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why do people still complain about our rebounding?
« on: May 09, 2012, 09:11:23 AM »

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I don't get how fans of the Celtics still complain about our rebounding after losses. This team does not win and lose because of rebounding so why even bring it up? I understand once in a while if we get absolutely destroyed on the boards or if we are giving little effort but shouldn't every one just accept the fact that we are a terrible rebounding team.

Rebounding is probably the last thing we should be looking at on this team

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2012, 09:19:25 AM »

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss. 

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2012, 09:22:19 AM »

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss. 

Re: why do people still complain about our rebounding?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 09:23:31 AM »

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss. 

THIS.

No rebound = no possesion
No possesion = no points

That's why.

"The one controls the rebound controls the game." - Takenori Akagi
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 09:32:02 AM »

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss. 

Only 12 points? That's really not that bad, how many second chance points did we have? What was it a differential of 6? For a horrific rebounding team that's awesome IMO.

What we should be concerned about are the things we usually do well with that we did poorly. Not the poor things that we always do poor

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 09:33:25 AM »

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss. 

THIS.

No rebound = no possesion
No possesion = no points

That's why.

"The one controls the rebound controls the game." - Takenori Akagi

So we only controlled 5 games this year haha.

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss.  

Only 12 points? That's really not that bad, how many second chance points did we have? What was it a differential of 6? For a horrific rebounding team that's awesome IMO.

What we should be concerned about are the things we usually do well with that we did poorly. Not the poor things that we always do poor


In a game decided by 1 point, 6 points makes a difference.  



Now I am not saying "the Celtics lost because of rebounding". 


But it clearly has a negative effect on last nights outcome. 

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 10:15:15 AM »

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss.  

Only 12 points? That's really not that bad, how many second chance points did we have? What was it a differential of 6? For a horrific rebounding team that's awesome IMO.

What we should be concerned about are the things we usually do well with that we did poorly. Not the poor things that we always do poor


In a game decided by 1 point, 6 points makes a difference.  



Now I am not saying "the Celtics lost because of rebounding". 


But it clearly has a negative effect on last nights outcome. 

Well there were 100 things that effected it. Every miss every turnover. I just don't think for this team it correlates to winning at all. How have the other games gone this series?

It's pretty much the only thing we can't so well and no one should expect us to do well. We are going to lose the rebounding battle in wins and losses so unless people are really proving that it's a main reason for us losing than I think it is far down on the list of things to complain about

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss. 

Only 12 points? That's really not that bad, how many second chance points did we have? What was it a differential of 6? For a horrific rebounding team that's awesome IMO.

What we should be concerned about are the things we usually do well with that we did poorly. Not the poor things that we always do poor

I mean no disrespect, but you're not getting it.

When a team rebounds poorly, not only do they limit their chances on offense, they give th opponent more chances to score. From there it's simple.

You dont have the ball, you don't score. Therefore, you dont win
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 10:37:46 AM »

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12 2nd chance points because of offensive rebounding last night.



That is an issue that helps lead to a loss. 

Only 12 points? That's really not that bad, how many second chance points did we have? What was it a differential of 6? For a horrific rebounding team that's awesome IMO.

What we should be concerned about are the things we usually do well with that we did poorly. Not the poor things that we always do poor

I mean no disrespect, but you're not getting it.

When a team rebounds poorly, not only do they limit their chances on offense, they give th opponent more chances to score. From there it's simple.

You dont have the ball, you don't score. Therefore, you dont win

No its not that simple. Whoever rebounds the ball more doesn't necessarily win.

The Celtics were the worst rebounding team in the league and they managed a few wins.

Im honestly more annoyed about our 90% free throw shooter missing a free throw. Cause I would bet a lot of money that Ray has a better chance of making a free throw than us winning the rebounding battle.

But I get that its an easy stat to point at and fun to complain about. It

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 10:44:35 AM »

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I don't get how fans of the Celtics still complain about our rebounding after losses. This team does not win and lose because of rebounding so why even bring it up? I understand once in a while if we get absolutely destroyed on the boards or if we are giving little effort but shouldn't every one just accept the fact that we are a terrible rebounding team.

Rebounding is probably the last thing we should be looking at on this team
When you lose games that you should have won, and are already fairly consistent and productive with your offense, (and the other things you do well), then you look at the things you do poorly, and try to improve them.

That's just Hoops 101, and good common sense. Rebounding is one of the first things we should be addressing, because we are giving our opponents way too many second and third chances to score on their possessions.

