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Re: i know we dug ourselves a hole, but that ain't a foul..
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2012, 09:28:55 AM »

Offline soap07

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It would have been egregious for the referees not to make that call. Even for KG, that is a terrible foul. Not enough blame is being put on him for being put in that position.

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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2012, 09:32:19 AM »

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That was about as blatant an illegal screen as I have seen.  Its tough to make that call at that point in the game, but we always give refs a hard time for not calling things the same throughout a game.  When a guy nearly falls over from his own momentum leaning into a screen, it is an obvious foul, plain and simple.  

Of course 90% of the screens KG sets are illegal, so it is a risk they take.  But anyone who thinks that wasn't a foul is looking through green glasses IMO.

It was a foul. It's just a foul they don't normally call and shouldn't.

If that was Rondo getting caught on that illegal screen, and Holliday hit the game winning shot coming off it, I have a feeling you would feel differently about whether it is a call they shouldn't make.

I agree.  Let's be honest here.  That was a bad screen by Garnett.  If the refs had let it go without a whistle, Sixer fans would have had every reason to be outraged.

I love how everyone agrees that it was a foul.  Basically, we are just mad at the zebras for making the correct call against us in a crucial moment. 

This isn't the game for ref bashing.  Save that for a game where it will be more justified.  It'll surely come, particularly if we manage to escape to the conference finals.

pardon sir,this is an instance worth looking into because this cost us the game..this is an eye opening game since at the onset we realize that officials are swayed by insinuations of opposing teams..doug collins has been openly criticizing the refs for being soft on garnett's picks thru his interviews, which subjectively or should i say subliminally forced fed to them..let's put it this way, same situation,game 7,championship on the line, with one last play to save the day, and they call that to KG, would you still be saying the same thing?yeah,it was a blatant foul?!guys stop acting as if it was metta world peace "blatant" foul to really harm someone..a little was on the line tonight that's why people all of a sudden became temporary moralists, because we still have time to make up for it..i don't mind looking through my "green" glasses, rather being laughed at by sixer fans, snickering, with igoudala getting away with a flop..
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Re: i know we dug ourselves a hole, but that ain't a foul..
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2012, 09:34:05 AM »

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It would have been egregious for the referees not to make that call. Even for KG, that is a terrible foul. Not enough blame is being put on him for being put in that position.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2012, 09:35:42 AM »

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It's a ticky tack foul... You can call ticky tack fouls during the regular season, but during the playoffs if you call it consistently, half of teams would be fouled out. Now, granted that they were calling ticky tack fouls during the game (which I had pointed out to my brother so many times before the last play) but at the same time, there were times that players got hacked from both sides and they didnt call anything.

Anyway, you don't make that call during the last play of the game. You just dont. Referees are not supposed to be talked about in the end of the day. It's like calling a holding during the last play of football, calling a player out during a questionable play... it just sucks.

However, the game shouldn't have ended in that play. We should've put them away way before that so I can't blame it on that play, but again, refs making the call kind of sucks.
I wouldn't call that a ticky tack foul because as has been pointed out by others it was about as blatant an illegal screen as you can get.  Sure illegal screen fouls aren't the same at chopping someone down when they are in the lane, but it was BLATANT.  KG just can't make such a blatant illegal screen.  PERIOD.  Totally KG's fault and it is all on him.  No one else to blame there.  
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Re: i know we dug ourselves a hole, but that ain't a foul..
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2012, 09:37:38 AM »

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It would have been egregious for the referees not to make that call. Even for KG, that is a terrible foul. Not enough blame is being put on him for being put in that position.

Eh, I don't blame him.  It is a fair risk to take, because if it works, he frees them up for a wide open shot to win the game.  I don't think anyone is at fault here really.  KG tried to make the play, but went a little too far, and the refs made the right call.

I find it pretty funny that on a site that everyone constantly complains about the refs being incompetent on, now everyone is up in arms because the refs made the right call?

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2012, 09:40:47 AM »

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People really thought that was an outrageously illegal screen?

He didn't even move his feet. Just leaned into him. Yeah its a foul but give me a freaking break id be giggling right now if we got that call in that situation.

Im sure all the people saying how bad of a pick it is would be talking about how lucky we would be be of the situation was reversed. Keep up that 'un-bias" pride!!

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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2012, 09:43:35 AM »

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It would have been egregious for the referees not to make that call. Even for KG, that is a terrible foul. Not enough blame is being put on him for being put in that position.

Eh, I don't blame him.  It is a fair risk to take, because if it works, he frees them up for a wide open shot to win the game.  I don't think anyone is at fault here really.  KG tried to make the play, but went a little too far, and the refs made the right call.

I find it pretty funny that on a site that everyone constantly complains about the refs being incompetent on, now everyone is up in arms because the refs made the right call?

Well the thing is they were letting both teams play all game and then they slap KG with that foul. If they had been consistent all game then I wouldn't have had a problem with it.

But it doesn't really matter, we deserved to lose that game partly due to our bad play and decision making. The other reason we lost is the sixers couldn't miss. The guys on TNT had it right, there were a lot of hail marys that went in for the sixers.
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2012, 09:43:41 AM »

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Well the Celtics played so poorly and never scored to put the game out of reach, and they let the refs decide the game

Thats what they get

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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2012, 09:46:16 AM »

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It would have been egregious for the referees not to make that call.

Not really.  Go back and watch the game again.  There was illegal clutching and grabbing on literally every half court play.  That screen was no worse than the stuff both teams were getting away with.

Yes, it's a foul, and rules are rules.  However, when you randomly start calling the game differently than you have all game to the detriment of only one team (i.e., last night's game, Game 7 in 2010), it ends up unfairly skewing the final result.


