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Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2012, 12:26:52 AM »

Offline celticslove

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People are missing the point. Hollins did his job out there tonight. He was a major part of the reason that the Hawks went on a scoring drought during that huge stretch where we couldn't score the ball. Yes, Horford got loose, but it wasn't always the fault of Hollins. He had to be picking up against players that would have been open due to a switch, and he did a great job getting them to take very ugly looking shots.

There's a reason why there weren't many johnson and smith highlights until the very tail end of the 4th quarter. Yes, Horford went off for a bit, but pay attention to the stretch where we couldn't score a thing, but were still up by like 9 or close to 10. Hollins saved us from playing a game 7, bigtime.

Don't pay attention to the stat sheet. This guy, I can clearly see, potentially saved our season tonight.


I don't really know what people were watch but Hollins was HUGE for us tonight!! When he played with Genie (KG) and didn't have to cover up for Bass on D we were beasting!! KG and Hollins on D together saved us!! Say what you want about letting Horford get those 6 at the end but are you watching what lead to him not being on Horford???? Go re-watch the game, Hollins was big whether "you" give cred or not!!!

So why was KG a +9, Bass a +2 and Hollins a -4?

I watched the game. Hollins was the furthest thing from "huge" or "beasting" on the court. The offense literally came to a stand still when he was in the game without KG. And his bad defense on Horford pretty much got the Hawks back in the game.

Now if Horford had been just hitting shots or putting good post moves on Hollins, you could somewhat overlook that. But he literally gave Horford like 3 wide open dunks/layups and left him for a wide open jumper.

unfortunately hustle is not included in that BS +/- stats. And hustle was the main contribution of Hollins. You either love or hate him but i love how tirelessly he tries. Al Horford has 7TOs and still is a +2 so i think this +/- stats is screwed.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2012, 12:31:28 AM »

Offline Senninsage

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Anybody criticizing Hollins after this game tonight clearly don't focus on all the factors that can decide a basketball game.

There are many little things that don't show up on a stat sheet, and Hollins did some of those things amazingly for us today. It was almost like he was reading my [dang] mind at times as I was watching the game.

Everytime I wanted him to not give up on the pressure out on the perimeter and stay there just an extra 2 seconds or more just to force the guy with the ball's life a bit more difficult, further stalling their offense, he did exactly that. What this guy did for us tonight is a significant reason for why we aren't talking about a game 7 in Atlanta right now. I'm stunned people don't see this.

Before Horford went off, just pay attention to what Hollins did out on the court while the Hawks were struggling to score right when we ourselves couldn't score the ball. There was a stretch where we couldn't score, but we still had like a 9 or 10 point lead. Hollins is tremendously responsible for that, especially his huge boxouts late in this game to guarantee us the defensive rebounds.

If Hollins isn't doing what he's doing out there, the Hawks go on there scoring tear much sooner, and we definitely don't win this one the way we were playing. Please give credit where credit is due. Hollins is a major unsung hero in tonight's win.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2012, 12:57:04 AM »

Offline Senninsage

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People are missing the point. Hollins did his job out there tonight. He was a major part of the reason that the Hawks went on a scoring drought during that huge stretch where we couldn't score the ball. Yes, Horford got loose, but it wasn't always the fault of Hollins. He had to be picking up against players that would have been open due to a switch, and he did a great job getting them to take very ugly looking shots.

There's a reason why there weren't many johnson and smith highlights until the very tail end of the 4th quarter. Yes, Horford went off for a bit, but pay attention to the stretch where we couldn't score a thing, but were still up by like 9 or close to 10. Hollins saved us from playing a game 7, bigtime.

Don't pay attention to the stat sheet. This guy, I can clearly see, potentially saved our season tonight.