So while we do not win or lose on our rebounding alone, it is a huge part of what's wrong when we do lose, and it needs improving.

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I don't get how fans of the Celtics still complain about our rebounding after losses. This team does not win and lose because of rebounding so why even bring it up? I understand once in a while if we get absolutely destroyed on the boards or if we are giving little effort but shouldn't every one just accept the fact that we are a terrible rebounding team.

Rebounding is probably the last thing we should be looking at on this team
If we rebound the ball better, we get more chances to score ourselves and take away second chance opportunities for the other team, no?
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 11:37:37 AM »

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Rebounding the ball is one of the easiest things to address if done poorly. (provided you have the bodies to do it)

This team can put effort into positioning, boxing out, and hustling for the ball off the glass. I've seen them do it. See the historic comeback over Orlando this year as a prime example; where they finished great defensive possessions with solid defensive rebounding.

If the celtics keep losing focus and fail to follow the basic principles of rebounding, they will be another second round out this year. Simple as that.


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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2012, 11:49:28 AM »

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I don't get how fans of the Celtics still complain about our rebounding after losses. This team does not win and lose because of rebounding so why even bring it up? I understand once in a while if we get absolutely destroyed on the boards or if we are giving little effort but shouldn't every one just accept the fact that we are a terrible rebounding team.

Rebounding is probably the last thing we should be looking at on this team
When you lose games that you should have won, and are already fairly consistent and productive with your offense, (and the other things you do well), then you look at the things you do poorly, and try to improve them.

That's just Hoops 101, and good common sense. Rebounding is one of the first things we should be addressing, because we are giving our opponents way too many second and third chances to score on their possessions.

So while we do not win or lose on our rebounding alone, it is a huge part of what's wrong when we do lose, and it needs improving.

Striving for excellence in basketball means having a complete and balanced team, turning what's a detriment into a strength, and refining what's not into something even better.




Yes we have bad rebounding. At this point in the season I don't think its for lack of effort or lack of coaching. I think we just don't have guys who can rebound well and we start a 6'7" guy at power forward.

IMO we have a lot better chance of limiting dumb turnovers and should be able to run a much better offense.

If people are expecting us to rebound well you will be disappointed. Unless we get slaughtered on the boards just expect to lose the rebounding battle every game.

People make it seem like we've shown flashes of being a good rebounding team which we haven't, we've been awful. We need to maximize our strengths because we are not going to turn into a good rebounding team.

Its a bonus if we do well in rebounding just like its a bonus when the Sixers hit 3's.

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2012, 12:01:43 PM »

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I don't get how fans of the Celtics still complain about our rebounding after losses. This team does not win and lose because of rebounding so why even bring it up? I understand once in a while if we get absolutely destroyed on the boards or if we are giving little effort but shouldn't every one just accept the fact that we are a terrible rebounding team.

Rebounding is probably the last thing we should be looking at on this team
When you lose games that you should have won, and are already fairly consistent and productive with your offense, (and the other things you do well), then you look at the things you do poorly, and try to improve them.

That's just Hoops 101, and good common sense. Rebounding is one of the first things we should be addressing, because we are giving our opponents way too many second and third chances to score on their possessions.

So while we do not win or lose on our rebounding alone, it is a huge part of what's wrong when we do lose, and it needs improving.

Striving for excellence in basketball means having a complete and balanced team, turning what's a detriment into a strength, and refining what's not into something even better.




Yes we have bad rebounding. At this point in the season I don't think its for lack of effort or lack of coaching. I think we just don't have guys who can rebound well and we start a 6'7" guy at power forward.

IMO we have a lot better chance of limiting dumb turnovers and should be able to run a much better offense.

If people are expecting us to rebound well you will be disappointed. Unless we get slaughtered on the boards just expect to lose the rebounding battle every game.

People make it seem like we've shown flashes of being a good rebounding team which we haven't, we've been awful. We need to maximize our strengths because we are not going to turn into a good rebounding team.

Its a bonus if we do well in rebounding just like its a bonus when the Sixers hit 3's.
I wasn't implying that we've shown flashes of being a good rebounding team ... we are not a good rebounding team, but that's exactly why we need to address it more.

Athletes with the talents our players have are certainly capable of being a good rebounding team, but we will never get close without attending to it more. Weaknesses are what you work on first-and-foremost, that's an essential element of all sports, and if you don't do so, you're just preparing yourself for failure.

Ignoring a detriment and weakness is just plain foolishness, and not what this team is about. Being the best you can be does not include ignoring your worst assets ... it means giving those weaknesses the most attention.

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