belichick never blames the refs, even after the Denver playoff game years back.

Sorry, are you playing in the games? What are you talking about? You don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment? Or you just think nobody is allowed to be p---ed about it without your say so.

Are you playing in the games?  You don't think Boston has ever gotten special treatment?  I remind everyone that we started the BIG 3 thing, had the most hyped team in the league in 08, and won 17 titles.  If the league is fixed, it has historically been fixed in our favor.  We have the most titles.

I'm not playing which is why I can bring up the refs if I want. I don't know if they got special treatment, I'm talking about now. You think that makes it okay if Boston got special treatment at some point? Anyway you said the league isn't fixed so I asked you if you don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment which you didn't answer.

Every star in NBA history since George Mikan has received special treatment.  GET OVER IT.

That doesn't make the games scripted, make me whine after every game, or make me say I want to stop watching the NBA.  If you want to stop, then stop.  Free country. 

The Celtics are part of the NBA like 29 other teams.  If you hate the NBA, don't post on an NBA forum.  That is trolling.

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Every star in NBA history since George Mikan has received special treatment.  GET OVER IT.

You said you would not watch if there was bias. Special treatment  for stars is ok though. hmmm

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Or perhaps LeBron and Wade were actually fouled while attacking the basket?

Watching the game, it seemed to be called pretty fairly besides the admittedly ludicrous technical fouls.

For all those who state the NBA is fixed - was it fixed when we won our 17 titles or was it fixed every year other than those years?
Agreed.  It irritates me when fans of the sport argue collusion, not recognizing that we'd be benefiting from this.  If I truly believed a sport was biased, I wouldn't watch.



You two should start your own site then, and live in Lala land together. If you didn't recognize somthing was wrong with the foul differential in that game then you don't know the game of Basketball too well.

Neither one of you have any leg to stand on and quite frankly I question whether your fans of this team or just trolling this site after a pathetic David Stern classic. So if you need to troll take it elsewhere. Your gonna find the vast majority of us have a short fuse today. That is all.

Something wrong with the foul differential? miami had more fouls then us dude. How can you complain about foul differential?

Miami - 21 fouls
Celtics - 19

Miami - 23 foul shots
Celtics - 21

The technicals were ridiculous yes. The officiating was inconsistent yes, but it was inconsistent on both sides. Celtics play better, we have an opportunity to be in the game. That didnt happen, and the refs didnt control our ability to not shoot or lack of inside presence last night.

Plus, James and Wade get 0 fouls we are tied at halftime... James and Wade get their fouls in the second and we start to play terrible. No real relevance here but you can make up anything if you want.


Hey pearl jammer where did I say anything about foul differential? You tell me homey. I talked about flow and momentum both of which were greatly affected by last nights refs.

There were a ton of makeup calls when the game was already in hand to make it not so obvious how biased it was.

Yes the Celts shoot themselves in the foot by missing free throws and bricking shots. But any time they started making any sort of progress it was quickly nixed by a whistle. Go watch the game again. If you don't beleive in the affect of the timeing of the calls then I don't know what to tell you. But I can assure you that the timeing is important and affects the momentum going forward.

Any semblance of flow to that game for the Celtics was stopped dead in its tracks by the referees. I hardly come on here and whine about refs but when there's a travesty like last night I'll make an exception.

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I can accept this post here.  The refs weren't great but they were at most the 4th most prominent reasons for the loss. Let's fix the top 3.  Blaming the refs is for losers.  Notice that Belichick never blames the refs, even after the Denver playoff game years back.

Sorry, are you playing in the games? What are you talking about? You don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment? Or you just think nobody is allowed to be p---ed about it without your say so.

Are you playing in the games?  You don't think Boston has ever gotten special treatment?  I remind everyone that we started the BIG 3 thing, had the most hyped team in the league in 08, and won 17 titles.  If the league is fixed, it has historically been fixed in our favor.  We have the most titles.

I'm not playing which is why I can bring up the refs if I want. I don't know if they got special treatment, I'm talking about now. You think that makes it okay if Boston got special treatment at some point? Anyway you said the league isn't fixed so I asked you if you don't think Lebron and Wade get special treatment which you didn't answer.

Every star in NBA history since George Mikan has received special treatment.  GET OVER IT.

That doesn't make the games scripted, make me whine after every game, or make me say I want to stop watching the NBA.  If you want to stop, then stop.  Free country. 

The Celtics are part of the NBA like 29 other teams.  If you hate the NBA, don't post on an NBA forum.  That is trolling.

Ok pal, whatever you say. Enjoy your power trip.

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The nba: Where brainwashing happens. Stern wants it that way.

The refs have been so bad people now accept it and go by stats in the box score not by when fouls were called just based on how many total are called. Their are alot of factors the box score does not show and has already been well documented by what is termed as 'whining' incorrectly by some.