I don't really know what people were watch but Hollins was HUGE for us tonight!! When he played with Genie (KG) and didn't have to cover up for Bass on D we were beasting!! KG and Hollins on D together saved us!! Say what you want about letting Horford get those 6 at the end but are you watching what lead to him not being on Horford???? Go re-watch the game, Hollins was big whether "you" give cred or not!!!
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I'm very happy to see people taking notice of this, man. We should never look our noses down on even the smallest of contributions to a team victory, and Hollins will never be a KG, Rondo, Pierce, Ray or even KG, much less Bradley on his best nights, but what he does for us is crucial. Take Ryan Hollins off this team, and I really and seriously do believe we lose this 7 game series. It wasn't just this game. It was even in game 2, where he literally saved our rear ends. Pay attention to what he did in the last regular season game against the Hawks, when our second unit nearly beat their starting 5. Hollins gives this team something it desperately needs, the little intangible things that never make the highlights or get major focus in articles. Doc recognizes it all the time, and points it out.

Do people believe Doc doesn't know what he's talking about or something? This guy Hollins has some incredible boxouts. I'm beginning to see clear as day why this guy came highly recommended by both Pierce and KG. The guy is a blue collar grinder out on the court. He also has basket opportunities available for him that just aren't that available to this team a lot of times. We really don't have a big that can finish some of those dunk attempts all the time. Yes, he missed some, due to some non calls and some incredible recovery defense by the Hawks, but these little things are important. Hollins getting just one inside like that forced them to respect him in a way they hoped they wouldn't have to.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2012, 01:17:26 AM »

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Saying that we lose this series without Hollins says all I need to know.

lol

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2012, 01:39:40 AM »

Offline mikestar

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I was there tonight. Who almost lost the game for us? Bass on the defensive end. He has no idea on the rotations and is consistently burned (and benched for it). Not a smart player.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2012, 01:43:30 AM »

Offline Senninsage

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Saying that we lose this series without Hollins says all I need to know.

lol

We won this series in 6 games, buddy. 6 games. Not 4, not 5, but 6. This game goes to a game 7, who knows what happens.

Doc Rivers, the coach of the Boston Celtics, even greatly credits Hollins for giving the team a ton of energy off the bench that he believes sparked the Celtics towards their game 2 win without Rondo. He acknowledged Pierces incredible game, but he pointed out with excitement that a major unsung hero of that game was Ryan Hollins. Doc specifically credited him yet again in their OT victory in game 3. Hollins has been huge for us in very key moments in this series, and if people really believe it hasn't helped tremendously to tip the scales of this series to the outcome we have now, then just look at what happened to the Mavericks in game's 1 and 2 against OKC. Or what happened to Dallas in Game 4. If someone on their team stepped up and did in specific moments what Hollins has been doing for us, they likely steal one of the first two games, maybe even win the first 2, and we aren't talking about the Mavericks having been swept out of the playoffs right now.

If Ryan Hollins does not grab that offensive rebound for us tonight, KG's incredible night ends in a lost game. If Ryan Hollins doesn't have a killer boxout in the paint off a Hawks miss, they probably get the ball back and pad the board, making this win far less likely for us. And if you don't understand how bad a rebounding team the Celtics are, and how huge it is for us to be able to prevent second chance opportunities in crucial points in the game, something Hollins did for us especialy tonight, then I don't know what else to say other than you have to open your eyes and look beyond the impressive stats. That isn't all that wins a basketball game.

For example, Rondo's amazing save in throwing the ball off of a Hawk player when we failed to inbound the ball in time was another one of those plays that don't show up in a stat sheet.

Check this out for a moment, please.