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Re: i know we dug ourselves a hole, but that ain't a foul..
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2012, 11:10:41 AM »

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That was about as blatant an illegal screen as I have seen.  Its tough to make that call at that point in the game, but we always give refs a hard time for not calling things the same throughout a game.  When a guy nearly falls over from his own momentum leaning into a screen, it is an obvious foul, plain and simple.  

Of course 90% of the screens KG sets are illegal, so it is a risk they take.  But anyone who thinks that wasn't a foul is looking through green glasses IMO.

It was a foul. It's just a foul they don't normally call and shouldn't.

If that was Rondo getting caught on that illegal screen, and Holliday hit the game winning shot coming off it, I have a feeling you would feel differently about whether it is a call they shouldn't make.

I agree.  Let's be honest here.  That was a bad screen by Garnett.  If the refs had let it go without a whistle, Sixer fans would have had every reason to be outraged.

I love how everyone agrees that it was a foul.  Basically, we are just mad at the zebras for making the correct call against us in a crucial moment. 

This isn't the game for ref bashing.  Save that for a game where it will be more justified.  It'll surely come, particularly if we manage to escape to the conference finals.

pardon sir,this is an instance worth looking into because this cost us the game..this is an eye opening game since at the onset we realize that officials are swayed by insinuations of opposing teams..doug collins has been openly criticizing the refs for being soft on garnett's picks thru his interviews, which subjectively or should i say subliminally forced fed to them..let's put it this way, same situation,game 7,championship on the line, with one last play to save the day, and they call that to KG, would you still be saying the same thing?yeah,it was a blatant foul?!guys stop acting as if it was metta world peace "blatant" foul to really harm someone..a little was on the line tonight that's why people all of a sudden became temporary moralists, because we still have time to make up for it..i don't mind looking through my "green" glasses, rather being laughed at by sixer fans, snickering, with igoudala getting away with a flop..

I'm sorry, Kevin Garnett sets a lot of borderline legal screens that he gets away.  And, he should get away with most of them as far as I'm concerned.  A slight shift of the body into a guy when he's coming by is cool in my book if the feet are properly planted and the shoulders are squared.

Unfortunately, KG's screen on Iggy late in last night's game didn't fit the borderline category.  It was a blatant foul and an ugly screen with moving feet and a lot of butt into the man.

Nobody's talking about it being an Artestian elbow.  That's an absurd comparison.  He wanted to make sure he got his man picked and moved too much and stuck his butt out too much, and he fouled Andre Iguodala.  And, the refs made the correct call.

This wasn't the refs trying to make it about themselves.  This was the refs attempting to call the game correctly down to the final buzzer.

Hats off to the striped demons in this one.  It was a well officiated game.
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Re: i know we dug ourselves a hole, but that ain't a foul..
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2012, 11:33:19 AM »

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It was a foul, it was galling that they didn't call the repeated holding in the post that kept KG from getting position the last few times they tried to feed him there but oh well.

The C's do their share of holding so I'm not too torn up about it overall, consistancy with how the rest of the game was called would have helped the C's but it was a foul.

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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2012, 11:42:45 AM »

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It would have been egregious for the referees not to make that call.

Not really.  Go back and watch the game again.  There was illegal clutching and grabbing on literally every half court play.  That screen was no worse than the stuff both teams were getting away with.

Yes, it's a foul, and rules are rules.  However, when you randomly start calling the game differently than you have all game to the detriment of only one team (i.e., last night's game, Game 7 in 2010), it ends up unfairly skewing the final result.

But since when are refs consistent.  This is the NBA, and all we hear about is how inconsistent the refs are.  Shame on the C's for assuming that a foul would not be called when it is committed.

Particularly a foul that is always a 50/50 type thing.  When it comes to charges and illegal screens, it is always a crapshoot, so you do it at your own risk.

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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2012, 11:45:27 AM »

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how about instead of blaming the refs we blame the team for being in a position to be screwed like that off one foul call? I mean pp had 7 pts what the hell is that?

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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2012, 12:31:15 PM »

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That play was a foul BUT it's the NBA, they almost never make that call.  They let both teams set illegals all game.  The inconsistency from officials in the NBA is something which really turns a lot of people off from the NBA.  It's unfortunate but we had a putrid 2nd and 3rd quarter, had we played just a little better then the game would have been put away already.
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2012, 01:27:12 PM »

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It would have been egregious for the referees not to make that call.

Not really.  Go back and watch the game again.  There was illegal clutching and grabbing on literally every half court play.  That screen was no worse than the stuff both teams were getting away with.

Yes, it's a foul, and rules are rules.  However, when you randomly start calling the game differently than you have all game to the detriment of only one team (i.e., last night's game, Game 7 in 2010), it ends up unfairly skewing the final result.

Donny Marshall made one of the most idiotic remarks I've ever heard about the call. Said making that call is disrespectful to Garnett and the game.

So it’s ok with Marshall for the officials, out of respect to Garnett and the “game”, to disrespect the other 23 players competing? Not to mention both coaches, The rest of the teams in the playoffs, the fans, AND the game…To not make the proper call?

Folks, This is how Tim Donaghy was born and bred into Mark Davis, the Crawford Brothers, the cadaver, Scott Foster, etc.

Stating the obvious here….Donny Marshall, you are a blithering idiot.

Call the [dang]ed game by the rules.  Not only in the first quarter to "set a tone".  Not randomly.  Not based on the player's status.  Just call the game by the rulebook and let the players decide the outcome. 

The fan deserves better.  The players deserve better. 

If I didn't mention it....Donny Marshall...You are a blithering idiot.