When did I say that?  Every event in life is biased.  For instance, young students prefer more attractive teachers.  So regardless of teaching skill, the more attractive teachers evoke a better response.  Bias.  I still attended school.

There is a different between a bias towards star players and an event being scripted.  Please look up definitions for each word.  Every event in life has some bias.  Life isn't fair.  GET OVER IT.

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If you think the NBA is scripted and no longer want to watch the games, feel free. Nobody is forcing you.

If you think officiating was the reason the Celtics lost, then good for you.  You're wrong, but good for you.

Did you know that we shot over twice as many free throws in Game 5 against a younger and more athletic 76ers team?  Did you know that their blogs complained about that game being scripted and fixed to favor the team with more star power?  Did you know there are 28 NBA teams other than the Celtics and HEAT?


What you fail to grasp is the concept of "flow" in an NBA game. To those of us who are older than 14 it's a pretty common topic in any Basketball game.

Once again.. If you didn't see the refs mess with the "flow" of this game in a negative fashion for the Celtics then you are new to the game of basketball and I suggest you hold your tongue.

I am well older than 14 and older than you.  Makign excuses after a loss is a loser's chore unless you played perfectly.  The Celtics didn't play perfectly.

You think it is mere coincidence that we struggled to score in the last series too? And the one before that.  Our "flow" has sucked for 14 straight playoff games now.  I guess all were due to the officials.   ::)

If all of your points are nonsense insults, I suggest you stop posting.  It is pointless and rude.

I ask again, was our 08 Title team scripted and fixed?  Or are only the games we lose scripted?


I'm not talking about any other game besides last night which is the topic at hand. In basketball "momentum" say it with me.. M-O-M-E-N-T-U-M is extremely important and the key to any game. If you didn't see the refs last night kill what we had of it then your a noob to this sport. It's really sad there are such uneducated fans of this team. Watch some more ball read a few books and grow some hair on your chest before you decide to post again. You clearly have a lot to learn about this sport and how it's idealy played and should be referee'd. Go blog on a Miami site. You'd fit right in.

We also had our best scoring quarter of the entire postseason in last night's game.  Your excuse making is quite impressive.  And I'm older than you and have seen much more basketball than you.

I ask again, was our 08 NBA Title team fixed? Or the Philadelphia series?

I think you are taking things way to black and white. It is not about "fixing" a game, as in scripting it to a conclusion. It is about helping a particular team. I remember distinctly in 2008 the awful officiating in more than one series - and not just the  Celtics series. The 2008 Celtics were a much better team, so their opponents would have needed much more help. As with any process, things improve over time. Meaning: the ability for refs to control the flow gets better, presumably more subtle.

I understand why you would say something like "blaming the refs is for losers." I think it is a lame thing to do if you say the ONLY reason a team lost was because of officiating. As much as I 100% believe the officials are bias and the league has a vested interest in getting super stars into the finals, I also believe a great team can overcome this bias. Boston is not a great team, not anymore. The fact they are in the finals is amazing given their situation and losing to the Heat is almost inevitable without any assistance from the refs. It is not about "we lost to the Heat because of the officials" - I would agree with you that is a stupid and childish comment.

But, and this is important, when the officials make it clear on the floor that the Celtics will not be allowed to play defense inside coupled with not being able to drive inside without getting fouled in the first half...it DOES change the game. It turns the plan into jump shooting. If Boston had an amazing jump shooting night, they would have won...but that is the "subtlety" of the bias. The refs made it very, very hard for the Celtics to pull off an upset last night. Whether they lost by 30 or 3, whether it was tied at the half or Miami was already well on their way to victory doesn't matter - the refs were involved in controlling the flow for one team positively and for another negatively.

As I said elsewhere, there will be a game this series (probably game 3) where Boston is the recipient of the refs love. I hope all the people who are bashing the refs (me included) will admit the bias there too. For me, it is not that the Heat got help and the poor old Celtics lost...it is that anyone gets help.

The NBA has lost integrity, more and more each season. It is silly to conclude that because they NBA is how it is now (refs helping) that means it is how it always was. Maybe it was, but I do not recall seeing obvious bias, whether Boston was in the game or two totally different teams. Bad calls happen, refs are human.

I understand both sides of this argument and I am sensitive to both sides. So let me conclude with what I think most people are saying:

1. Boston's play was a huge part of the loss
2. The officials were biased, not calling the game fairly on both sides.
3. The final totals of fouls is meaningless since most of the fouls on Miami were whistled when it no longer mattered. It is very possible this was intentional to "disguise" the bias.
4. Lebron and Wade receive super star calls and have many of their indiscretions (fouls other teams are whistled for and obvious travels, ball carrying, etc..) ignored.
5. In a game where Ray is whistled for saying "No!" and turning away, how is Lebron taunting KG not whistled? I agree what Lebron did should NOT have been whistled in a normal game, but how - in THIS game - is that not a tech?
6. Because the NBA appears to be so corrupt, many people are somewhere between frustrated and just "done."
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