9:00   Ryan Hollins blocks Josh Smith's 8-foot jumper   65-72   
8:59       65-72   Kevin Garnett defensive rebound
8:41       65-74   Kevin Garnett makes 10-foot two point shot (Paul Pierce assists)



0:42       79-78   Kevin Garnett misses 4-foot jumper
0:42       79-78   Ryan Hollins offensive rebound
0:42   Al Horford personal foul (Ryan Hollins draws the foul)   79-78   
0:42   Boston full timeout
0:42       79-78   Ray Allen enters the game for Avery Bradley
0:42       79-78   Brandon Bass enters the game for Ryan Hollins
0:30       79-80   Kevin Garnett makes 13-foot two point shot (Ray Allen assists)

We likely lose this game without these huge plays. And the rest of the amazingly helpful things he did in this game that led to bad Hawks offensive possessions, or prevented them from having as good a shot as they would normally have gotten otherwise are a pretty big deal. The Hawks were taking the shots we wanted them to take while Hollins was in there. That means something. There were many possessions where the Hawks wasted out the shot clock because Hollins was such a [dang] nuisance smothering them. They had plans to get into their offensive sets much sooner, but there were quite a few important possessions where they just couldn't, and it was largely because of what Hollins was doing.

And that Josh Smith block. He just started out his shot in such horrible position, and that was because so much time on the clock had been wasted due to Hollins' pressure.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2012, 01:56:41 AM »

Offline xmuscularghandix

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Hollins did a great job of being in help defense and altering shots. It also looked like, while he didn't get many himself, he boxed out well enough to really help his teammates secure easier rebounds.

Stiemsma is a great shot blocker, but Hollins really does a great job of moving his feet and covering up mistakes... hell he got stuck out on the perimeter a few times and did a real nice job, even against JJ a few times.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2012, 02:12:57 AM »

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Hollins plays well with Garnett on the floor as PF

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2012, 02:18:25 AM »

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Hollins sucked this entire series. He isnt a good basketball player, hes just tall.

Post-game KG and Rondo refused to even answer a question about Ryan Hollins play. They know hes bad and its an insult to even mention his name.
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Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2012, 03:04:51 AM »

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Can't wait to see the Sixers Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ting their pants facing Hollins next series! They are in big trouble.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2012, 04:01:10 AM »

Offline LarBrd33

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if you want to know how majorly Horford impacted this series and exposed our size... just look at the fact Ryan Hollins even got any minutes.  Scary, scary situation.  Had Horford been 100% from the start of this series, I'm not so sure we win.  We snuck out alive thanks to a godlike performance from team MVP, Kevin Garnett. 

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2012, 05:56:22 AM »

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I was there tonight. Who almost lost the game for us? Bass on the defensive end. He has no idea on the rotations and is consistently burned (and benched for it). Not a smart player.
many times during the series bass didn't rotate \ he's an upgrade over davis in many ways but i think we should be looking at upgrading pf spot next season

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2012, 06:51:23 AM »

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UBUNTU. It does not matter whether you are the star or the 6th man or the 7th man or the 10th man. When your name is called upon, you step up to the plate and you do your best. Egos are gone the moment you step into the locker room.

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2012, 07:26:38 AM »

Offline mctyson

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I will give Hollins credit for effort, and some rebounding, which again is effort.  But his defense is much worse than Stiemer's, and Hollins is an automatic turnover or blocked shot on offense.

What he needs to develop is a quick catch-and-turn hook shot, from within 10 feet.  Just put it up at the rim.  Don't dribble, don't drop step, don't pump fake. 

Re: Give Ryan Hollins some credit.
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2012, 07:51:08 AM »

Offline scaryjerry

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LOL what?

Credit for what? Not completely blowing the series?

Helping win the game by rebounding the ball at the end...Playing solid D...Being the best C on the team after joining just a few weeks ago.

Well he got 2 rebounds in 18 minutes. That is pathetic. He is 7'0". I'm not going to give him credit for getting 1 rebound.

And Steimsma, KG, and even Sean Williams are much better centers than him.

The only thing Hollins has going for him is that he is athletic. The problem is being athletic doesn't make up for having 0 skill what so ever.

Sean williams really? you lose all credibility and are wrong anyways..Holllins defense wasnt horrible, and he contributed to winning the series, period